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[Primordial newcomer]

Ahh ok. But isnt the Awakened Soul different from Sleeper souls? Theoretically, a master of Death would be able to incorporate the Awakened Soul into the process, and not have to worry about Awakening in the first place....

[Primordial newcomer]

Isnt it Death which holds purview of the soul though?...

[Primordial newcomer]

Is the relationship between Beshilu and Fire Touched a unique one? From what I've always understood, the fire touched worship the spirits, or really more the Hisil itself, but do yall see them as also sorta stewards to it? Like surely they wouldnt approve of Hosts breaking the barriers between worlds, but they also want paradise back

[Primordial newcomer]

Not really. Having a variation that let's one attribute go above 5 isnt much a circumvention when it comes to being splat wide. Besides, not every creature needs its power stat going above 5. The orpheans have plenty of tools already (and the ability to fly is very strong)...

[Primordial newcomer]

Being stuck at 5 does not make them lesser in any way. Deviants cant get past 5. Does that make them lesser?...

[Primordial newcomer]

Wonder, what do you imagine the nest form looking like? And damn. Void related bird entity?

[Primordial newcomer]

Lesser as in "impressive, but flawed from its separation from the supernal" from a Mages perspective...

[Primordial newcomer]

I meant lesser in Mage cosmology lol. It's cool to know that other occult environments can hold the power of Arcana...

[Primordial newcomer]

So are the Aeons considered "lesser" than the supernal? Is the main differentiation between them and the supernal the fact they are influenced by how the world sees them, rather than being platonic incarnations of the Arcana?

[Primordial newcomer]

Oh, so the exarchs wanted camelot to be a Utopia? Or is this a Utopia in the "it is for me, not for you" sense?...

[Primordial newcomer]

Holy crap. I dont play the game admittedly, but damn I do want to learn about Mage

Where was this announced?

EDIT: nevermind I found it. Bit sad no Promethean or Beast stuff was put up.

Anyway, 212 pages! I look most forward to the Guardians of the Veil and Free Council.

[Primordial newcomer]

Thank you Dave! Final question, are they still intertwined with the supernal? Does their existence still have tons of relevance to the cosmology of Mage?...

[Primordial newcomer]

So Aeons are Incarnations of the 10 Arcana right? But they are in the Astral not the Supernal. Are they how the subconscious projection of how humanity sees the 10 arcana then? Or are they truly the personifications of the supernal arcana?

[Primordial newcomer]

Very true. Definitely part of the beauty of these being "primordial" fears.

Anyway. I feel this Family just does not work in that it's directly tied to another supernatural along with it meaning it comes less as a fear born of human fear, but of the union between two supernatural creatures. Not only that but it has the trouble with demon kinship as Heavy Arms has said....

[Primordial newcomer]

Small nitpick, I would argue fear of big brother is Ugallu, with Anakim being more fear of tech that has to due with things like WMDs and such...

[Primordial newcomer]

Pretty tired, but I'll say how it goes in Hunter (and please correct me if I misunderstood the thread and answer in the wrong fashion.)

In our hunter games, things like murder tend to be upped enough in peaceful areas enough to where it isnt enough to elicit a "GASP" from local residents (the only place we really have deaths be gasp worthy is in the country side with very small populations).

In those places that are big (or have bad murder rates in real life), its tragically common to the point where hunters can get away with killing monsters as long as they...

[Primordial newcomer]

It certainly is possible, and it is said that, much like the Begotten FEEL the dark mother, rather than see her, it's much the same for Insatiable.

If its assumed your theory is outright true, it could be that the Dark Mother is the primogenitor AFTER humanity put the subconscious "face" of fear into being. The insatiable, in their unfocused state, could therefore "feel" bits of the primogenitor, though much weaker since it has now become the Dark Mother....

[Primordial newcomer]

Great read as always, gotta say I agree with everything here (especially non playable Heroes). And also, thank you ArcaneArts!

Considering your usage of not one, but 2 "I Kill Giants" quotes, and the Hero and Beast in harmony scenario, I'm guessing you took I inspiration from how that series ended? It's a great read too.

I'm just wondering

[Primordial newcomer]

Unexpected, but thanks! I guess I wasnt very clear though, what I meant was humanity as a whole, not the majority of Sleepers who work with Mages....

[Primordial newcomer]

It's something I've been thinking about forever now, do Vampires have a true metaphysical effect on the environment, or is it pseudo-mystical? Like does a nosferatu hanging out in a park make that park creepy and disturbing BECAUSE that nosferatu is simply there, or is because the actions of the nosferatu, thus making it only SEEM like his presence is changing the area?