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  • Depends what you mean by "really". Wraith 2E said this:



    Then, in Hierarchy, they said the Shroud came down in the 3GM. ::Shrug::...
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  • Callishka
    replied to Possibly replacing a Legion
    When I woke up this morning, I didn't think I'd want to replace a Wraith Legion with a new one, but your post convinced me. Thanks ...
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  • Callishka
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    The more I think on this, the more I lean toward replacing the Penitent Legion with some other Legion. Those who would have gone into the Penitent could be split among the Paupers (mental illness obscured the circumstance of death), Emerald (someone's loss of mental control or judgement causes an unintentional death, perhaps their own), Skeletal (the madness is clearly a symptom of an organic disease), or Grim (a mentally ill person provokes someone's violence out of self-defense or disgust). Perhaps Fate even gets a large share of the formerly-penitent because multiple destinies or urges was...
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  • I don't mind it, but I've always been more favorable to less godlike 5-dot powers.

    I'm a bit amazed at your statement that "the arbitrary weakening iconic powers makes me happy I did not contribute to the product". Damn, everything else doesn't get your support?
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  • Callishka
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    Good point--I forgot Famine was its own rider.

    But that still doesn't help me be comfortable with putting mental illness deaths under self-harm. I feel better about them going under the Emerald Legion, though. An argument could be made that they could fall under the Paupers, I suppose, due to not knowing at the time what they were doing...
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  • Callishka
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    One last thing: I appreciate the attempt to de-stigmatize mental illness in light of current events, but we should not cover it up, pretending that it doesn't exist or isn't something that can lead to death. I'm not very comfortable splitting it up among "Accidents" and "Self-harm", especially since people who die after losing control of themselves cannot really be said to have intended to harm themselves. Still, it's interesting. I like this idea much more for the prospect of a new Deathlord rising up to claim Mr. Bony Hand's famine/draught deaths, and much less for the brushing...
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  • Callishka
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    And the Skeletal Lord loses famine/drought, even though he thinks he's the incarnation of Pestilence?

    I mean, if it works for you.
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  • Callishka
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    Interesting idea, and yeah, Marin, I noticed that. They have already downplayed the connection between violence and madness. While I like your idea, glamour, what becomes of those who died during bouts of mental illness, temporary insanity (as caused by imbibed substances), or extremely poor judgment? It's a sad fact of life that people are a danger to themselves when something causes them not to think straight.
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  • I have little to say about this topic that hasn't already been said, but I just want to add: you'd fit well in my games. It's difficult to describe how disappointed I was every time cWoD put the Bible in their games. The LoF was one of those figures I found deeply satisfying if she was enigmatic, but making her "Eve" undercuts so much of what makes the Underworld interesting--it's based on some human expectations, but can't be easily tied to any particular faith....
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  • Callishka
    replied to Am I missing something?
    We really need to get them to make sure all basic facts concerning freedom of Underworld travel are spelled out, because this is the kind of thing that many of us hoped would be cleared up in Wr20
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  • Yes, rare, but rare is different from saying that you cannot do it and require instruction. And the rules as written do not actually directly state that spontaneously manifesting an initiate art is rare. Rather, they say that it should happen at narratively dramatic moments. In other words, when it would best serve the story and change important events, not just because a wraith feels really sad. I think it's important to take note of when the writers of the game are talking about in-game rarity as opposed to dramatic impact.
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  • Callishka
    replied to Why the Dictum Mortuum?
    I've always liked the redeemed Spectre idea for him, or just a very old Wraith who survived imprisonment in The Labyrinth by clinging to the vestige of who he was, which was a blacksmith
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  • Callishka
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    That's one interpretation. Another interpretation is that they arrived naked because that is how they came to view themselves after weeks of being deprived of any dignity, as well as dying naked.
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  • Unless I misunderstand the point of contention, you can spontaneously manifest initiate arts:

    "Spontaneous Manifestation

    Wraiths are creatures of passion. Strong emotion can alter their metaphysical being. Sometimes, this results in a character summoning a hitherto-unknown Arcanos art in moments of desperation. In game terms, a player can spend experience points during a scene to buy a new Arcanos dot. With Storyteller approval, the player spends Willpower equal to the art’s rating, then pays the full experience cost for the new dot. The wraith immediately gains...
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  • Callishka
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    Skimmed through Hierarchy, which I re-read only late last year, and it seems to add nothing to the topic....
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  • Callishka
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    I checked the Book of Legions, too. The chapter on the Legion of Fate says two things:

    1. There is a rumor? urban legend? that before the Revolt of the Guilds, two individuals who may have been Legion of Fate "Arrangers" (those who arrange for others to have "accidents" due to fate) went to the Isle of Sorrows, possibly to act against Charon. Before doing so, they consulted with people (perhaps the Oracles Guild), heard omens of doom, and decided not to carry out their hitjob.

    2. After that, the Revolt happened, most of the Oracles didn't join it,...
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  • Callishka
    replied to Oracles and the Lady of Fate
    Various passages paint this picture: Some Oracles (especially the Delphics) view the guild as the spiritual descendants of the Lady of Fate, guiding Charon as she does when she's around; they have affectionate contractions for her name ("Our Lady"); one faction believes the Lady of Fate is proof that the afterlife "reveals the will of the gods", that she is arbitor of preordained things and has omniscient sight, while another faction says she rather shows how the human will can change the course of possibilities (evidence that their theories of the Lady of Fate are central...
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  • Callishka
    replied to Oracles and the Lady of Fate
    Yes, the Spooks and Oracles Guildbook. The Oracles are basically a sibling organization of the Legion of Fate. I'll glance through my copy to remember what the gist is...
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  • I remember a line reminding players that wraiths cannot see in the dark, but I'd be damned if I can find it......
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  • Callishka
    replied to Why the Dictum Mortuum?
    That's a good theory. I think perhaps it was intended to make tinkering with mortal affairs something risky, and to explain why ghosts are not controlling the world and terrorizing mortals with impunity (anymore)...
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