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  • Still, I would prefer something more balanced with the other games.

    Wraiths were treated like chumps, especially in Vampire, despite being rather powerful. I understand not wanting to limit the players of one game at the expense of others, but I don't mind crossovers. I really loved Wraith, but could never get the motivation from my old group for a full on game. It lead to us using Wraith to enhance our plots with other lines in the WoD....
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  • A major source of these issues was the early developer's efforts at trying so hard to be the polar opposite of Vampire. Out in the wilds, being more about living in tune with the planet's natural cycles, and addressing a lot of environmental and Native activism, and post-Cold War emergence of nationalism in the early 90s. Despite my love for all things science, I can say that the modern world has not benefited my people in many ways. We joke a lot that being Native in the 21st century is like living in the post-apocalypse for us. That part really resonated with me, along with making Native tribes...
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  • So is this like an update on the Hollow Ones?
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  • Onkwe
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    I'm glad they got rid of that too. We had such a collection of house rules I only read the basics of the new system. I was much more into reading the fluff, and seeing how they bridged the divide between 2E and Revised....
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  • Onkwe
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    That's why I tend to think there's a strong tendency for adepts playing the administrative rolls of the various mage factions. They get far enough a long on their path to attain a leadership positions, but get stuck transcending their paradigms, which leads to the ossification of mage society. Meanwhile the masters and archmasters (which there's not a lot of), tend to be off pushing the boundaries of paradigms. Not trying to imply they are above hubris, but their fixation on reaching the heights of magick leaves them unable to relate to their younger charges, let a lone the great mass of sleepers....
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  • Onkwe
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    I'll admit I'm more of a 2E guy myself, despite coming into the game in the 00s, but in defense of Revised it wasn't a conspiracy against people having bad wrong fun with Mage. I remember coming across a interview with (I think) Achilli, where he said he and other WW Dev's received lots of questions from players at where to begin with Mage. They felt it was too much of a big game and easy to be overwhelmed by the sheer diversity of options. So the goal of the Avatar Storm was to focus the game on its core issues.

    However, the edition for me and my group put us off because it wasn't...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    There's things I like about the Disparate Alliance. At least for me, a lot of the groups feel more complete and less like gamey artificial archetypes like some of the Traditions. I can feel the tension more as these groups would try and work together to achieve their goals. On the other hand, it does have a feel like an unneeded remix of a classic song. So I just haven't made up my mind about the concept yet.
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  • Onkwe
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    Maybe it was the general tone of the overall book, but I got more of a sense how the Hollowers lived on the fringes of both sleeper and mage society, and how that wasn't always a fun romantic thing. Yet they struggled against this reality by being 'beautifully weird' or however the Hollower narrator specifically put it. As someone who grew up poor and in a stereotypical American 'ghetto', I appreciated the very unromantic presentation of the setting the Hollowers contrasted themselves against. That said, in comparison to the trad book, I see what you mean, because it was much more direct about...
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  • I see the issue then. I thought the Bunyip arrived in Australia around the time the Dingos arrived. I also thought Dingos came with the Aboriginal populations, but Australian history is not my strongest area.

    In my head canon I'd probably have to lean toward they either mystically changed themselves or were changed into werethylacines, or never Garou to begin with if one didn't want to monkey with the timeline. If not it does lead to why the Uktena didn't just mate with South Americas Maned Wolf, let alone the issues raised about Coyotes or other canids across the globe....
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  • Onkwe
    replied to You Know What I Hate MK I
    Me and my friends getting into RPGs was our way of dealing with growing up in a shitty neighborhood. There were guns pulled, people stabbed and beaten pretty bad with things like chairs and locks at my schools. I had 'normalized' it long before high school too....
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  • Onkwe
    replied to The Problem With Hollow Ones
    I use to not care for Hollow Ones at first either, but I liked them after reading their Trad book and their chapter in the Orphans Survival Guide. IMO they were largely never explained well enough for a lot of people to grasp beyond 80s & 90s goth stereotypes....
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  • There's plenty of stories for lions, tigers, and jaguars.

    Jaguars are very powerful symbols of royalty, power, war, etc in Mesoamerica and further south. There's some rich tiger stories you can find in Southeast Asia. And for lions, check out the folklore of southeastern Africa.
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Wendigo technical problem
    Sorry. I didn't mean to sound like I was coming after you. I meant to directly address your quote and then went off on a general tangent.



    Kind of how I pictured it too. There was an understanding, and cooperation over major things, but not running around in formalized multi-fera packs like with the Hengoyaki.



    I had no idea such an animal existed....
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  • Onkwe
    replied to You Know What I Hate MK I
    I don't even know to feel about shootings anymore.

    It's like, nothing will happen, ever....
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Notable Changes in Wraith 20th
    Info on Stygia! That's cool.



    I never thought of it that way. I was probably be mixing Exalted's underworld metaphysics with WoD's....
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Trinity to Ascension conversion
    Do you think you could come up with some system hacks for the other games? I'd be willing to help in the limited fashion I can. I'd need to buy Scion or Trinity too....
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Wendigo technical problem
    Yep, the Uktena were driven out of central and southern Mexico by the supernatural actors that rose with the Aztecs. I would still say they're an issue in a lot of places why the Uktena and Wendigo never had much of reach there up to today. Also, in my own head canon, there was something like the Beast Courts/Ahadi in the Americas, which also included defining the ranges of Werewolf territory. Lingering deals from that era played a part in one of my games. Just with the break down after colonization, I could see some expansion if you down play the dying race aspect of the game.

    However,...
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  • Did the Bunyip come with the Aboriginal migrations to Australia? It's been a while since I read RAA. I just figured they could have came around the time the Dingo arrived.

    There's also the option of what they did to the Ajaba. Gaia could have changed them too from Garou to another breed, keeping them as werethylacines.




    This is part of the reason why I think Forsaken dropped Lupus. It solves a lot of the problems with these questions from a biological angle if shifters only come from human stock.

    At the same time, to not sound as I'm...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Wendigo technical problem
    It's just an option to show how they've also expanded their range like other tribes have, but still keeping with their theme. But yea, it seems a little odd, to say the least, to picture a Wendigo sept in say the Yucatan, but I could see them maybe taking kin among the Mapuche (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapuche) and other tribes that live in the Southern Cone of South America. It could also be very much a modern development since the Amazon War.




    I've never been for the whole "pure blooded Indian" requirement from previous editions. I'm sure you know...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Wendigo technical problem
    Personally I think think the Wendigo should span out across the Americas to protect more indigenous peoples as a whole. They feel the Uktena are neglecting Native peoples in South and Central America for their expansion to become a more global animist tribe.
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