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  • Watch an MMA fight or a boxing fight. they do not stare at hands and feet. So I am not sure why you think that's bullshit? Take some Tae Kwon Do classes or something. They literally teach you to watch your opponent's eyes... Second. Yes. If you are already grappled or pinned or whatever, you're right you can't make eye contact, The Ruling in the other thread was that you did not get a penalty to Dominate while in combat. Not because you're distracted or anything... otherwise every fight with multiple people would give you a negative for being distracted with the other attackers...

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  • So you're saying that you would not try to save someone who is awesome fascinating or important? Someone who feel is just utterly divine? I know that If I saw someone about to be attacked. Even if I didn't know them or were under some crazy mind control power... I would try to help them. Especially if the Idol user said, "Help me" it would be incredibly difficult to act against that person's desire for help.. As you said.




    There is a huge thread about eye contact during the middle of a fight. It's possible, there is no negative. It is what it is. ...
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  • We can argue this in total circles. Your opinion on what is possible in a redirect differs from mine. It says Disciplines fail if it's in direct conflict, however you can redirect them. You have to take both sentences. I think Idol can redirect, that it is not directly in conflict. Your beast wants to hurt someone. hurt someone else and that might be sufficient to hurt the idol user too. actually win win as it might hurt them both! Especially if that someone is a loved one. There is more than one way to hurt someone. Again I think a direct conflict would be telling the beast to stop...
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  • Most people keep their composure with their boss even if they are too angry and go vent about it later. Idol very much puts up a bubble around the user which makes you have to roll to actually attack them. that means you actually have to try to fight their power to attack them. It is an unspoken "Don't attack me" command....
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  • Thematically, I am not sure the difference between obsessed and Dependent. They already get dependent on humans they feed from once their humanity drops below 6. It doesn't happen all the time, there is a roll to resist it already. It can be utterly avoided by feeding on different things, or supernatural things ( werewolves, vampires and changelings, ) and once you hit BP 6, it totally voids the Deava curse anyway as you wouldn't be feeding on mortals anymore.

    Did you just want to make sure they could only be obsessed/Dependent on one thing at a time?
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  • It's been pointed out many many times on these forums (by Rose herself) that you do NOT get a memo saying you are under the effects of awe. ( or even Charm, and Idol ) That it is not something you KNOW is happening. Unless you know that Said Vampire can do awe and often uses it, then you wouldn't have any reason to suspect that you are under some sort of supernatural pull. Once Idol has been kicked off, it's far too late to just simply break awe and be done with it.

    From what I understand, you have to resist awe at the time it's turned on. (Same with Dread Presence.) So say you lash...
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  • As you pointed out *contrary to the desires* it fails. So if you go into a kill frenzy and try to make it a fear frenzy.. it fails. But as the book explicitly states.. you can change a hungry frenzy for a hunger frenzy. Those words are directly from the book. So I don’t know why you think it’s not possible.

    A frenzy doesn’t ignore idol.. why wouldn’t it just switch the target like the example in the book. If a level 1 Dominate can switch the target a level 5 power better be able to as well.

    Also you can’t use frenzy to give commands like “make sure this...
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  • And Alice could use Idol to show Bob that he cant use frenzy to attack her.. I am aware there is no roll to stir the beast, but there IS a roll to make sure you can attack the person with Idol. and it is an EVERY TURN roll. If you failed.. you would simply attack someone else, because as per the book, you can redirect frenzy with Disciplines.

    From the Book:

    For example, if Veronica falls to her Beast due to hunger and leaps at
    Elspeth, Elspeth might Dominate her to attack Dominic instead....
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  • Like Marcus said you'd have to win the roll to act against. So you'd have to want to act against.. then win the roll to frenzy.. then win each subsequent round after to keep attacking. Even if you frenzy with the intent to harm someone, doesnt mean that you can keep doing it. It says that disciplines can be redirected while you are in a frenzy. So if you were in a kill frenzy and failed to attack the target you wanted, you would probably just go after an easier target....
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  • Swwwwiiiing and a miss. I never once said that was probable or realistic. It was a silly example of how you could expend a silly amount of willpower... it was not meant to be a “this happens all the time” example.



    Blood bonding is something every vampire is “born” with the ability to do, why would you need to take a scale to learn how to do it.

    Sure some scales render disciplines or merits less functional, but not all vampires have the “access” to get those things. Please note the difference.

    However. I mentioned a single...
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  • You only get one action per turn, but I do concede that these are different in the case of someone doing something to you, like 10 vampires trying to dominate you on their turns. I guess if you had 10 willpower you could burn it all

    In this case your action is to drink the vitae in the cup...

    I also think that the per scene or per night rule is necessary because if everyone could just drop three shots with one vitae in each making a third stage blood bond in a matter of sections then the scale of the voivode is utterly useless, you know, The one that allows you to...
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  • Blood bond is not a clash of wills. There is a roll stated in the book to resist it and it's a willpower to roll that resist. I think this question is absolutely impossible for us to answer. If he drank a cup full of kindred vitae, not blood, but kindred vitae and it was still fresh, then I think I would make a list of vampires then roll the dice to see who got the third stage blood bond.

    I am sure it is completely buried now, but I do believe somewhere it was stated that you could only get 1 stage bond per 24 hours. so it would take 3 days to get that third bond. The first...
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