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Possibly as having the intellect result in a feedback loop where simple concepts begin to become inconceivable. Or that for the mind to work on a superhuman level, it must have an intense focus on what it thinks about, and anything that disturbs it leads to an overload...

[Primordial newcomer]

Both satisfying answers for me. I look forward to your future posts. Do you intend to explore the Monomyth in a new light or leave that to Cinder? I'm just surprised you felt the need to mention it considering how insistent you've been on not focusing on it...

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Was wondering when this post would show up, great read!

So anyway, is it kind of being presumptious that the average beast would always side with the protagonist mage factions (while they are good compared to seers, I kinda like avoiding calling any of the splats "good")? I understand that Beasts are able to see such patterns due to their connection to the astral, but the pentacle (particularly the silver ladder) is concerned with ridding the world of any hardship and making humanity all powerful, subjecting anything else under them to their rule.

But the seers...

[Primordial newcomer]

"Ahh, you an "Arrow" or whatever? You may actually put up a fight"-A banisher (Weapon preferably) to a talon.

"I will not tolerate your kind anymore. Hubris is all you are, and I intend to humble you"- a banisher (probably idealogical) to a mage

"As it turns out, having the consequences of killing on gut instinct be thrown in your face can cause a mad case of hysteria. That's why I'm alive, and he's...well, not"- a mastigos/acanthus after deconstructing what a banisher has caused

"Mercy? Cmon man, I'm breaking...

[Primordial newcomer]

"So that is the truth of your immortality. To undergo a crucible serving a god who doesn't love you, and to forever be denied death to serve that purpose indefinitely. I...am truly sorry for you. May God ha-"- a MM or Long Night hunter, shortly before being obliterated by a long time mummy foe

"It's a shame our organization hasn't explored theological possibilities for the existence of monsters. Until then, may we be quick and merciless in their execution"-an MM Hunter

"The flock appears to have brave sheperds. May we see how they hold off the...

[Primordial newcomer]

Where is it stated their blood is thinning over time...

[Primordial newcomer]

Gotcha. Again, it was just a quote I thought of for coolness sake

If I were to think on what has caused that Beast to view the Lie in such a way as complementary to itself. The Begotten's place in the world is as monsters born of humanity, to test them and reveal to them why their fears are tor good reason. The Lie and perhaps exarchs as the Begotten may see them, are born not of human fears, but of human evils. Evils that humanity can overcome, yet must understand as coming from their own souls. All said, this is strictly from a beast point of view. If I were to do a Cross-over I...

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Happy that quote got a reaction lol.

I actually only came up with it in the spot, but I've always felt Beasts beliefs on it would range from "the exarchs represent harsh Truths, much like us.", to "the Lie is not a good thing...if you're human" to "disgustingly similar to the breach of agency heroes represent, except in a scale even we can't imagine"

One very real possibility I see, is that Beasts come to their understanding of mages through the Astral Aeons alongside interacting with mages. I think one reaction possible is that Beasts see...

[Primordial newcomer]

Gotcha and thank you. Personally though, I prefer the mastigos stereotype to the acanthus, but I do love "Lead turns to gold when it wishes it. If
you knew how to ask, your Art could be reduced
to simple questions"

"Tyrannical gods, the world itself a Lie? Distant Cousin, do not deny all that is dark as some external force of evil. It is as natural as the light. And the limits you overcome every day mean nothing without it"- a Beast to a mage...

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Nice, ans also, am I misunderstanding Time and Fate interactions with Mind? I always assumed Time mage sight wouldn't exactly reveal mastigos influence. Like if a mage looked into the future and wanted an apple, that mage could end up seeing herself getting an apple, only to learn it was all Mind illusion once it becomes the present.

Back on track

"Dear Heirarch, I plead that you hold off the Arrow from interfering with the theriomorph pack. They're a Mystery I'm heavily invested in. I MADE their totem, after all...and I promise I have it under control"- a Spirit...

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""But this can't be" you may be thinking, witch. But your visions and manipulations of Time revealed only what I made you see, and it seems even Fate, in the end, sided with me...

Truth is, it was rigged from the start"-a Warlock to a Witch

"Fuck...my head...oh boy...here I go killing again"-an old Harrowed out to make the hurting stop.

"Hmm, whatever will I do"-a Warlock put into an "inescapable" prison

"Like what you saw?"-an Ashwood Abbey hunter, unphased by the utter violation of...

[Primordial newcomer]

"Haunted websites, luddite beastmen, literal techno-wizards, and yet only now do I face my most hated monster in the dark. The US government"
A Network 0 hunter now on the run from TFV

"Kid, I know things you'd WANT to be covered up"
A TFV muttering to himself as he searches up his NetZ0 quarry

(I really love the idea of this rivalry, with one theme being that they both remain faceless to each other)

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"Left handed? Just another term by those who hate the Truth is revealed in things both virtuous and horrible"-a Left handed mage

"The abyss can't touch me. It fears what it cannot understand"-a tremere mage

[Primordial newcomer]

I think he means that because they are hunters who are clowns, hunting will cause spirits of hunting and fear and such to take form of clowns. Though this misses the point where you said these hunters strictly don't dress as clowns when hunting...

[Primordial newcomer]

That's true, let me put it this way

As an Order that believes itself superior, how would a tremere made explain the weakness derived from making a legacy into a House?...

[Primordial newcomer]

I was re-reading Nameless and Accursed, and I have a question concerning Tremere Houses having weaknesses

What would be the watsonian answer as to why twisting the legacy makes a weakness? This can be open ended and multiple answers, I don't mind. I know it's probably as simple as "twisting the Legacy warps the symbolism provided" but a regular Legacy is the shaping of a soul that yet doesn't cause weakness, only strengths and a likelihood for Obsessions related to the Legacy