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  • Kael03
    replied to High generation Meths?
    To be fair, that was also after 3 straight days of fighting multiple packs of Garou, 3 Bodhisattva, and multiple other vampires that weren't instantly consumed by him. It's not like they did it on their own....
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  • There's been a growing theory that Caine was just one of many vampires before siring the Second Generation. He just gets the credit because he's Caine....
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  • This is essentially what I meant. You can start off innocently enough, but eventually fall down a very dark rabbit hole....
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  • I wouldn't call it difficult to start learning, as any person can be (un)lucky enough to stumble over a demonology text. It's continuing to learn and not be corrupted that may prove impossible. That's quite a rabbit hole to go down, don't you think?
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  • Kael03
    replied to State of the Sabbat in V5
    It's not so much "maintain a portion of human decency" but more "find a way to justify the actions taken as 'not from the beast'" in order to keep the beast at bay. The Tzimisce can justify their fleshcrafting horrors by claiming it's an experiment to bring themselves beyond the beast, or closer to the beast to be more in balance, or the humans they deform are just cattle and not worth the emotional effort.

    Old clan would find it easy to join the Camarilla, they have avoided all aspects of Vicissitude and the infection that follows. They're just basically reclusive...
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  • Kael03
    replied to Path of Caine Paradox?
    That's the 4th gen Toreador I was referring to. Supposedly it's one source for where the old name for diablerie, "Amaranth", comes from. And it was in the second city, since there were few, if any due to Caine saying no more, 4th gens during the first city.
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  • Kael03
    replied to Path of Caine Paradox?
    Diablerie wasn't a "thing" until the coming of the 4th generation. The uprising that took out the 2nd generation was never stated to involved diablerie. Depending on the rumors, in fact, it was an Assamite that accidentally discovered it when they were punishing a 4th gen Toreador. Or when Troile did it to Ilyes.

    The only known time Caine did something about diablerie was when he cursed the Brujah clan for Troile diablerizing Ilyes....
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  • Kael03
    replied to Path of Caine Paradox?
    First 3 archangels were looking for an apology and cursed him with each refusal. 4th offered up the path to Golconda.

    Also, at least one version of history stated that Caine was able to delude himself into believing the murder was an act of love. So he might have been able to keep up that delusion while committing heinous acts as the Dark Father. Or, he was alone for a really long time between Lilith and the first city. He could have found his own, unique ability to keep the beast at bay.
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  • Kael03
    replied to Ideas for Carthage NPCs
    Troile and Moloch would be pretty memorable. Menele was also around, among other powerful Methuselahs. The city was largely Brujah in the end, so build with warrior scholars in mind?
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  • Most of the Camarilla aligned clan disciplines aren't as visual as thaumaturgy. Protean is really the only overt discipline linked to them. The rest humans wouldn't be able to tell are being used unless they do something like use Potence to lift a car or something. The other more "visual" disciplines, like Vicissitude and obtenebration, are linked to the Sabbat, which the Camarilla would be more than happy to direct attention to.

    You could argue the Nosferatu in general, but they stay hidden as a point of habit.
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  • Technically he's now a 6th generation Assamite warrior....
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  • Essentially what's already been stated. Vampires existing is already going to cause some chaos. Vampires that can cast blood magic, actual blood magic, are likely going to be met with very open hostility. If the Camarilla wants to be on the good side of the general populace, denouncing undead warlocks, that are already watched carefully and skeptically, would be a good step....
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  • I was under the impression that Enoch, or whoever was in that sarcophagus, was up and active. And, again, their strength could be limited by being in torpor for over 4,000 years.



    The Ventrue believe they weren't actually cursed, as their founder may have not participated in the uprising. They believe their feeding restrictions are more a sign of their status as vampire kings. Unless we see a Nosferatu become attractive again, or a Malkavian become sane, I wouldn't hold to that thought....
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  • Unless he diablerizes another 4th gen, this won't happen. Due to Monty not being strong enough to consume the soul completely, he's up (down?) to 6th gen now. His knowledge from the past millennia remains, however, as the souls have been implied to have merged together to be greater than the parts.



    His power levels have been fluctuating due to long bouts of torpor. This is implied to happen to numerous long sleeping Methuselahs like Tiamat. But their strength returns after a period of time. Keep in mind, he was asleep for 50 years and managed to take out packs of werewolves...
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  • Clan Tremere was always looked at sideways due to how they became a clan. The Camirilla is just as likely to throw them under the bus as they are with the Sabbat.
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