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  • I always thought that the Giovanni were very popular based on threads, the amount of product published and reprinted, and I like them a lot. In the poll was it rank the clans or was it just pick a favorite? I would never want to BE a Giovanni, not liking the weakness or discipline spread, but I find them one of the most interesting and fun to read about. It's interesting to hear they are thought of as unpopular and don't rank in the top 10 with all that interesting history and conflict....
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  • That's a good point. If you are making a new character to eventually do this, take the Light Sleeper merit for 2 points and ignore the limited dice pool....
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  • Al Capone who really could have murdered a father or other family member in real life of a person or even a family playing the game in 1991 would be a far more legit argument of being offended and it would still be stupid to kill off Al Capone, because everyone I knew and most people in general I'll bet thought Capone being one of Lodin's Childer was cool, Untouchables was a big hit at the time.

    Yes, some vocal people were offended by Baba Yaga. They killed her off, and the game is worse for it, B.Y. is cool. In the last decade small minorities of people making lot's of noise have...
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    Last edited by Vamps Like Us; 11-23-2020, 12:02 AM.

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  • No not really I just don't take it seriously as wide spread. A mythical creature (Baba Yaga) was turned into a different mythical creature (a Nosfuratu vampire) and did mean things. That is far less offensive than say Al Capone who could very easily have killed a relative of someone alive in the 90s playing the game is more offensive than Baba Yaga.

    I'm Greek (by way of America) and I say Helen of Troy, part of my historical culture weather or not she was really real was a victim and portraying her as a monster who rules Chicago with a bloody fist is offensive to me as a Greek American....
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  • The Vampire would have to be able to stay awake. Their is a crazy high (8th) fortitude ability eternal vigilance i think, Lodin stayed awake all day on acid when he met his great granddaughter bride (and people look down on Giovanni), Lucky rolls could keep you up for a little while I suppose but probably not long enough to do much.
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  • I'll be sure to do so after I get with the person from Egypt who wants to stop WW and the rest of the world from using Set so inappropriately.

    I should add both need to wait for me to talk with the various clergy, since I promise you fa far far more Christians are offended by VTM wrapping blood sucking murderers up with their God, Jesus (Knights of the Bitter Ash, Grail Covenant, ETC...), the land of Nod, CAINE, Etc......
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    Last edited by Vamps Like Us; 11-22-2020, 12:12 PM.

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  • But are they not a broken fractured Clan themselves now? If the Council was destroyed or at the very least taken off the board and different factions are vying for power they seem to be as broken as the Salubri were with the healers and warriors getting divorced. Young Tremere don't have much to defend themselves from armed extremists and less of a power structure to fall back on. I think the odds have evened....
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  • Asserting things on the internet doesn't make them real....
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  • I like the way you think, I wonder how many city's would have the Tremere locked in their house scared to come out and be eaten by a resurgent Clan Salubri. HokusPokus wont stop a broadsword from removing your head as you make your way to the local Elysium gathering. Political power means little to Sabbat rules of warfare, or lack there of....
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  • The way I feel about VTM is first edition was mind blowing and addictive, second edition cleaned up some rules but added A LOT of power creep, revised was both interesting and a turn off on a lot of levels, but some of the people I played with LOVED it even if I thought it was too much of a box, when it was nuked from orbit to bring us Requiem everyone I know stopped buying new books, it wasn't VTM. I think the 20th books are great and I use the PDF's. If they had put the 20th books in stores I would own them. 5th edition like Requiem isn't VTM to me, I haven't spent a dime on it despite flirting...
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  • This is an excellent post for just some of the amazing uses of Vicissitude. I actually thought it was way too powerful, if anything the physical changes should revert on the new day like hair growing back when it comes to vampires. Level 3 Discipline < Cruse of Caine. Vicissitude is no less broken than Obtenebration or Temporis (was? I stopped looking at it in any edition). It seemed like writers always upped the ante from the OG 8+broken to make the shiny new toy....
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  • It's nice to hear the game is reacting to complaints. I think getting rid of the Sabbat was unexplainable.

    Ravnos are a terrible clan for weak vampires who will blow through Willpower too fast, but broken later on so a rework is a good idea. This time I would do nothing other than this is the clan template powers and weakness. I wouldn't go into any region history and just make them Europe or North America neutral like the Brujah. Ravnos of India can still have caste systems and traditions but that's for a supplement that looks in on Ravnos around the world. I'm sure every culture...
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    Last edited by Vamps Like Us; 11-19-2020, 02:10 PM.

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