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  • My reaction is that we should play a system that allows player to play however they want.I designed one.



    I love how you keep saying don´t dare to have fun.Don´t you see mine is the true way of having fun.

    Also you if you are a higher blood potency character you , can heal more , use more powers and buff more , but that isnt a bloodpool with rolls AT ALL.

    I think i will just live you alone with your contradictions.Keep attacking V5 you are doing bizarrely well....
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  • Amalgams should have been just normal disciplines levels you can choose some of them like dementation with the clan only TM brand As they are designed right now they just are cutted content from disciplines.

    Meanwhile Devotions or Combo Disciplines are supposed to be a stept further in your control of the disciplines.I remember requiem where you can transform into poison mist or make things burn by acelerating them with celerity or even V20/Revised where you could for example use potene to propel your claws and win a distance attack with them.That really feelt like your character...
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  • I love the smell of OneTrueWaysm when a Rolplaying Game tells me something is unplayable or you can´t play that way.You are having fun wrong how you dare?

    I love even more that you are eliminating elders becuase they crerly have a higher Blood Pool in V5 but last time i checked the blood potency table went to 10 and also even a blood potency 5 guy can reroll disciplines up to level 3 , heal more and buff more becuase he is techinically spending more blood becuase his blood pool is higher.Hunger Dice are just a blood pool with intrusive rolls designed to take the fredom of gamestyle...
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  • In V5 You get higher capacity for hunger as an Elder becuase if you can re-roll rousechecks then the chances of getting hunger dices are lower and as consecuence you can use more blood to activate more powers.Higher Blood buff and healing are also a way to portray higher blood consumotion.At the end of the night Hunger Dice are only a bloopool with intrusive rollls so yo are both being contradictory , critizing V5 and denying reality.


    In my system you can "choose" to represent Hunger to the same extent of V5 or even more without intrusive rolls with makes the mechanic...
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  • First thanks for your comment , now about your questions
    • I don´t cape atributes to 5 but I do cape the skills to 5.Superhuman capabilites are well represented in atributes above 5 and disciplines in my opinion
    • About the extra dice for displines I should Have mentioned that in the games I master i use a mix of Requiem 2ED + V20 in with are the discipline rolls are done with a dicepool made by (Blood Potency + Willpower vs Power Trait + Willpower) sometimes willpower is replaced by an atribute .But yes I think that Blood Potency should add to disciplines rolls
    • Alternatively you could use
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  • There is contradiction becuase at level 7 for example you can reroll up to level 4 disciplines , you will also heal more , and buff more so at the end of the night is just another Blood Pool and you are attacking V5 when you are triying to defend it.That said the fact that I don´t like this new edition as you can deduce doesn´t mean that you can´t enjoy it in fact i encourage you to have all the fun you can becuase everyone has favourites and preferences.

    That said I will repeat myself before going to my confy coffin my rules if you apply all the optional rules with are only 3...
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  • Thank you for your comment there are great ideas in it.

    About your question If you click in the A in the commetary section you open the format menu and there is a button to make tables




    I like both hunger and blood potency (I love some mechanics from requiem 2ed one of them being blood potency ,by the way there the disciplines are written by a god of coolness , you end wanting all of them )

    My problems are with the mechanical aspect or how the edition puts to work those concepts so I dislike both the Rouse check and Hunger Dice , they...
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  • You are contradicting yourself becuase In V5 High blood potency allows you to re-roll all disciplines if high enough , 6+ can reroll disciplines from level 3 at minimun 5 at maximum.So tecnically in V5 the elder you get the least hungry you are it ist consistent even by his own standards becuase Hunger re-rolls are the way that V5 reflects higher bloodpols along with extra healing and atribute boosting per rouse check.So techically V5 negates the impact of hunger acording to you.

    Now let´s go to my system with all the optional rules activated (This is very important becuase optional...
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  • You are being contradictory , in V5 high blood potency allows you to re-roll the rouse checks to see if you win hunger dice or not.So high blood potency vampires and elders are technically less hungry in V5 than younger vampires.

    Now my blood pool system is designed to be both fair and customizable becuase i belive in fredom of play , also talking about the customization you are ignoring the optional rules that allow to use the theme of elders getting hungrier with time using bane severity as a precision measure something that V5 doesnt do.Also even if you don´t aply optional rules...
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  • That´s the point the old Vitae system that we all love adapted to represent hunger as an inversed vitae pool.That gets higher everytime becuase using your vampiric mojo get you hungry.Also optional rules allow to configure it to your liking.


    It works perfectly , the more elder you get the more powerful you get and greater feats you are allowed to do, but things like feeding requisites and bane severity also increase of course your min and max blood potency is determined as in V5.How is that different from requiem 2ED or V5?


    You are technically saying...
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  • Hunger pool instead of hunger dice

    I don´t like Hunger Dice Mechanic for me
    • They aren´t giving us nothing new (Hunger frenzy was always a thing and the mechanic was better.)
    • They are also a waste of time no need for all those rolls (The master will frenzy at all)
    • They force a certain game style upon players (Low street level agnst leech crying over his dead girlfriend)
    • They get in the way of the players who want to do more thing than being hungry.Becuase if you roll them each time you do everything it´s very diffitcult to not be at high hunger all time or even frenzying.Mechanics should enforce the history and diverse
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  • THE BEAST ADAPTS and evolves to survive and dominate his surroundings , at the end of the night the vampire is a "supernatural" predator in a constant evolution to become the Apex. Never wondered why PC become powerful so fast? The answer is very simple , they expose themselves to too much action and dangers that they are forcing themselves to evolve.I always refer to XP as Evolution Points.

    This is represented by the fact that If the vampire does push ups or fights a lot he won´t devolop natural muscle but his supernatural nature will mutate giving him an increase in strenght...
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  • This is underrated , a great contribution like this deserves more comments and likes.Still Reading the update but for now I will say that:
    • I highly recomend it to all the users
    • I find interesting the 4 in clan disciplines , it alterates the meta making it more diverse and along the multiple discipline levels gives a lot of options to the players.I like it but although I prefer 3 in clan (One of them being unique for the clan like requiem) and give the players a free fourth one to make them different.But this is me being whiny your work is WONDERFUL and I am relly tempted to use it.
    • I feel
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  • I feel similar to Camilla about this new edition, I don´t like V5 and this comment has a litte bit of criticism 5 but i want to say the small parts of it that I like too becuase constructive criticism.
    • I like the emphasis on the Hunger and I love tailored humanity what i don´t like is the execution.V5 had good Ideas but poorly executed (Example the mechanics of Hunger Dice and forced human touchstones)
    • Blood Potency being tied to generation is something that i always houseruled since requiem 2ED in my V20 games so I cannot protest against that but i would say that Vitae System works better
    • Bane
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  • You may be a prophet.That said the reason why i don´t like the beheading of the Tremere piramid is that it feels just another excuse to eliminate the young elders of the clan whose blood potency isn´t enought high to make them susceptible to the beckoning.Also from my point of view is poorly executed , the fall of the inner circle could have been done better becuase if the Tremere can spare something is enemies.

    This is my personal opinion but I would prefer the destruction of the Tremere Main Chantry to be just another move from the Jyhad between Saulot/Tzimisce/Tremere rather...
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  • Everyone has his own tastes , my players for example dislike V5 with all their souls.In fact my perception of the impact of V5 in Spain is that the comunity is divided between people who are curious and people who dislike it but generally speaking few people like it and i can see more anticipation coming from the new suplements than from the core.

    With is sad becuase V5 had a lot of potential in fact i was not only hyped when it was announced but also there are ideas from V5 that i like or even houseruled in the past but the problem of V5 is that it fails at the execution of those...
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  • WAIT , i don´t like V5 at all but as said before and I will say it again i am quite happy of seeing people who like it or starting to pick interest in the WOD and despite my differences of opinion i will NEVER tell them to not play.So if you excuse me i will keep Playing and Mastering vampire games and variants whenever i want and however I want as I have been doing since years.

    V5 it´s indubitably a change but a BAD one ,it´s the same change that happened with the avatar storm and the forgotten realms.If you like it good for you ,but I don´t and both opinions are respectable....
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  • That´s Just an estereotype.World of Darkness is a world of grey morality with traces of black.

    Nothing prevents a Ventrue being an actual good boy , a complete asshole or something in the middle.



    Not in the incomplete core...
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  • Hunters Killing vampires is a logical consecuence what is ilogical and a complete non-sense is what they manage to do.
    • They manage to supposely kill Mithras who decided to go YOLO and let himself be defeated when he saw them coming.
    • They raided the Viena Chantry with the inner council inside , in other words a Bastion full of 5h and 6TH gens that could only be destroyed by trowing a nuke to Viena becuase the chantry itself teleports it´s rooms or by having aid of the technocrazy/The traditions.

    The second inquisition could have been something epic becuase hunters are epic (Look the...
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  • But there is sense in
    • Having all the clans detailed
    • Having the bloodlines
    • Having the sect
    • Having mechanics that work and dont go againt the storytelling , theme and mood of the edition
    • A metaplot that isn´t a complete nonsense
    • Being able to play the way you want beacuse that´s what RP is about instead of smelling of ONE TRUE WAY OF PLAYING.
    V5 lacks of all of that becuase it´s incomplete and it´s a same becuase with 431 the could have done a lot of good things.V20 has errors but at least is complete


    "The Ventrue are rulers" as Bertram Tung said in Bloodlines...
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