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  • It's been hinted at that Mithras' soul didn't go down easily after Monty diablerized him and that Monty was constantly fighting to keep control and slowly losing. In BJD, so d20, it was shown that Monty and Mithras kind of merged into a singular entity. So in a way they've been bringing Mithras out for years....
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  • Helena figured out a way to resist the Beckoning was committing diablerie. But when she first resisted it weakened her....
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  • There are 3 founders of the Baali. When whoever created then found the tribe they slaughtered everyone, threw them in the sacrificial pit with some vitae, and 3 members emerged.

    Now, there are 2 more prominent founders of the Baali: Nergal and Moloch. The Unnamed hides from everyone and does... something. They split from the other 2 not long after the embrace happened. It's been said that Nergal and Moloch become unhinged when the Unnamed is mentioned.
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  • Kael03
    replied to Who will replace Hardestadt?
    Actually I was quoting David Bradley's First Doctor when he appeared in the episode before Twelve's final christmas special.
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  • Kael03
    replied to Who will replace Hardestadt?
    I was making a joke and throwing a Dr Who reference in it.

    You may be A doctor but I am THE Doctor. The original, you might say.
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  • Kael03
    replied to Who will replace Hardestadt?
    Hardestadt the Even Younger, of course. The original, you might say.
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  • There are Nos that identify with the Sabbat. But to them the clan comes before sects. Playing nice with the sects grant some protections from the humans. But they can't protect from the Niktuku, which is where the loyalty to the clan comes into play. As most other kindred won't believe them about the dangers of the Niktuku.
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  • Um... ok? You didn't really "correct" what I said. The ritual Tremere performed both jumped up his generation to 2nd and embraced the world en masse in order to walk everyone out into the sun and wipe out vampires. Tzimisce just popped in and went "lolnope!"

    And considering none of the Gehenna scenarios are canon, Malkav being the Madness Network is still speculation. And one that is held by a lot of higher ups in the camarilla because they don't kill Malkavians even if they come out of the embrace as Gnawed.
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  • There are only 2 Antediluvians known to have "complete and total control" over their broods. Absimiliard has complete control over the Niktuku due to a powerful blood bond. And Tzimisce has actually used his control over members of his clan twice in the past. First by reconstituting himself in Dracon and second when he possessed Ilias and "killed" the Dracon. In one of the Gehenna scenarios he uses his connection to screw Tremere by possessing everyone after Tremere did his ritual to turn everyone into vampires, due to Tremere being a Tzimisce bloodline turned full clan....
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  • That's because when Caine cursed the clan founders he placed a weakening of the blood based by generation in an effort to avoid another uprising that took down the Second generation. I'm not sure if it affected the 4th gens that were sired to fight the 2nd generation (the nicktuku were originally created to help kill Zillah) but I would assume it could as Caine could do some pretty out there stuff.

    Nergal and the other 2 Baali founders are second city era methuselahs, as Ur-shulgi was sired during one of the Baali wars specifically to fight their horde outside Alumat. Since Ur-shulgi...
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  • In the Afterword of the Book of Nod supplement the Antediluvian section lists 10,000 or older a couple of times. I don't remember where it says she is the oldest of the Antediluvians, but she is also said to be the older twin of Malkav who is claimed to be the second oldest Antediluvian....
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  • Young earth creationists put the timeline at about that. Because they believe the Earth is about 6000 years old. Creationists that follow geological timelines believe it's much further out as early modern humans date back about 200,000 years. Since VtM follows more along those lines Caine was exiled tens of thousands of years prior to first embracing Enoch.

    As for ages of the Antediluvians, civilization is thought to have started in ancient Sumer, roughly 12,000 years ago. As Enoch was king of the "First city", it would put his embrace at around that time. Arikel is said...
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  • One of the Assamite clanbooks says they have a 10,000 year history. That's all I can remember off the top of my head.
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  • Imo the Baali are a little of all of the above.

    Bloodline because they are an offshoot of another clan's Antediluvian, which one is unknown.

    Clan because they have their own unique discipline and clan weakness.

    The Tremere are essentially the same as the above 2 points. They started as a bloodline of the Tzimisce, due to using Tzimisce vitae in the potion that turned them into vampires, but became their own clan after diablerizing Saulot and gaining their own weaknesses.

    Cult because they worship demons and try to convert others to the same belief....
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  • You should be able to. Being a blood leech means you feed exclusively from vampires instead of mortals. Methuselah's thirst means you gain no sustenance from mortal blood.

    The only difference between the 2 is one is psychological (blood leech), the other is a requirement that results from aging.

    Now, if your prey exclusion was vampires, so long as you didn't know they were kindred at the time of feeding you should be fine. Otherwise Methuselah's thirst also allows other supernatural vitae for consumption. It just comes with some side effects if you do it too much.
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  • Kael03
    replied to Baali Apostasy questions
    All that means is there are 2 factions among the Baali with different goals. They aren't separate bloodlines or "clans".

    But on topic, the ritual for apostasy basically converts Daimonion into an in-clan discipline and whatever discipline is replaced becomes out of clan for the sake of experience buying. The person converted also isn't necessarily full Baali, but their clan with some "taint" or "difference" in their vitae....
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