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  • I understand you point.

    I once ran a game for a player that went Malkavian with multiple personalities with expectation that it would be an additional free power of sorts. Sometimes it would be little things, like if they failed a roll to know something, they might switch "personalities" to get a free reroll. Things like that. Granted, this was from that start, before they even really even really got to show their different personalities, which seemed infinite.

    It really came to a head when the character was beaten into Torpor, amd fully expected to switch...
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  • Personally, my take is that Saulot really was the "saint", and while it is true he/his Clan did not recieve a Curse from Caine for the slaying of the 2nd Gen, he was still under the curse of "eating ashes", which is to say that undeath twists everything. No matter how much he tried to avert it, through Golconda, though Obeah/Valeren, through removing himself, first through Torpor, then by death, then through becoming someone else (Tremere), everything was still tainted.

    He could not save his Clan. All of his works was irrevocably tainted by lies, even the masters...
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  • My understanding is that it was primarily the Warriors, (specifically the extremists) that hated the Salubri during and after the Crusades, sort of lumping them in with the rest of the European invaders and keeping a grudge.
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  • So, is it correct to say, within the context of the Road, an action suiting your purpose does not make failing to "kill someomne when it is in your intetests" ok, this time?

    V20's version is a bit generic I think, (making it a bit difficult to argue specifics), with Revised's showing punishment (by death) being highly encouraged to show others what failure means.
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  • So, I looked a little bit into it, and HIV can be found to still be active in blood and even corpses sometimes up to around 2 weeks. About 5 or 6 with room temperature blood, and longer with warming and other conditions. I was thinking of some other virus dying in a day or two earlier and assuming it was fairly universal.

    So, with all that being said, and considering that Kindred both generally have less blood, no blood flow, and loose blood, (nightly and by using powers), maybe up to a week might be a better estimate, based on what virus, and the overall variations on blood in...
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  • In an episode of Heroes, they tried to cut back on one of the characters powers (fast healing, and specificaly that sharing blood with another would heal them as well), by saying that the tumor would effectively be healed too, making it ultimately fail. Just my personal opinion, but that sounds Fing stupid.

    Granted, it is not in any rules I'm familiar with one way or the other, but, I don't like it. A rare, specifically supernatural disease or curse, maybe. But a Flu Ghoul, stupid. Again, personal opinion only.

    Boiling yourself, if it included every single part of you...
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  • From my point of view, the absolute lack of anything particularly meaningful from White Wolf, (we get an image, and a pretty uninspiring one at that as the biggest news and two rather uninspiring/incomplete playtests that show just about nothing pertinent), does not speak well for all of these so called big plans.

    It actually kind of reminds me of how 4th Ed D&D tried to garner love. Trash talked prior editions, made all sorts of promises about both returning the game to its roots and finding ways to fix past issues, and would be the end all, be all of gaming. They had similar...
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  • It is really hard to say at this point. Nearly every thing I have heard has been overwelmingly negative, and unhopeful about V5, with two exceptions. Non-WoD fans and primarily LARP fans seem to be rather impressed, as are folks that prefer rules-lite or no rules systems.

    Outside of those, , most people are mot happy with so many different things, and it is not usually just one or two. However, and this is that grain of salt part, most of us tend to visit sites, talk to people, or whatever that think similarly to ourselves when it comes to things like this. Or post in forums that...
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  • I would say Elders are fairly common. In a typical Camarilla Domain, each major Clan probably has one or two that are still fairly active in local politics and social spheres. A Gangrel gather will have one, there is probably one that the Primogen get advice from, etc... If there are say 30 Kindted in a Domain, there are probably something like 2-5 Elders in there, too.

    For a Sabbat Domain, unless it is a major one, probably not. If they had made it that long, they have probably made it to a position where they can act more like a Methuselah, and remain well hidden, or more likely...
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  • The problem becomes how exactly does one fall from the Path. Normally, excuses, rationalizations, and not caring about breaking a rule means you drop. Here, if we assume there is a caveat of "it suits my interests" that makes it ok, how can anyone ever possibly Degenerate?

    It is, in my opinion, like trying to argue one should not lose Humanity for attempting to randomly murdering someone who turns out to be a child molester or something later, "because it all worked out in the end" and you prevented more harm or killing or whatever. But, that is exactly what the...
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    replied to Keepers or Fiends?
    In my personal opinion, I would say the Tzimisce. Sort of. For all their pomp and rhetetic, and despite it sort of being their entire Clan's thing, it is the Tzimisce, and not the Lasombra that have mastered the entire power behind the throne thing. They let the Lasombra take most of the positions of power they really don't care too much about while effectively putting targets on their heads, while the Tzimisce focus more on less prestigious positions such as priest which can direct the entire course of the Sect and Pack. The Lasombra have the most obvious power in the Sect, sure, but it is probably...
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  • The problem I have with this sort of thinking is that rationalization is exactly what Degeneration of a Path represents.

    Paths are not, and should not be viewed as "easy mode", (to be honest, a large reason I have never really liked Power and the Inner voice, and a few others). Even if it worked out to your benefit, you acted in ways that contradicted some core tenets of the path, (allowing an inferior to not be punished either visibly or harshly immediately, showing weakness, and failing to kill when it is in your intetests). Followers of Power and Inner Voice should punish...
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  • It really depends. The relationship between Assamite and Salubri, and Saulot and Haqim has changed pretty significantly over editions, mainly related to 2nd Eds push to go very bleak and make everyone dark.

    In the various Dark Ages writeups, Wolves at the Door, Road to Heaven, etc... generally indicate that the Assamites/Haqim almost always excluded the Salubri/Saulot from their mission because they respected them, and of all of the Damned, only they had not fallen, been cursed, or been found unworthy.

    The first and only conflict really came during the Crusades, and even...
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    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    Im sorry. That is just,.... (see Im going to do all caps, too), FUCKING STUPID.

    But, ALMOST bonus points for trying to twist my words.
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  • I mean, most diseases, I wouldnt imagine, could actually survive in a Kindred host for very long.

    Generally, I would say as long as said Kindred did not feed for a 24 hour day or three, and did not otherwise exchange bodily fluids such as creating Ghouls, the normal disease would simply die off on it's own, and "cure" the Cainite. No Ghoul Virus BS.

    As far as the Health Levels, I generally play it so that Bashing and Lethal will never destroy you. It takes every Health box being Agg to kill a Kindred. If there is even one Bashing or Lethal, they go into Torpor,...
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  • Beckett
    replied to Changing Ways thoughts
    Im just not sure how you get that. Any of it really. The two tribes, as a whole, I would think most against rape would be the Children of Gaia and Bone Gnawers. Black Furies only as it applies to females.

    Neither Silver Fangs or Shadow Lords are particularly rapey. Things liked arranged marriage/coupling and politics, sure, probably.

    I get that you have a certain few of both feminism and the Black Furies you do not want tarnished, but that is just bias.

    And it is not really about having rape in the game, which to be honest, I see little need to have sex...
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  • I mean, in the sense it is a hastely translated artifact by two sources that totally have no bias, involves a seperate setting lore, and really the only indication it is talking about Saulot is because those NPCs say so.
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  • If I recall correctly, fighting the Wyrm, literally was exactly the thing that finally allowed it to break free and return to it's normal natural position in the Triat.
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  • I have always suspected Ur-Shulgi to be Baali. Who better to "break" the Tremere curse than the person who gave them the Baali curse to begin with? And what if it was never "broken" at all, but instead simply overriden by the Baali curse applied a second time, exactly like what the Tremere curse did.

    But honestly, the guy shows up just when the Baali are winning, an unknown neonate with charred black skin that is somehow already a expert Blood mage and turns the tide?

    His childer is pale, unlike every other Assamite.

    It alwaus just seemed...
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  • Personally, I find the Revised Ed rules to be the best overall, even if you do not like the metaplot direction it goes with. Revised tried to show it was ok to break the mold a bit as far as Clans not being so universal, but each having pretty strong histories, traditions, and lore.

    Much of the metaplot, (but not all), is not in the Core book, but things that are added in later books or novels.

    However, it is largely a matter of preference, and for a PbP, one of the factors you might need to consider is what Edition is most common around the digital table, so everyone...
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