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  • All vampires have access to Vigor, not just Nos. All vampires can get Resil, Celerity, and Vigor. I said to add them for a more powerful effect because it is either in the book or on these forums that if you want to make a power stronger, you mix it with vigor to create your devotion. Vigor isn't physical force exactly; what it does is amp up things to make them stronger. It makes a vampire physically stronger, but it's more than brute bicep strength. That's why it's used in several devotions that just strengthen another power.

    I think the goal of the project is still hit. It's still...
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    Last edited by Vitalis; 05-18-2018, 01:48 PM.

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  • Vitalis
    replied to Can a Vampire pull punches?
    Of course, they can. Just like any human could too. They don't have to use all their strength....
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  • First, I could be wrong, but I am almost positive the cost for the devotion is all the dots added up and divided by 2. so if it takes 6 dots of disciplines, the devotion would cost 3 exp. I dont have a book handy to double check.

    Book page 142: A new Devotion usually costs one Experience per dot in the Devotion, halved and rounded down.

    So all your devotions cost much less.



    I agree with zenvious that this seems too Obfuscate. I feel like obfuscate can already do something quite similar to this already. if you just want to make obfuscate "stronger"...
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  • First I am not talking about a mortal at full aggravated... I was talking about a vampire at full aggravated.

    Second, no a mortal does not have to go full aggravated to turn into a vampire. You drain them of all their blood. That’s what it says. There is no damage requirement at all. There are only two things stated to make a vampire, drain them dry and give them vitae.

    The sire drains a mortal completely of his lifeblood, then feeds him a bit of her own Vitae to rouse him back to the land of the living.
    It’s just two things:
    Bite the mortal.
    Feed
    ...
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  • Forgive me if I am wrong but are you saying that you do not die when you are full Aggravated? —diablerie is after that point.

    A stake might not even fill lethal boxes......
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  • This is why a normal frenzy "The beast wont force it's host to commit diablerie" because the conditions are met. If you hunger frenzied you have all the vitae you can have. There isn't any more and diablerie wont help you get it. And if you are in a kill frenzy, your target is dead, deader than dead, super dead. Diablerie wont make them more dead. it wont help your beast complete it's goal. When you ride the wave you have slightly more control over what you do, which is why you can pick diablerie as one of the options.

    You can't accidentally diablerize.....
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  • I am floored by the fact that you think Diablerie is something so simple. Just drain it dry and boom you have committed Diablerie.



    You have to willfully pull the soul from the body at the time it tries to leave. You have to spend a will power and roll a strength + resolve every turn to choose to do this. So not only do you have to drain the vampire dry, you have to fill the lethal box, then go above and beyond that to fill even their aggravated, then above and beyond that you have to fight to swallow down their soul. The fact that you have to spend willpower, means...
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  • A lone starving wolf would indeed go after that herd of buffalo. The herd would run and panic and the wolf would eat whatever it could catch.


    The armed guards are not going to be all in the same spot at the same time. Maybe one or two in a location at a time. the mall of America is loaded with them, but I never see more than 2 at a time. Lots of people sure.

    It’s not suicide. Attack the one. Drain him dry. Use him like a human shield for the other one. Maybe kill him too when you’re done. You’d have that moment of, “oh gods what have I done?!”...
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  • The beast isn't a thinking person living inside of the vampire. There are not two people living in there. That's why in 100 different places in the book it is referred to devolving into something animalistic. What you are saying sounds very much like you think there are two sentient people in there. And yes.. I posed this question already. Just not in your same words. Several of you are using very thought out and premeditated examples for vampires while they are in a frenzy.

    Like... Charlaquin said requoting this stuff over and over isn't helping, but it's there. It is the total loss...
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  • Just because you say "no offense" doesn't mean you're not being a jerk about it. I have actually seen that exact scenario in a few movies. Someone in the backseat or passenger seat attacks the driver, even in high speeds. Perhaps you should tell people who create literature and movies that they are fucking stupid. I am sure they will agree with you.

    Unless you're some elder vampire with 5 vigor, you're probably not going to kill the driver in one turn. That gives the driver time to slow down and pull off the road. and a vampire would take all bashing even if there...
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  • To be clear you had a vampire in a murder frenzy stop and take 2-3 turns to ask Dominate another character to help kill the target? Dominating someone to tell them to stop fighting wouldn't work because as soon as you started eating them, the dominate would break and they would resume fighting. So how does that help?

    And in A frenzy or a hunger frenzy they went to a house and used majesty talked to the person to get them to let them in the house then eat them?

    Frenzy is by definition the loss of control. You're no longer thinking properly, clearly, you disregard things...
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  • <-- that is what I have been trying to say. And you have to activate Awe to activate Idol( though you can do that in the same turn, but it's still 1 turn where you could have been running and you didn't ) I was citing the book and bolding the lines that lead me to believe what I believed, rather than just giving examples of situations that don't really come from anywhere.

    Marcus's example of being trapped in a cage while frenzied.. I am not even sure why you would go into a frenzy while you are trapped in a cage, but I could totally see the vampire spazzing out, then calming...
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  • I agree 110 % with Satchel.

    I have supported everything with contextual evidence and cited book passages.

    Last thing I am going to say is that Killgrave is a manipulative thoughtful bastard. Yes I can see him being a venture. I do agree with that. However. nothing he has done is in a “frenzy”. At least nothing I can recall. Everything he did was a thoughtful action, not done out of lost control. He is the epitome of control.

    If you would like to quote movies for prime examples. Please see The Hulk. He literally rages and goes into a frenzy...
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  • The book Literally unequivocally undeniably tells you what the beast does in a hunger frenzy. If she’s hungry, she bites the closest thing to her mouth. That said she isn't stupid... She will use the thing she is biting as a human shield, or try to back out of the room while eating it or perhaps even obfuscate to keep on nom noming without issues. She wont just stand there and take the shots. She will use her defense and wits to keep eating until the beast is satisfied.


    Ventrue Life I am quoting information from the 2nd Edition books and I have never played VTM. We are blurring...
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  • You are failing to read the whole text. You can't analyze something if you don't take in the the sentence that follows directly after your claim. > They do everything in their power. She does so.. ( So meaning the sentence prior) .... WITH DESTRUCTIVE IMMEDIATE FORCEFUL ABANDON. <-- literally in the book.

    I dont know what the military has to do with it. But you're right it's not stupid. It's not going to chase prey into a burning building, It's not going to stay in a burning building to get the target. But yeah... unfortunately if you are in a military compound and your vampire...
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  • 1.) I never said they were Equal, only that they were both similar, both reduced down to nothing but the beast.
    2.) I agree with that, especially in the case with spiders, some do set some pretty wicked traps, but not while they are in a frantic frenzy. As you know a Frenzy is the total lose of control, Dominate is decidedly a very controlled, thought out action.
    3.) to be fair, I said dominate was "iffy" in the case of a draugr. There are several other threads about dominate in a frenzy. Majesty is the most subtle discipline out there. How would popping Idol or...
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  • This horse has been beaten to death on this site. Why is it that a draugr can't read anymore? It used to be able to, but now it can't. Why? Because it has devolved into some primal beast who just doesn't function like that. Why can't a tiger pick up a hammer? Why can't a shark set traps? They just don't think like that. Why bite the thing closest to you when the thing over there is bigger and tastier?


    While frenzied, the vampire does everything in her power
    to accomplish the Beast’s desires. She does so with immediate,
    forceful, and destructive abandon
    . If...
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  • While there isn't a lot of information on them in the book, I would say that they are perfectly capable of doing anything a wild beast would be able to do. So feeding in mist form, turning into animals and attack so they dont get caught. or whatever is a major yes. Dominate is iffy, because there are several threads that a frenzied vampire can't use it, so I dont know why a draugr reduced to it's baser and primal needs would be able to use something that requires so much speech.

    They become lost to her Beast and a threat, and a predator, which to me says they are almost always...
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