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  • Irioth
    replied to Trolls and Oaths
    These seem good ideas. About the latter part of your examples, the 'quest' oaths, let's assume the character does fulfill one after a while, so the oath expires successfuly. Does it still count for Birthright purposes, or does the character have to swear a new one to keep their power? If the latter, does the character have some kind of grace period? Of course, since the Dreaming does not allow itself to be cheated, I'm assuming the character does not attempt to abuse their Birthright by swearing to do trivial quests....
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  • Irioth
    replied to Trolls and Oaths
    Purpose is fine. I'm just trying to puzzling out what kind of oath would be appropriate for them to find it by being the Knight Errant or Wandering Heroine rather than the Guardian/Enforcer of (X) and avoid being potentially bolted down to the same locale for an entire chronicle in order to fulfill an oath.



    That would be nice....
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  • Irioth
    started a topic Trolls and Oaths

    Trolls and Oaths

    A couple questions about trolls and oaths. First, let's assume there are a few troll characters that greatly fancy the nomad lifestyle (perhaps they have more than a little eshu in their natures) and as a result they really don't want to be tied down by swearing any oaths of guardianship, loyalty, protection, love, or friendship to local nobles or groups, fixed things, or people that don't share their lifestyle. Yet, they do wish to have some oaths, because their natures do drive them to that to feel fulfilled, and because they don't want to be perpetually locked out of their Birthright. Short...
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  • Irioth
    replied to It's out!
    I mean being offered the sudden opportunity to indulge in something sensual very appealing to you, such as an extremely charming and sexy person of your preferred gender trying to seduce or fascinate you, would change the way someone usually thinks/acts, since it would make the person less willing and able to deny the opportunity than usual, yet it wouldn't diminish the person's free will....
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  • Irioth
    replied to C20 Backer PDF errata thread
    I think the problem people may have with this birthright is they mistakenly equate it with being roofied or made drunk against their will, which IMO goes against the intent of the authors. I prefer to equate it with being presented with the opportunity to indulge in an incredibly appealing sensual stimulus. Think of an incredibly sexy and charming person of the gender you find attractive walking up to you, with the food you most fancy in the world, and the music you prefer playing. In normal conditions, the temptation to indulge would be overwhelming, yet if the person truly wants to, they can...
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  • Irioth
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    So does being faced with an incredibly charming/seductive person putting the moves on you. I think the consent problem certain people have with this power is because they apply the IMO wrong analogy to it, of being made drunk/drugged. I prefer to apply the analogy of being presented with the opportunity to indulge in an extremely tempting sensual stimulus. ....
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  • I understand the word-count problem, really. My own is the Dark-kin rules in C20 for physical manifestation/incarnation or possession of mortals and dealing with Banality read fuzzy and sketchy to the point of being hardly playable, and their equivalents in Denizens of the Dreaming different enough to be hardly compatible and usable....
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  • Irioth
    replied to It's out!
    As human psychology goes, the inhibitions being shut down here usually have little to do with reasoning ability, and much more with shyness, insecurity, internalized social expectations of restraint, second-guessing, and the like. Prudishness and social anxiety =/= rationality....
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  • Irioth
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    The way I read the c20 version of Gift of Pan, and the statements about it of the writer, it looks to me much less like magic people into being drunk/drugged, and much more like magic them into exposure to concentrated amounts of really, really good porn, wine, food, music, drugs, or whatever may represent a proper sensual temptation. As in, shoving the stuff under their nose. If there isn't any potential interest at all for the stuff lurking in their minds, they won't be affected. If there is any, an inner battle is going to take place between the passionate and temperate sides of their psyches,...
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  • Irioth
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    In such a case, I suppose the most honest thing to do would be to houserule kiths such as satyrs, sidhes, and aonides entirely out of existence, rather than erasing or crippling their signature abilities. Because I don't think their powers could be reasonably done much less potentially abusable than the way Gift of Pan has been written in this edition. And the whole point of these archetypes is to be charming, seductive social gods that are very, very good at leading/influencing people into passion or obedience. Even so, if you ban or cripple social-god kiths you are simply kicking the can down...
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  • Irioth
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    To be fair, the C20 writeup of the Gift of Pan explictly states it does not create any new and extraneous compulsion in the subject's psyche, it just awakens and gives a big boost to the person's own dormant urges. Even the failure at the resistance roll that still seems to disturb you is explictly explained as the lusty/passionate/gluttonous side of the subject's psyche winning the inner battle with the prudish/shy/temperate side. It is not really different from being exposed to a concentrated dose of really good porn, revelry-inducing music, or food and failing to resist the urge to indulge...
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  • Irioth
    replied to C20 Backer PDF errata thread
    Faerie Eternity, p. 186: "As long as your fae seeming is active, you will age at one-tenth that of a normal human or changeling and remain a childling". Since in C20 Seemings are supposed to be a reversible/switchable preferred mental/spiritual condition for changelings rather than a strict reflection of their physical age, for all characters with this Merit to be forced in the same Seeming just seems wrong. After all, in this edition you may easily have 50-year-old Childlings and 12-year-old Grumps. On the other hand, the price tag for the Merit feels just right.

    Preventing...
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  • Irioth
    replied to It's out!
    As a big fan of generalist, freeform use of magic that greatly appreciated the DA:F system, I welcome C20 Unleashing as a serious step in the right direction in comparison to the terribly messy and static 2e way of doing things. Besides adding a much-welcome dose of Mage-style flexibility in supposed-to-be-dynamic fae magic, it makes investment in low-rating scores in multiple Arts much more sensible and valuable, since it opens up those Arts to possible Unleashing use. Provided you are willing to accept significant side effects and consequences for your feats of wild magic, rolling more successes...
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  • Very true, and apparently valid in C20 as well. As far as I can tell, the main difference from 2e in this regard is prolonged exposure to the Dreaming only wipes out permanent Banality as long as you stay there - on the other hand, its shedding occurs somewhat more quickly than before. As of now, quests are the only reliable thing to shed permaNality; then again, heroic Deeds seem far from difficult to find in the Dreaming, if not exactly easy to accomplish. If one is careful never to let one's Banality score much higher than the default 3, to minimize it to 1 and keep it there seems not that...
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  • Much like Vampire Golconda, they are mentioned, but given a semi-mythical status, with no stats, rules for achievement, or guidelines to play one. IIRC, one of the leaders of House Danann is an eshu that is heavily rumored to be a Siochain....
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  • Irioth
    started a topic Faerie Longevity for C20 Changelings

    Faerie Longevity for C20 Changelings

    Let's review a subject much dear to my heart, namely PC coming as close to immortality as possible, under the C20 lens. Let's assume we have a few characters that come to the conclusion the slow decay, loss, and ending of old age, Banality, and mortal death is a loathsome fate to be avoided by all means necessary (in comparison, Bedlam is still bad and to be avoided if possible, but less fearsome a fate), and this Changeling Way stuff of reincarnating in mortal bodies wasn't such a good idea after all. So by C20 conditions, this means they should:

    - have the Faerie Eternity Merit,...
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  • Incarnation and Banality for C20 Dark-Kin

    Well, I understand wordcount limitations for the corebook all too well, but I was under the distinct impression that all the faerie breeds included in the corebook (Kithain, Gallain, Inanimae, Thallain, and Dark-Kin) were intended to be playable. Yet, I find the rules for the Dark-Kin to operate in the Autumn World and deal with Banality sketchy to the point of being hardly usable for PC. Can someone explain in a bit more depth how possessing mortals or physically manifesting as incarnate spirits work for them, and how they deal with Banality if they do so?
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  • Irioth
    replied to C20 Backer PDF errata thread
    Wrath of Kali Ma (p. 391): "naraka have a partial immunity to fire; this damage type is never reduced to bashing and is at -1 difficulty to soak". I suppose this rule actually meant to say the damage is always reduced to bashing, otherwise it makes no sense....
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  • Irioth
    replied to C20 Backer PDF errata thread
    The rules for Freehold creation (p. 314-15) imply at Step Four a certain amount of permanent Glamour needs to be sacrificed (from personal Glamour, Chimera, or Treasures) to stabilize a balefire, but they never actually state the required amount.
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  • Irioth
    replied to C20 Backer PDF errata thread
    Animalistic Favor (p.187) says "your mien possesses a minor animalistic feature from the below table", but the table is actually on p. 185.
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