13 on 3 and we also don't know how crazy powerful the 2nd is compared to the 3rd. Also the 2nd gen probably trusted their childer too much so they might have had the advantage of surprise. Additionally there may have been more than 13 as Heavy Arms said but I don't think it's required. On top of this part of the reason the antediluvians are so powerful is their age as well as their generation. Even low generation vampires take a long time to develop many elder disciplines. Assuming the 2nd and 3rd gen were quite young at this time I'd imagine the gap in generational power was also smaller. On...