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[HardestadtTheEvenYounger]

Supernatural is a garbage show but the new season did something right by giving us a good example of a low-Torment Apocalyptic form....

[HardestadtTheEvenYounger]

I prefer to believe that the authors made a mistake. I remember that one adventure in "Lair of the Hidden" has your coterie discover a tablet carved by the Ventrue Antediluvian and they give his name as "Veddartha"

With that being said, Beckett's Diary deliberately chose to omit the name of Mithras' grandsire for a reason. Could be he was originally 5th Gen.

[HardestadtTheEvenYounger]

The Ventrue believe that the 4th Generation ancestor of a particular line influences that line's outlook through the mystical properties of the Blood such as Alexander's line having a gift for oratory but also a tendency for loose tempers and fits of Frenzy or Mithras' line being unassailable both in court or the battlefield.

The Davana could simply be an extreme case of this with the tendencies of their 4th Generation ncestor conspiring with their periods of isolation to turn them into a Bloodline.

[HardestadtTheEvenYounger]

Problematic? All the religions that the Earthbound manipulated are dead, no one cares if you're insulting Zeus or Mithra. And it was made clear that Buddhist and Taoist monks did as much to combat the Earthbound in the East as Christianity in the West.

[HardestadtTheEvenYounger]

One thing that has always bothered me is how it was described that the Earthbound are so powerful that they can't take a human vessel while the Fallen are the weakest demons, those who could wriggle their way out through cracks in the Abyss.
However, then books like Houses of the Fallen have some of the very Angels who approached Adam and Eve at first, and who were described as the greatest of their Houses who joined the rebels, as Fallen on Earth, inhabiting human bodies.

I'd have the book specifically state that the reason Earthbound are so powerful has more to do with receiving...