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  • Absolutely love this idea. I actually greatly struggled to see how any of the conspiracies could reach a tier 4 unless they are connected as heavily to the supernatural as les mysteres (though I'm biased, they are my my top 3 favorite cult- I mean conspiracy).

    Seriously thank for putting in the "blue prints" for this idea. I would love to run a hunter game where true success is possible, and having a believable, not to mention fun and epic, outline makes me think the plays will enjoy it too

    Also your shulpae idea is interesting, and I'm very surprised with the...
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  • Thank you! I was just curious.

    I'll be putting a review shortly...
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  • Extremely minor nitpick. Why is the Flame and the Eater of Entrails the only judges whose writeups don't include a paragraph of the kinda mummies to serve them in the "why we serve them" section?
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  • Ahh ok. Also, very VERY sorry if I was coming off as rude....
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  • Sorry for the late reply.

    Gotcha, you have a point about the labyrinths and the AKD history being focused solely on them. I think I'm just too focused on wanting to hear how they are operate now, which as you pointed out, is handled very well in C&C.

    As for the golden ending, yeah I figured some weren't gonna be exactly "good" for humanity, but would show the conspiracy CAN succeed in what it wants to do.

    Finally, I really like the idea of dark factions. Especially since the one you made shows the inherent dangers of humans messing with ar...
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  • Just focusing on the reply to me. I sincerely think that if you were to see her in real life, you'd be disgusted. It's easy to see something in a video game so much it don't matter, but in real life it's WAY different. Like not even comparable...
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  • I think you're overthinking this. A lot.

    Alien allure doesn't have to due with beauty, namtaru don't have some special revulsion to having it. Alien allure simply means SOMETHING about the horror attracts people to it.

    Also, realistically, almost every single mortal seeing her jn real life would DEFINITELY have am issue with the appearance. Like if you don't then you've seen some shit...
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  • I like the idea of chapters a lot, however I do see one issue (well, for lack of better word) with it. Also would love to what the chapter equivalent of the Chieron Group

    While the history of the AKD is expanded upon and pretty damn dynamic, the supplement doesn't really go into the AKD itself, focusing all in on the chapters, which in turn gives them more character than the AKD at a glance.

    Is there a reason you chose to not have too big a focus on the organization of the AKD itself?

    Also, I really like the paradise found scenario. In your vision, should...
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  • Ahh ok. Yeah I can see that, and I admit I do like the idea that the collective soul is empowering them. I assume this means they can't even be a paragon if they hunted alone though, right?

    Also, it REALLY makes me think of Heroes from beast, it seems to be the same power source (astral) but different cause for it...
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  • Skimmed through, seems really cool, but the paragon seems extremely ambitious. Like t really gives a supernatural bent to the Vigil, and what a lot of people, me included" like about Hunter the Vigil is that, unlike Reckoning, Hunters are very much human even with their warped morality/integrity

    Not that I'm against it. I actually really like the idea considering Slashers. But I don't know how'd it be seen my others.
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  • The hedge is also way after the kickstarter. And there are so many books to be made still. It's just not in the cards to announce more when it takes forever for the current ones to show...
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  • Id rather word count not be wasted on explaining how make each individual monster per gameline. Besides with the mechanics we have it's pretty easy for a storyteller to figure "hey, this would be perfect for X monster"...
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  • There is a mage book coming. We still have Deviant, mummy, changeling, and hunter books coming. Give the devs time. They already have a lot...
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  • Hilariously enough, this was the exact kinda stuff I was hoping you were gonna give Heroes when you mentioned Lair long ago with them. Awesome quotes by the way.

    Question though. As Lair going up also represents Beasts growing in the landscape of the primordial dream, do Heroes also solidify their place in the psycho spiritual landscape while ALSO putting beast in a negative light at the same time?
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  • Cipher is completely unique to individuals. It comes with the X splat as Demons. It does not make a Z splat even completed...
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  • Doubt the bottom would happen to be exclusive. A few compacts, even conspiracies such as Les Mysteres, are defunct. While I disagree getting rid of them so blatantly, 2nd edition wants to stress the fragility of the Vigil, even for those people who've made a congregation of candles in the darkness....
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  • Personally I'm happy with it all. I did notice the SWORN don't have their own quote. They have the Null Mysteriis one lol (and they don't have the sub title below them)...
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  • Yeah and I agree. The presentation is bad and needs to be improved. I'm just stating that regardless of the corebook seemingly approving of it, many people have spread the idea that Beasts are non empathetic monsters that do what they do simply because they can rather than needing to do it...
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  • I won't argue the 3 points made before because I feel that's directly for Arcane, but I have to say that most monsters ARE assholes, and not for the sake of metaphysical food.

    Vampires often own businesses put the workers into addictions to work unfair hours and stuff. That's an asshole thing to do

    Werewolf packs can be run as businesses, and the companion book "the pack" makes it VERY clear they are assholes due to their nature. And unlike Tyrants, they simply are like that because they think there should be alphas and betas, not some need for metaphysical...
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  • I don't really see the "realistic abuse argument". Vampires cause relationships VERY reflective of abusive ones, including sexual abuse. And just because it's through the "bite" doesn't really do anything to make it easier to swallow. Promethean has disquiet, which makes people hate you for seemingly no reason, which is exactly how prejudice works (and yes I mean without taking into account a culture that perpetuates it).

    I don't see how flipping a car to show someone he's not save is any less "escapist" and "unreal", than biting someone to...
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