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  • Callishka
    replied to Book of Oblivion
    I didn't know the phone book reference, but I looked up the clip on Youtube, and not only did it help me picture your experience getting BoO, but it happened to capture mine as well.
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  • OK, then it's as I figured. Thanks.

    Flux already allows one to improve relics, so that's nice. I think I'd lower the corpus requirement on the Flux Art, specify that corpus cost replaces any needed spare parts, and have it take half the time of normal repairs....
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  • I've found more quotes from the core book that seem to contradict each other. I sympathize with the enormous complexities of developing a remastered 500-page game book, so I'm not complaining when I bring this topic up. It's simply that that I wish to know whether I'm missing something here, or whether there's a way of creatively interpreting all of this to keep as close to the RAW as possible. More specifically, I would like to know the comparitive benefits of the Crafts Abiity, versus the Flux Art of Non-Euclidean Mechanics, versus using Pathos to repair.

    Here are the relevant quotes....
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  • Agreed. The closest I found (if memory serves) was a fan-created document called "Book of Dread Cities" found originally here ( http://www.cattail.nu/wraithproject/...Parchives.html ). Unfortunately the link now breaks, but I have the document saved on my hard drive. I've uploaded it here: http://proxemics.net/wraith/bodeadcities.DOC

    When I was less certain of Necropoli as a setting, that document helped me envision the things you mentioned. It's been a while since I've looked through it, so it could be I'm misremembering what it covers, but it's a good read either...
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  • If I had stopped to think for only a moment, I would have realized this obvious error--lmfao. I can only be pedantic about Wraith metaphysics or history separately, not at the same time xD xD...
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  • I don't believe they changed the metaphysics, but now that you mention it, I've been combing through Wr20 and cannot find a place where they spell out the implications of relic structures cluttering up the Shadowlands. It is certainly implied by the info on relics, the description of Stygia itself (the city, not the empire), and by some material in Book of Oblivion (20 edition supplement). But You may be right that they don't really lay out the realities of relic buildings and land navigation. I'd be curious if someone can find a place they explains that clearly for newer players....
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  • Agreed. I think it's a nice touch now and then to remind players of the reality of interposed relic and material structures by having them navigate through a couple inconvenient areas, but in general I assume wraiths IMMEDIATELY descend on MOST newly destroyed buildings and start chipping away, carrying off the memory-matter to use in and around citadels. This also makes their traveling easier, as a secondary effect.

    I mean, unless some house burned down in the middle of deep suburbia, far from the citadel (depending on your in-game location), clever and enterprising wraiths are going...
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  • Skakanaka explained it well. In 1st or 2nd edition, they explained the whole "material and relic structures lumped together" by discussing the White House, which in real life was partially destroyed during the Civil War and rebuilt. In Shadowlands, assuming the relic (IE, destroyed) portions weren't hauled away by wraiths to retrofit some ghostly structure nearby, the old, burned portions of the White House are still there, jumbled together with the Skinlands reflection of the current White House. Wraiths can pass Incorporeally through the current portions because they exist in the Skinlands...
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  • glamourweaver will of course explain themselves shortly, but if I may: I believe "shadowlands reflection" is referring to how the Skinlands appear to wraiths who are peering from the death-side of the Shroud. They don't see the living world as it is now, but as it will be when it deteriorates and decays. They see the stain of Oblivion on living flesh and its crumbling and erosion in the physical environment....
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  • What are the minimum requirements for repairing relics?

    I'm the type of wraith nerd who goes diving into his library whenever I'm not sure how some tiny nuance of Underworld life works, but this seemingly simple question is vexing me. I hope yall can help.

    What are the minimum requirements--in terms of Abilities, Arcanoi, and/or ghostly crafts--for a wraith to be able to repair or modify a relic?
    • I'm aware soulforging is used to create artifacts from souls.
    • I'm aware relicforging does the same with relics at a lesser efficiency.
    • I'm aware that relics are unitary objects with no real internal parts (unless some Alchemist is mucking
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  • It depends on the activity. Inhabit states that a wraith inhabiting an object is "undetectable to normal senses," but that "If a character scrutinizes the object with any form of supernatural perception that could reveal the wraith’s presence, she must beat his successes to detect him." The first Initiate dot of Inhabit allows the user to simply touch an object and determine if it's currently inhabited, or has been in the past.

    So under most circumstances, Wraith B simply sees W.A. sink into the object and vanish from sight.

    As for watching an unsuspecting...
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  • -In addition to soulsteel, I imagine Plasm is the only other material to build with. I assume the ground is Plasm…is there anything written in the lore about wraiths excavating dirt and then building with that Plasm?

    If you’re talking about in the Tempest, then there is solid plasm land, but not much of it. The only plasmic soil you’ll find is on the islands of stability within the apparently boundless Tempest. Stygian, the city itself, is built on a “physical” island in the delta of the river of death. They’ve carved deep into it, cut roads through it, and are reshaping...
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  • -How do relic electronics work in the Shadowlands, if at all? Does a relic computer work if turned on or a relic radio play music? Can a relic cellphone send texts? Or do you allow relic electronics to work 'by consensus,' much like traveling to destinations in the Tempest.
    My understanding is that lower value relics do nothing, while higher value relics can function (despite not really having internal parts, such as a relic pistol firing relic bullets), and the most impressive typically use Pathos as fuel to function. I see no reason why some relic electronic devices couldn’t function,...
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  • I found a great tidbit on this topic:

    "• Computer Use [Intelligence/Wits + Computer]:
    Although ubiquitous across much of the living world, many wraiths still dismiss computers as little more than a curiosity. Such views ignore the power that computers have to collect information, share knowledge and opinions, and coordinate like-minded individuals across vast distances. For the purposes of this feat, a “computer”covers most anything from a traditional desktop machine to the latest smartphone, or even an old mainframe system. Most Computer Skill rolls are made to collect,...
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  • -Locations in the Shadowlands are directly related to locations in the Skinlands, correct?

    Correct. The Skinlands and the Shadowlands are essentially superimposed on one another. No, you could not be in one city and yet see another city, unless some tempest-like spatial warping is taking place, or some magic. You’d have to physically travel from Shadowlands New York to its counterpart in London if you wanted to go by way of the Shadowlands, hitching rides on humans and their transportation, or sailing on relic vessels.

    Or you could take a “short cut” through the ...
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