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[Primordial newcomer]

Ahh ok. Hopefully Fallen Worlds will bring it back...

[Primordial newcomer]

What is it like?...

[Primordial newcomer]

So Slashers arent necessarily related with hunters. Any regular enough human could be on. However, being a hunter increases the chances you become a Slasher

A Slasher is a person who becomes addicted to the impulse to kill and gains almost superhuman ability (Ripper) to completely supernatural (Scourge). Many hunters become Slashers because being a hunter is a good way to lose all Integrity and become addicted to murder (Slashers are people with 0 integrity who are addicted to murder)...

[Primordial newcomer]

Kinship does not translate to literal children. Mages, Slashers, and Hunters like the Lucifuge are considered monstrous enough that they are considered "related". Fundamentally human simply mean to where vampires and such are seen as half siblings, fundamentally human kin is seen as cousins more than anything.

wyrdhamster yeah I realize that. But I wonder if their Code MUST become that of the Slasher in order to become Kin. But it seems entirely reasonable they must. The dream quests to awaken inner beastie qualities interests me though....

[Primordial newcomer]

About to go to bed, but I agree with Lessons contributing to Mythmaking. Due to "subverting the monomyth" from the corebook and the Lessons section on the Player's Guide, I've always seen Lessons as a for Beasts to simultaneously build their legend, bring doubt to Heroes, and keep themselves fettered.

And to be honest, and I'm sure this ties into it what with you talking about deviant, this post reminds me of when you stressed the fact that what beast has is there, it's just the matter of communicating it where it gets bad.

[Primordial newcomer]

They should be healed right up. Though, I admittedly dont know if they get blown to pieces. But I do know that if the body is fully intact, it should heal upon making the Bargain (if not instantly, then later through the use of Plasm)...

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Gonna reply to parts replied to me

I meant the "beast is bad camp" is always claiming they want a dialogue just to end up demonizing people who disagree with them.

As for Werewolves. Sons of anarchy is part of the inspiration, but that's like saying the X Files is just like Hunter the Vigil just because it was inspired by it. Werewolf itself is still very different from sons of anarchy. The Pack Supplement made it clear that Packs can look very different from one another, but one thing they all had in common was they were all incredibly insulated and picky about...

[Primordial newcomer]

But that text not only explicitly called out the first pack as monstrous beasts, but implies Primal Urge 10 Uratha with "...eldest, fiercest Uratha". The fact they never get referred to as Uratha also seems to hint they are not the same thing...

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Oh and a more serious question.

With Roles, they are often a more specific take on the overall philosophy of a Refinement. Furies seek to learn how to control their Rage/torment. The Outcast does so through interacting with those on the fringes of society, those like him who he can relate to and learn WHY they are on the fringes (and how that does not make them worthless despite it all). The Savage is the Role that explores the refinement at it's most direct point; lashing out at the world and driving others away, and subsequently quenching that anger and experiencing the loss that...

[Primordial newcomer]

Deviant is a game of body horror. Think the Fly and such.

Being a deviant comes with really cool powers, but each of those powers have a drawback. The more powerful an ability, the more hindering the drawback is. For example, one Scar is missing limbs. If you have a 5 dot Variation tied to it, you have no limbs to use. If you have only one dot in the variation, you have only one missing limb.

It can be played like that of a superhero (like the old fashioned Hulk kind), but really it's not that simple, as Deviants have lost their sense of self and must tie themselves to...

[Primordial newcomer]

Yeah, there just arent many examples (not the games fault obviously, it's not crossover heavy). I just wonder if it ever reacts to other supernaturals at the least. Like perhaps its prepared for Sothic Turns and such....

[Primordial newcomer]

So definitely more comedic, but I think this song definitely gives a good idea to the more idealistic (even, at times, naive) attitude Beasts have towards other monsters

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5OXON8vIaA

[Primordial newcomer]

Here's a simple question to reinvigorate this thread.

Is Doomguy an example of a Master of the Refinement of Tin?

[Primordial newcomer]

So hunters. They (most) are fundamentally human, but have twisted their morals into the Hunter "Codes". Codes that often lead to some alien ideas of morality.
Is it possible that if a hunter were to have a very altered Code, they would begin to fit into the Astral idea of monsters, thus allowing for Kinship? Or must they have a supernatural quality (unless the only way for non supernatural hunters to gain kinship is to become a Scourge).

I've just been wondering this, because as far as I know, Kinship is connected with the astral, which means it's not necessarily...

[Primordial newcomer]

Does the God-Machine react to the New Dawn? It seems odd that it would be unaware of such powerful reality warping (sometimes I wonder if the Great Work can be considered an occult matrix)

[Primordial newcomer]

Oh. I thought all other realms besides the supernal/abyss/Shadow/astral were considered Lower Depths?...

[Primordial newcomer]

Are legacies connected to power depths inherently Left Handed?...

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The thing is I often see the nothing wrong camp CLAIM they want a dialogue. And then criticize anyone who likes an aspect of the game, is unwilling to rethink anything, or just using it as an excuse to shit on the game (while I dont think you are doing that last part, stuff like needlessly calling something "cringe" runs people the wrong way, as is claiming something is an allegory when the writers themselves have said it's not, only to say "well I see it this way" to evade criticism and declare it as somehow right)

As for Werewolf, I've played PLENTY of werewolf....

[Primordial newcomer]

Shared Lairs are probably my 3rd favorite part about Beasts. The long distance living, the outright bizarre landscapes, and how they reflect relationships is just awesome...

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I dont really think the reboot people are right. They seek to change everything about the game while claiming they want a dialogue. The nothing wrong camp, however, is more than willing to admit beast is flawed and that it has a major problem communicating what it wants.

As for everyone being able to read the text in their own way, that's where your argument about the game being about minorities falls flat. Because now that means admittance to you having it only be that way in your opinion.

Beast having Kinship is not an "excuse" it's a valid and completely...