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  • What was posted said preorder + PDF. I would assume the PDF will be available directly as well, but we won't know for sure til the order site goes up on Tuesday....
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  • It's pretty simple.
    1. Onyx Path doesn't have the money and resources to support full print runs. It costs a lot of money to print and house books, especially a book the size of V20, to satisfy what would be necessary for a store supply print run. They've stated as much in the past.
    2. Paradox/WW is requiring anything coming out based on Vampire to be based on Vampire 5th Edition. There's no reason for them to financially support the printing of an edition that is not going to line up with their BIG moneymaker, the video games that are coming out....
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    replied to I have no issues with V5!
    Low blood points meant you had extending varieties of Frenzy triggers. It had some roleplay stuff associated with it, but it was mainly about the Frenzy triggers....
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  • The Chronicle Tenets are meant to be designed in a way that supports the playstyle of the chronicle being run. It talks about this in the section in the book. A Humanist chronicle where lives matter and the vampires balk at killing might have 'Don't kill except in self-defense' while a street war mafia John Wick-style game might have other tenets that don't apply to killing because, well, killing is a thing that you have to do. This should've been something discussed when the group was designing the Tenets for your chronicle.

    There are also other ways that Stains can happen besides...
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  • elmerg
    replied to I have no issues with V5!
    I was responding to that guy who said 'hey it seems like it's based off Paradox mechanic, and feels like it validates Mage as the 'on true way' splat,' so I'm not sure why you're so torn up over articulating why Hunger was designed the way it was.

    And thanks for putting words in my mouth about 'selective on how you apply the rules'. I'm curious as to where you're getting that from my comment on Hunger there, anyway.

    I was commenting on how Frenzy was, generally, the only tangible way the Beast manifested in prior editions; a few powers that manipulated it, sure, but were...
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  • elmerg
    replied to I have no issues with V5!
    The point of HUnger isn't to 'mimic Paradox' though. It's to represent the Beast's aspect in the Vampire, to match how the Masquerade fiction was already written, but the mechanics never backed up. You only really ever dealt with the Beast when you Frenzied, which was often easily avoidable....
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  • If you don't have access to the book, perhaps you should get the book before you start to run the game.

    That aside, the book doesn't really talk about a lessening of sexual attraction, but it's implied that it's less important as your Humanity wanes.. But the sexuality of characters is just that... their sexuality. They can be asexual, gay, bi, trans, whatever. It's not related to their Humanity in any manner, really.

    The big thing is that actual, physical sex is less of a thing for vampires in general, and Humanity has some mentions of if the vampire can have actual...
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  • elmerg
    replied to V5 Player's Guide ETA?
    They will, from what we know. They'll have a writeup in the vein of the core book (so four or five pages of their clan basics) and some Oblivion powers focused on the Necromancy side and Oblivion Ceremonies focused on the same. We won't get anything in the depth of what they will be in the Cults of the Blood Gods book, which will cover more of their foundation, history, etc. in a lot more detail. But the playable part of them will be.

    The only ones said that won't be in there will be the Ravnos and potentially the Old Clan (because of writing fuckups). Unless there's been ANOTHER...
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  • elmerg
    replied to V5 + Other WoD Games
    Well, it IS a vampire book. The point there is to provide framework for working on those things if they come up as antagonists. It's not like a core book is going to write a section that requires you to have six other books (many of which haven't even been planned yet).

    And just because the mechanics use V5 material, doesn't mean you have to ignore the other supernaturals' setting and such. You can still write up an NPC Homid Shadow Lord or an NPC Seelie Sidhe of House Scathach or a Son of Ether. It's just sensible to write them up using V5 mechanics and fluff the mechanics in roleplay/descriptive...
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  • BUT THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME 20,000 WORDS OF MINUTIAE ABOUT IT IN THE CORE BOOK THEREFOR IT IS JETTISONED!

    Or at least that seems to be the logic everytime someone bitches about V5's core not directly addressing all of BJD....
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  • elmerg
    replied to V5 Player's Guide ETA?
    Oh noes, I have to buy books! THE HORROR!

    To be honest, it's probably due to the writing consistency more than anything else. But yeah. I'd rather just delay until they work out the writing and mechanics fumble than just not include them....
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  • We've already been told that 'no, V5's PG and further books won't revert those types of things' by the devs. For the PG, the things they've talked about are alternate rules and ways to tweak the standard playstyle, and rules ot use in conjunction with, not replace, the rules in the core book....
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  • We've already been told that 'no, V5's PG and further books won't revert those types of things' by the devs. For the PG, the things they've talked about are alternate rules and ways to tweak the standard playstyle, and rules ot use in conjunction with, not replace, the rules in the core book....
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  • The timelines were always expected to be a placeholder. Many game companies don't do previews. Scenario and setting writers (which that guy is) often don't know 100% the rules (and fuck, even Jason Carl ignores/forgets rules from the book in LAbN).

    And hey, I'd rather have a Modiphius delay of 'oh we're waiting an additional 6 months' than an OPP 'three years later, still no nothing' delay....
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  • Yes, the can be. But Elders are more rare anyway (and not the default PC option, and if you're tracking every SPCs Hunger in minutiae outside of when they're 'on screen' and the dramatically appropriate times, I'm glad you enjoy paperwork), and often have setups in place (logically) to mitigate much of this. And instead of being 'stompy Juggernaut powerhouses throwing Disicplines left, right and center' like people portray them when most players talk about Elders in this fandom, the Elders should play the Jyhad, like the books portray them. Acting from the shadows, through intermediaries, Influence...
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  • EDIT: The forum double posted my reply for some reason....
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  • elmerg
    replied to V5 Player's Guide ETA?
    I don't forsee that being a thing, considering the problematic nature of doing racial-and-cultural divisions like that. Just give them Obfuscate, make an Amalgam that makes solid illusions (Obf/Fortitude, which keeps their original Discipline spread mainly intact) and call it a day....
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  • But... you don't have to kill someone every night. Hunger 1 is not anything. Averages will show the need to feed every three or so days without excessive Rousing, and that's not accounting for easy feeding like Herd.

    What, do you think every vampire is spending blood every ten seconds to buff their strength to lift their couch to find the TV remote? I mean, holy shit....
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  • The book explicitly states you can skip this way. You're still buying the fourth dot in a Discipline; you're just choosing to fill it with a lower level power. You can't fill it with a HIGHER level power though.

    Thankfully most powers scale with the Discipline level on their bonuses and such, so it's not a big deal....
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