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  • Onkwe
    replied to Spellcasting Revised
    So with internal reality, say a mage breaks their arm in the middle of the wilds on hike or something such as this. Then they do a Life effect to heal the bone. Would this be coincidental or vulgar without witness? Questions like this have come up a few times, and lead to many a headache.
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Bush of Ghosts
    Yeah, that's why I try not to be too much of a dick to WoD stuff.

    Looking at the overarching commonalities of the Bantu cultures would also be what I would do to get a general idea of how their society at large would be like, what their island(s) of stability in the Tempest would resemble (if they have them), how they view and even name arconi and other aspects of Wraith existence, etc. Then spread out from there to give local flavor and interpretation. Even in cannon they say the idea of a unified Dark Kingdom of Ivory is an illusion, which opens it up to have a variety of wraithly...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to News Fellowships
    Because then should I be able to use Spirit instead of mind for paradigms that don't see the separation of mind, body, and spirit; that different souls are responsible for different aspects what we consider the property of the mind? Or should we be able to use Life for cultures that view things as water and rocks as living beings the same as trees and animals? Or what about a more scientifically accurate paradigm where Matter effects would be used for what is considered governed by Forces?

    I mean no disrespect with the above questions, but the whole system falls apart when you approach...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Help me play a technocrat
    Oh yeah I agree. I remember there was some funny stuff written in the "Guide to the Technocracy", about how they didn't understand what the other mages were and didn't recognize they were the same thing. I thought it was really silly. So I prefer, as you said, they all know deep down they're the same thing, but they just do magick/enlightened science 'wrong'....
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Wraith 5?
    Like what Damien andadambeyoncelowe said, we used the maelstrom rules and other setting ideas introduced in Great War, just in a more contemporary way....
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  • We never felt restricted by the existence of elders of any kind or the larger factions and shadow nations among the supernaturals. The questions of why didn't King Albrect, Porthos, Leigh, one of the Death Lords, or Lucita not drop in to save the day instead of our player group never factored into the equation of our games. They only existed in so far as was needed for our stories. World building can be fun, but sometimes you want a setting ready to play in or at least serve as an example. Besides, to me at least, individual septs, vampire societies within individual cities, or chantries/contructs...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to News Fellowships
    My point was that we used the sphere system as mechanical abstractions instead of trying to figure out if a Progenitor would be allowed to use the Life sphere for Mind effects. Your suggestion could be the case, but we just assumed that the Technomancers long since chucked most of their Hermetic roots, including most of the IG interpretation of the sphere system. We haven't played Mage since before M20 came out, and I mean no offense to Brucato, but if we did ever get a game going we won't ever use the rules in HDYDT nor would I ever play in a game that partook in them. It's why I emphasize this...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Help me play a technocrat
    For the paradigm stuff, the books sadly contradict themselves at time, but the fact that Trad mages and Technocrats can be converted to the other side does mean they understand they’re doing something along the same lines. My group always decided the Technocrats see rival mages as doing superstitious, outdated, and dangerous forms of Enlightened Science. It also explains how they can justify their own history of the Order of Reason being often one step removed from the Traditions during the earliest years of the Ascension War.

    They’ve just refined their understanding of the universe...
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  • I might have to buy Scion or Trinity to have a look at its nuts and bolts then.

    I wouldn't claim to be any sort of expert on game engine design, but my group did cobble together this abomination of a system over the years. We had lots of fun using a modified mix of Exalted 2E's tick system and WoD Comabt for one example....
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  • Outside of their intended purpose, Apis are weird. The intended purposes the werebeasts were suppose to have are a nice touch for the setting. It keeps things from getting silly like in a lot of Urban Fantasy when thycanthropy gets taken too far.

    The were-orangutans were mentioned in 2nd edition too (the first edition I had). I remember one of my friends announced, after looking through the Fera section of the players guide, "Where the hell are the were-apes?"...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to News Fellowships
    My group solved this dilema of different interpretations of spheres vs the game mechanics by looking at specifically what effect the character wanted to accomplish. Then we looked at the appropriate sphere to match up the mechanics. In summery, the spheres in the magick section of Mage are mechanical abstractions.

    For example, let's say a Progenitor uses some phermonal spray to mess with a target's emotions. In the Technocracy's paradigm, emotions are a result of biological functions, however you wouldn't use Life for this effect. You would use Mind.

    Sure, this doesn't...
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  • If I recall correctly, the Minotaur legend in the WoD was suppose to be inspired by the last Apis....
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  • What about adopting thr Storypath system? I haven't read it directly, but I've heard nothing but praise so far....
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  • After what happened with V5 I'm a 100% certain too.



    I was speaking of metaplot in the WoD overall. Some gamelines are sufficated by it more than others. Like I enjoyed the way M20 gave tons of options, because Revised strangled you toward a few styles of play. While most of Werewolves' changes over the years came off more like emphisizing on different aspects of the setting over others or reforms of bad earlier decisions (like Fianna being all up in the Northern Ireland conflict, the Get being down with Neo-Nazis, the Uktena being Werewolf like Tremre/Hermetics instead...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Using Mind to possess animals
    Edit: missed the muti-tasking aspect. Never mind.
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Bush of Ghosts
    I would suggest doing research on actual African cultures and their views on ghosts and the afterlife, then find a way to combine this with the general metaphysics and cosmology of Wraith.

    Most of what WW developed for Africa and Asia, despite the best intentions, was very ignorant to put it nicely.
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  • Onkwe
    replied to M5
    Yeah I wouldn't want the Technocracy to go back to being predominantly about just keeping power for power sakes. Certainly such Technomancers exist, but I do prefer the more idealistically driven Technomancers that most of us know and love. I would just like a combo of both that lost alieness with this idealism, which can be accomplished by making the Union driven by ideological fanatism.

    I also have no issue with Technomancers more interested in exploring enlightened science. It's just like I said, that I never felt like I had this Evul Technocracy shoved down my throat by the...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to M5
    Though I came into Mage when revised was the present edition, I'm actually bored with the idea of a nicer gentler Technocracy. It's not something novel to me. This always came off to me as the default of the Technocracy, being torn by over zealousness because they're trying to protect the masses and ideological arrogance rooted in them riding European imperalism to bring about their global vision to save humanity from itself. Now, I don't want the 2 dimensional villains of the 1e convention books or the nonsense of the proposed M5 plans, but I did really like how creepy and alien the Union...
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  • Onkwe
    replied to Bush of Ghosts
    We completely redid the American supernatural world to reflect at least the legacy of Indigenous institutions, particularly in Wraith. It helps that a lot of my group is Native. lol...
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  • Definitely. I didn't want to imply that the faults were just with the Wendigo and Uktena. Like you said, the Germanic cultures the Get took as their primary human kin were much more than the Viking era. And you really hit the nail on the head bringing up how the Lupus and Metis would not be as influenced by these Homid cultures, and how the Wendigo and Uktena need to be Werewolves that lived surrounded by Native peoples and not literally Native peoples. I can say that my ancestors up to today would not want to be around people associated with such beings. They wouldn't be seen as evil, but...
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