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  • Edition wars are a thing with every new edition of just about every game. So, its actually pretty common for people to want a new edition of a game they like to fail. Its a whole thing tied into resource distribution and human beings naturally wired to see threats to one's resources as enemies. New editions are a threat to the status quo, and if you like the old game, its a direct threat to things you want to engage in, by drawing people away from the game you want.

    There's whole studies about violence in schools that started over integration, and spiraled into racial conflict. It...
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  • Well, the original author apparently wanted to include Chechnya to draw attention to the issue, and not spark a lawsuit, but... The entire thing is strange.
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  • The section on Chechnya in the Cam book supposedly outraged the actual government of Chechnya and prompted a public lawsuit in an international court. I don't know how true it is, since everything I heard was third hand; I could be entirely wrong.

    Once re-edited, the books went back up for sale, but that might not include those items still "sold out." The entire situation around those is just weird....
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  • You're seeing it now, you just aren't believing it.
    Revised was basically the end of Masquerade for a long time, and we've seen writers mention that we transitioned into Requiem primarily because Revised wasn't doing very well....
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  • I wouldn't particularly call that a measure of success, given the controversy surrounding the Anarch/Camarilla books; I believe that White Wolf was even sued over the issue, which is what eventually led to Paradox basically eating White Wolf and "restructuring" the old writer group out and giving the job to Morpheus.

    Anyways, the original Anarch/Cam books were basically dumped, everything put on Sold Out status until the books got re-edited and fixed, then re-released. Its likely the limited stuff is just perma-sold out as a result of the fixing up....
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  • Define "success" because I've heard some rather promising talk about actually selling more units than Vtm 2nd, simply by virtue of the larger market available to Paradox and Morpheus.

    and with access to new mediums and properties to expand into... success seems highly likely....
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  • Huh. Good to know. Thanks....
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  • Not a surprise there. Between the upcoming game, the LA by Night show, and the very good sales (apparently it was selling good even in dead tree format), the game seems to be relatively popular. Its no D&D 5e, but I think it might have the potential up in the top 5, after PF and D&D.
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  • MCN
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    While "independent" might not be a general sect, I think that rejecting the three Sects could be an option. Assuming that Sabbat is an option at all - the current books seem more "shovelhead-y" Sabbat than anything worth looking at, but the game might change that. Granted, we might also have a switch of direction with OPP and Morpheus taking over the writing now, but so far we only have Cam and Anarch as sect options, so I'm not really sure that video game will include a Sabbat option.

    Missed this before, but wanted to point it out. Thin Blood of any clan can...
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  • MCN
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    She mentioned "the Pyramid" when talking about her organization, and wears something mimicking an alchemical symbol. House Carnae is more neo-pagan and rejects the Pyramid. So, I kind of doubt it.

    Though, there seems to be some voice versus text differences there - the actual text said "my organization" while the voice said "the Pyramid." So, it could have been a mistake. And not like the necklace is any strong indication of anything. She just doesn't give a Carnae vibe at all to me....
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  • That sounds like we're starting to get into white room scenarios. I don't feel that's best with moving, flexible targets that don't react the same way as solid matter to the concussive force. As well, there's the cinematic involved - what makes the best for the story, in a way that doesn't force you to come up with entirely new rule systems for it? I mainly picked +5 because it is stronger than a shotgun, and V5 seems to be a game that likes capping things out at 5 or 10. Given the weapon chart, I feel its best to consider weapons capping out at +5, given that the listed weapons only go up to...
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  • The Masquerade has never been about the public at large knowing. To quote the Traditions - "Thou shall not reveal thy true nature to those not of the Blood. Doing such shall renounce thy claims of Blood." The Masquerade has always been primarily focused on individuals.

    If you want to run things differently, don't let me stop you, but the book seems to be pretty clear that they're not focused on mass public exposure being the only kind of Masquerade breach.

    The Technocracy, as fellow supernaturals, is kind of a grey area. Vampires, werewolves, mages all know...
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  • Umm... the second inquisition IS the broken masquerade. They're the direct result of the Masquerade being broken.to the kine. Vampires hide who they are for the specific reason to avoid the appearance of well funded and powerful slayers ganging up on them.

    The Masquerade isn't just the public. Its individuals, government channels, and more. Its pretty much every mortal anywhere.

    If there are mortals out there with knowledge of vampires, and aren't under the direct control of said vampires (ie blood bonded), then said mortals are a Masquerade break.

    Deciding...
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  • Well, you asked about grenades and rockets, which encompass a wide variety of explosives and power. Getting hit directly with a rocket launcher is going to put a very bad dent in anyone, vampire or not. A more traditional frag grenade will do less damage.

    That said, I find I have to disagree with LastCourier. V5's rule system doesn't really work with AoE effects like that - there's still contested rolls to consider. As well, a shotgun blast at close range only has a +4 damage modifier. I would suggest that a rocket gets a +5 modifier, in that case. Both should shred someone at...
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  • MCN
    replied to Frost and Vampires
    I fail to see why the undead should be stopped by something as silly as heat or cold. There are lots of stories of undead beings who actively thrive in inhospital conditions....
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  • Part of the appeal of the Nosferatu is the inhuman looks, in my opinion; there's more than a few that look like zombies from the Walking Dead. So, it does kind of fit for the Nosferatu here, though you can achieve the same effect through rising Generation / Blood Potency.

    Meanwhile, compare to the Toreador, who are basically Masquerade's version of a succubus or siren. The whole Ann Rice romantic vampire seducer. That's their archetype. As a vampire goes down in humanity, these vampires literally forget how to fulfill their archetype. They forget how to empathize or seduce humans,...
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  • Putting aside the rest of the comments - that's a political issue I don't think anyone here really wants to get into and is way off topic - self defense is more than just a legal defense. It is very much a psychological bulwark as well; it became commonly accepted into law across the world because of that sociological and psychological impact. And psychological bulwarks very much do matter to Humanity.

    And, yeah, this may completely surprise you, but guess what? The Beast does "care" about legal defenses, in so much as a projection of one's psyche that's used as a coping...
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  • Self defense does let you get away with a lot. However, there is the need to make sure it actually is self defense - no one is required to take you at your word that something is until an investigation is done. Imagine if two people claimed self-defense!

    Most of the time when it comes to police complaints, I notice a lot of them lack the perspective that the police are laboring under. They show up, after the fact, and see two people that are injured, both claiming self-defense. You're allowed to draw and use a weapon if you fear that someone punching you could cause serious bodily...
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  • MCN
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    Thin-blood!

    After the one-third mark, however, I'm probably going to try out a Bruja, a Tremere and a Malkavian, in that order, based on their discipline spread. I'm not certain there's a difference in the game beyond disciplines and bane, though, so I'm just going with good discipline spreads followed by an Anarch type, a Camarilla type and a middle type....
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  • I think that CTP does get it, but, rather, is making a deliberate change to the setting because they want to explore different things. You know, a house rule.

    So, for the sake of the story, things are going to be different than what you're saying....
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