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  • Worship has a very specific meaning within common use of English and it having been shaped by its formation within Christian cultures in Europe, though. Also, the distinction was drawn in the Revised Storyteller's Handbook, which does make bones about beings religious vs. being spiritual, and how while all Garou are the latter (because they are part spirit and live with spirits and can touch them), they are not universally the former....
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  • Only if you stripped out every last bit of Mage-specific concern and just had them use mechanics and themes from other games, because Marvel's stuff is about a flash spectacle and not struggles over what is real or not (that's left to the metatextual level of editorial struggles with executives!)



    CoD still fell into the same pit by having the Power Stat - Fuel Stat - Powers rated by dots template format as a pervasive thing, though....
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  • It happens as normal if you can get the Garou to drink, but there are effects that can break it.

    Beware the Ananasi, who cannot be blood bound, and will just wrap you up in super-silk for the sun.

    Edit: Also, even if the bond does take, keep in mind that you basically just voluntarily gained a yandere stalker with Rage. They will react badly to other vampires that push you around, whether you want them to or not, and will frighten off your herd due to having Rage, or possibly even kill them as rivals for your affection. Rage is nothing to play with.
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  • No, you didn't restrict them, because there's a good chance that they never planned on using that to begin with, and you can just void the armor or use an adaptation of called shots and increase the damage to compensate for the armor value....
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  • They don't actually worship spirits, or at least, that sort of mindset is not required for working the traditions in a rite. Chiminage is a deal struck in good faith, not veneration in the faith of a religion. Also, moots are often even more like war councils in flavor, and the sacred grounds where vitality leaks through to still nourish the world in a very palpable fashion. Whatever religious significance or approach clings to these practices tends to come from the upbringing of a Homid Garou, to the extent that it survives or manages to mesh well with the practices of the Garou as distinct...
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  • Yes, we're aware that Mage can do anything. Its problem is that it doesn't do any of what it takes in and tries to cover with its grasp well, because the generic system has great big giant holes and only answers to Paradox, rather than unique mechanics that would be well-suited to a unique monster type.

    Edit: The Hulk's struggle, much as with many of these odd characters out, is not with the nature of reality. For the Hulk, having to deal with Rage makes way more sense than adding on a Paradox stat. Other characters of this type will similarly have more in common with characters...
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  • It depends on what you're going for. If you want him to be utterly doomed, a fomor. If he's supposed to be on par with others, something else with anger problems. Pretty much anything could do, from some strange variety of Mockery Breed to one of the angrier kiths of changeling....
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  • Oh how people underestimate the humble fang dagger...



    I'd hardly call using Melee instead of Brawl "forcing Garou out of their favored combat style". Given the popularity of Klaive Dueling, you might be playing right into their favorite fighting style, and in revised, each tribe had their own signature melee focus (Silver Fangs and Shadow Lords had klaives, Fianna had axes, Wendigo had spears, etc.). And you just armored your ghouls with kevlar, which, not to belabor the point, is shit against knives and stabbing weapons. Good luck with that.

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  • You forgot the quotes on "nice". Because Garou and Khan still tear apart Devil-Tigers who are getting to be a problem to them. And it's not just Garou and Fera who deal with others harshly, either; the Hungry Dead will filet alive mages who make the slightest breach of etiquette, cook them, and send their exquisitely-prepared remains back to the rest of the chantry as a warning....
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  • Slaggers are generally sticker-like elements of sabotage that don't get used as arrows, though, kind of like a much subtler, much more compact, much easier to apply, and not even slightly obvious version of having a bunch of thermite on hand and a suitable ignition source, unless people started see stylized flame icon art as evidence of an extreme threat. You could probably adapt The Slug to an arrow form, though, including the fang dagger-esque level 4 fetish version....
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  • Outside the setup that the setting as a whole? I mean, you could make a parody WoD that plays everything (or a lot of material usually addressed with far greater gravity) for laughs, but it'd be set up very differently from HT.
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  • I'd rather not see anything in the Revised book acknowledged as existing in the reality of the basic diegesis of the setting, personally. It'd be scrubbed out harder than the events of the BattleTech animated series (which became an animated series for kids in-universe, which two Clan Wolf warriors laugh about in the opening fiction of Wars of Reaving. Curse you, Adam Steiner!)...
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    replied to OH MY GAWD
    Chimu (Ch'ih-mu in Wade-Giles). Or Dragon Tear. Aspiration marks in Wade-Giles and other Romanizations of Chinese go after consonants/initials but before vowels/finals....
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  • Also, if you damage the silver coating even just a bit, it no longer grants the "made of silver" benefit. So any place that you've hit with a weapon, your pack could conceivably exploit with a claw attack, if need be....
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  • Spirits do like intent. Intent to purify the metal to the furthest extent that you know how? Good, as close as a human gets to awakening something. Intent to make a super-awesome alloy of death to everything? Not a chance!...
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  • I thought that Changing Ways was supposed to have a section about that, at least. I guess we'll see in the next few weeks....
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  • "By chance" strongly implies that True Faith had nothing to do with it.
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  • But the archer is sturdy enough to just break through most construction material, should it prove to be a problem. One advantage of being made of iron and huge is that you can Kool-Aid Man through walls, after all, or get one of your similarly-sized friends to do it for you. Just leaning on a wall can prove to be its undoing if you're in Crinos.



    The Black Furies have a Gift for riding horses in Crinos; it wouldn't be out of the question to make one that allowed you to use a bow more easily in closer quarters. Alternately, use Atum's Arrows after a barrage of gasoline-filled...
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  • Hopefully, any future books on the hsien can go to work changing the names and terms to not be in broken approximations of a source language. For now, I suppose that it can't be helped.
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  • Ballistic face shields and modern armor weaves are the entirely wrong type of protection to bring up against a high-mass, low-speed projectile with a point like a metal arrow (which is going to have armor-piercing capabilities on par with a hard metal round in this case). Especially if it then sprouts where it hits and starts growing thorny vines into the target's flesh.

    Garou also don't need to do trick targeting to get through the helmet. A bow meant for a nine-foot tall killing machine with extra long arms is a bow with arrows that can probably get through armor without a hard...
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