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  • Stephen Lea Sheppard
    replied to Looking for old information
    Merela was originally just a name associated with the Crown of Thunders in The Book of 3 Circles for 1st Edition. The Crown of Thunders was mentioned again in Oadenol's Codex, but it was described as something the Unconquered Sun gifted to an unnamed Solar hero; Merela isn't named there. I'll reproduce the text of the relevant Crown of Thunders paragraph from Bo3C here:

    "This fabulously beautiful orichalcum crown is inset with five tastefully arranged Hearthstone settings. It was forged by the servants of the Unconquered Sun as a gift to the legendary Solar Merela to commemorate...
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  • Stephen Lea Sheppard
    replied to Why is resurrection impossible?
    Note that most of the lore about pre--war Primordials -- Mardukth, Theion, etc. -- came well after Exalted: The Fair Folk established Creation's creation as an event horizon after which time became fixed, and was made up by people who weren't even freelancers yet when E:tFF was written.
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  • Stephen Lea Sheppard
    replied to Why is resurrection impossible?
    Note that the no-takebacks thing is the original sin of the Primordials -- "before" Creation, time wasn't linear, and for the entities of the Wyld it was possible to go forward and backwards and sideways, and if you killed someone you could un-kill them and if you died it was possible to just un-die and if you made a change to your existence you didn't like you could unmake it, and if something changed about your relationship to another entity you could un-change it, and then the Primordials made Creation and now no matter how far into the Wyld you go, the linear arrow of time is 100%...
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  • Stephen Lea Sheppard
    replied to Why is resurrection impossible?
    I'm going to attempt to thread the needle and assert that sorcery and sorcerous workings are permanent but not indelible. The changes wrought by sorcery don't poof, and getting rid of one is never as easy as just flipping the magic back off, but, as they are real, they can be acted upon by outside forces just like any other real thing.

    Note, however, also, that sorcerous workings aren't just, or even primarily meant to model "Local persistent change to the laws of physics." Their original source of inspiration was "How do we model stuff like Mazirian the Magician from...
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    Last edited by Stephen Lea Sheppard; 02-09-2020, 05:55 PM.

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  • Stephen Lea Sheppard
    replied to Why is resurrection impossible?
    I suspect there is a rather large bit of metaphysical infrastructure tucked away somewhere, that took a tremendous amount of effort to create, that runs Lethe. The game hardly ever spells out what the Well of Souls is (there's a 2e book that says it's the sky, but that sort of comes out of nowhere and doesn't really mean anything), but I think it's probably part of it. I think breaking it would be a bad idea.

    (Which is another way of saying: Maybe you could resurrect someone "properly" if you could go back in time and harness the power of all of the Primordials at their...
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    Last edited by Stephen Lea Sheppard; 02-06-2020, 03:05 PM.

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  • Stephen Lea Sheppard
    replied to Why is resurrection impossible?
    You assume that, in the absence of the soul or an afterlife, a perfect copy isn't a resurrection because the person in question "experienced a cessation of consciousness from which there is no return," but you have to admit that from the subjective point of view of the copy, there was no cessation -- the original isn't around, and from the copy's point of view they are the original because it's all just memories. So, followup question: If the cessation of consciousness that we call sleep, or even the cessation of consciousness that we call losing our train of thought, were equivalent...
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  • Stephen Lea Sheppard
    replied to Why is resurrection impossible?
    I have always assumed that when the Primordials created Creation, they were limited by certain preconditions that made certain ways of creating Creation impossible, and certain ways possible; certain ways resource-intensive and certain ways resource-cheap; certain ways labor-intensive and certain ways easy.

    In much the same way that I, personally, here in the real world, could build a house any number of ways but could not build one that hovers in the air unsupported by anything, the Primordials could have made Creation any number of ways but could not just make it any way they pleased...
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    Last edited by Stephen Lea Sheppard; 02-05-2020, 03:40 AM.

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