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  • Ahh gotcha. I'll have to re-read mummy again, I thought the Judges didn't necessarily try to stop worthy souls from entering A'aru.

    It's petty, but a plus to connecting Benediction to the Empyrean (whether being interpreted as God or not) has the added benefit of really annoying mages seeing themselves as above others due to the supernal.

    Also now that I think about it, the TFV will be a very interesting read, being even younger than MM. Looking forward to it

    EDIT: Much along the lines of the Cheiron Handbook, I'd love to the see the theological theories...
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  • Fair on all points. Again though, it's a cool theory I will consider as a story element in the distant future for a chronicle...
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  • Ok, that is a very cool take. The will of the lucifuge as a corrupting, yet integrating chain is especially awesome. Hell, you can still have the lucifuge herself be of Infernal origin like that, and it gives my second favorite Philosophy faction more cool story hooks (sorry Truth, Reconciliation is too cool)

    A question if I may, Arcane. In your mind, why would the lucifuge want this, beyond simply having more pawns?

    EDIT: Also an ingenious way to explore the theme of Hunters not being aware of the other supernaturals like us readers are....
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  • Thank you! But really you did all the work, absolutely loved reading through this, really appreciated the witch hunter clarification lol

    The reason for the MM to still uphold the idea of the supernatural not existing was very interesting also! I always wondered why it took until the Lancea Et Sanctum to make the Masquerade a tradition.

    The God machine is always troubling when dealing with religions, idealogies, and even cultural movements. With the other big entities (the shadow, underworld), you can involve them in real world things in an interesting way without necessarily...
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    started a topic Hunts of a metaphorical sort

    Hunts of a metaphorical sort

    Before I start, I guess this is an issue that can be more broadly discussed. So, if any want to speak in more general terms concerning hunts that do not usually end with bodies on the floor, go ahead. I don't mind.

    So I started storytelling a Hunter game recently. And one of my players said he'd like his character to have the chance to join the Barret Commission. While I love the Barret Commission, I'm still new to storytelling. More importantly, I struggle on how i should represent the different stakes when a hunter goes from the immediate risk and reward of hunting a monster physically,...
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  • Addressing all points in order

    1. Very true. I admit I tend to get VERY narrow minded whenever I think of sub factions.

    2.funnily enough, that may be true. And I actually am in the belief that sometimes, a good story involves mere coincidences of no greater meaning.

    3. They are chains indeed. With the lucifuge leading them all. As an alternate, or possibly even simply added on to the original end game, the Lucifuge could be seeking to overthrow Lucifer just as he tried against God. Telling and brainwashing hunters to go for redemption sure seems like a good...
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  • Hmm. I think it should be noted that it is only the Reconciliation that believes in redeeming Lucifer. The Denial, which the Lucifuge endorses, actually considers Lucifer the source of evil and that all who pledge allegiance to him (whether literally or metaphorically by indulging in their nature's freely) should be destroyed rather than redeemed. Of course the Lucifuge is a conspiracy for a reason, who knows what she really wants.

    It should also be noted how linked the Lucifuge (the Lady) and Baudolino are. Hell, BOTH watch over bloodlines and discuss secrets and conflicts together...
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  • Thank you for the explanation. I am still a little confused regarding what makes a spirit magath when at one point they weren't despite having the same concepts.

    As an example, I mean Granny Stiches. Unless I'm misunderstanding, hasn't she always kept those same concepts, until one day she just couldn't reconcile them and suddenly became a contradiction? Or am I reading it wrong and where at one point she was the concept of Exploration Into the Unknown, the fear she gained from the people ended up getting into her resonance?...
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  • Personally, I dislike them as mere dupes too, but yours has merit as it's much, MUCH more of a gamble. Your original proposed end game makes the Council itself feel like it could figure out their "true" purpose and turn the tides, and really, Death being forced to kill them off is a temporary loss for both sides. (Really what I'm saying is that the endgame did not remind me of my annoyance when C&C made it to where TFV would be immediately obsolete if vampires decided to stop funding them and that they basically are able to control all their missions)

    But that and the...
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  • For the part about knowledge they seek, that's about what I was assuming you meant. The story hook potential is amazing utilizing the their pursuit of old knowledge though, finding out about past incarnations and how they were different.

    As for the part concerning Death, I realize Death isn't truly pure, but what I mean is if the Council really thinks Death is pure, why would they stop it's plans? Unless this is playing with their general ignorance and the fact Death has basically allowed then to come up with their own conclusions...
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  • I notice you mention for the end game that Death wold have life be where the living help their ancestors, and the afterlife being a monolith to all the past thoughts, feeling, and memory.

    Is this a deliberate connection to their distrust of "new" information? I feel its an important theme to touch on in their search for the end goal. Why does conspiracy prefer dusty tomes over other things? Does Death approve of this? It certainly seems possible this a bias to the fact they lose a lot of information between the conspiracy's death and resurrection, and what they are actually...
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  • If I wasn't clear, I didn't mean in a magical way. I simply meant to infer that there may (certainly) be some odd deals that have happened in the Group's lifetime. We already have some possible examples with Dead Eyes from Conquering Heroes and the Peleus Guild from the R&D section of 1st edition (a section I hope makes a return at some point). I wonder what odd connections they've made in their lifetimes, and if these contracts would hold true if they were to achieve he goal of humanity's symbiosis with monstrosity....
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  • Ahh I see. Suppose I had a gross misunderstanding with how the Wyrd and Contracts work. May I ask why we have loopholes then? Don't they imply that, for as arcane as they are, that there are some qualities that appear like that of an actual deal?...
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  • Putting the "contract" in Contract

    In Arcadia, or really just the powers invested by the wyrd, all contracts are those powers made by oaths that entwine both parties to the point of being innate to each other. With these oaths, we know those of the regalia often have odd clauses to uphold, while the courts have them as long as they pay their respects (hence the give and take section for all courts)

    However, besides the loophole, we don't see the contents of the contracts themselves that define the Contract. While completely understandable due to work count and favoring practicality and ease of gameplay over needless...
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  • With all the talk about trade, would it be possible to assume that this includes contracts? While obviously always to be tried to favor the corporation, this opens up the opportunity for strange and unlikely events to happen not only in pursuance of the end goal, but also the aftermath of that end.

    I mean, if their symbol is so binding, to the point of disaster without it, imagine what other contracts they've coerced others (and in unlucky circumstances, been coerced) into. Who knows how those will come into play for their goals.
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  • Interesting connection. Nice to see a possible connection to the dark mother, especially considering the implications of that. Looking forward to the Council. While the AO is similar to an extent, I look forward to your first write up of the possible end goal of a particularly decentralized conspiracy...
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  • Amazing writeup! I especially like your idea on why trade is such a big part of all their incarnations. I am also a bit surprised you didn't delve into their possible connection to Heroes and Slashers considering the slasher book, mind answering why? I assume it's because it doesn't really tie into their overall goals. And I would like to say, how interesting that the two conspiracies heavily based in Greece focus on intertwining the supernatural with the human. Just one through the channeling of relics and one through the integration of monstrosity (it also reminds me of their stereotypes for...
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  • Thank you for the clarification. I'll read up on witch finders again, and I'm looking forward to the KoSG post!...
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  • Very interesting, I admit the Ascending Ones don't really appeal to me, but their history with the cult of set is a plot hook with a lot of potential.

    2 questions. Considering you mentioned the Principle and God, when you say ascension do you mean in general, not specifically supernal ascension? And sorry for the ignorance, but exactly who is NWSNBW?
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  • Ahh I see. So the Labyrinth as Supernal Truth seeks containment of Truth, specifically, the containment of Truths that could shatter Utopia (such as the minotaur and mistress and more recently Myrddin's ascension). I will admit, while I can see how it wouldn't be an inherent aspect of that Labyrinth Truth, I can't help but think it implies those that come about as of it (AKD and the order of the black knight obviously) will develop a somewhat willful ignorance, same as mages and their arrogance. Also, I do like the idea they've had smaller wins such as Britain (which is funny as it brings a new...
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