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  • As far as I know, Oblivion's Abyss seems related to the Abyss of DtF (by descrition of said place in a couple high level Disciplines and the one in Demon's books);
    we know that the Fallen often extended their arms/tentacles/whatever in the Wraith's world, making suffer the human's soul they catched. So while they are not THE Oblivion their Abyss is hinted as linked with the Labyrinth; we also know that a part of a Legion of Stygia wandered there, ending up in the Umbra, as they are described in the "Abyss" section of the Umbra's Werewolf book.
    So the Abyss is not the Oblivion,...
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  • no offense given, no offense taken


    And not only them, the Giovanni neutrality makes them uncomfortable city-dweller for all the other sects. Even Setites are sometimes more welcome than them...



    Yeah, if they really allied I expect to be a good reason for that. A reason better than "we're all Clan of Death, let's be friends"... I mean, it's like Salubri suddenly decides to befriend Tremere only because some of them randomly get a third eye. :P



    I have my pet thory that the V5 is trying to turn the Camarilla VS...
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  • SalamanDer
    replied to V5 Camarilla, Chechnya
    premise, I've read a bit into the Chechnya issue, I know something about the situation (not as much as I'd like, though)

    anyway, in regard of this section, my opinion is basically that those 20(?) lines are screaming "Hey there's a problem here, people die! But don't blame it on your muslim neighbour..." which is not a bad thing, by itself. Several times WW books introduce less-know facts that I later found related to real world facts, often not well-known.
    The problem is that it wasn't done the proper way (with, "proper" being you don't take a stance on...
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  • SalamanDer
    replied to V5 Camarilla, Chechnya
    Ok, I didn't read most of the topic other than the first couples pages and some link.
    But, in my opinion, the problem is that they tried to insert a modern RL tragedy in a game book. Now, the typical approach of Vampire on these fact is (was?) "yeah, they happened, vampires may have an hand in it... you decide..." leaving it to the taste of the single Storyteller and troupe.
    I think that, in the way is written, it tries to highlight the problem of Chechnya while trying to not blame it on Islam (point taken, it's not a problem about religion, it's a problem about people)....
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  • No, if the Antedeluvian is hunting only the Giovanni.
    I'd like to remind that Giovanni exterminated the Cappadocians and then actively hunted most of the Cappadocian scions, that for centuries reacted in kind.
    So if now there's a big bad whatever hunting the Giovanni (only the Giovanni), why the Harbingers shouldn't just stretch on the sofa munching popcorn and enjoying the show?...
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  • XD




    Unless there's something godly big and bad, clearly hunting them all, I don't think they will ally, not in the Kindred terms (i.e. Camarilla, Sabbat, Tal'mahe'Ra, Inconnu).
    And beside, the Harbingers of Skulls have just exterminated a whole Giovanni bloodline...
    (unless the Pisanob were actually a barther chip... )...
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  • wait, nowhere is said the Giovanni are "nearly extinct", but that they are "nearly extinct outside their ancestral strongholds " which means that they still are, at very least, in Italy, Sicily, Boston, Scotland and all the stronghold of the other minor families (Germany, England, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Luxemburg)

    (saves for the Hidalgo [destroyed between 2nd Edition and Revised] the Della Passaglia and the Pisanob [both hunted to extinction between BJD and V5)
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  • uhm... yes... good way of going around the issue XD


    Yeah, I know, I was speaking exactly about her ...
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  • I'm not going to buy it if there's not a succubus in the Succubus' Club



    but I'm still going to buy it because I'm self-contradictory
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  • Actually, I don't think you really need to mix different being to create a Minotaur, just modify a normal human with many sessions of bonecrafting and fleshcrafting and you're done (I would still require high amounts of Fleshcraft [the Ability, is that the english name, right?], Performance and Animal Ken)...
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  • point one, I think the suggestion of Nosimplehiway is solid
    on the other side, if I understand it, that's not what you want
    so, here's my 2 cents :P

    1. You're already planning to use a "flag" for selecting flaws/merits, based on Clan (i.e. if you select Nosferatu, you get "Paddle Tail" in the menu, if you select any other you don't). So I suggest you to implement a double flag.
    Grade and Clan.
    "Grade" is a three-way mutually exclusive flag: Common, Clan-Intended, Clan-Restricted, Clan stays as Clan/Bloodline (ie. you select Clan...
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  • Well, you can use the rule on "Rites of Blood" for Necromancy
    or going into a Manipulation + Empathy (i.e. armonize yourself with the subject to subvert his/her self) for the subtler powers to a Manipulation + Expression (i.e. imprint the target with your will) for the more direct ones, if you feel like that :P
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  • Random thought, leveraging on the classic theme (Hypnos [the sleep] and Thanatos [the Death] were brothers) you could also recreate it as a minor path of Western Necromancy, maybe know only to few, like the Rossellini......
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  • Just to add, in the proper Tremere Thaumaturgy there's the Path of Oneiromancy, that actually deals with the same theme from another prospective...
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  • SalamanDer
    replied to Building better NPCs
    "encourage the formation of a coterie of neonates that can support you as a solid powerbase"

    (if Ventrue) "become a respected member or even the leader of your clique"
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  • I'm the only one thinking the format of the Libellus Sanguinis was really nice?
    three/four "clanbook" in one book, thematic and all nicely expanded, four books for covering all the main clans, maybe not all-comprehensive like the 2nd Edition or Revised Clanbooks, but had a lot of interesting things you could use....
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  • I didn't really read anywhere that Chicago would have a Lasombra Clanbook inside (could be wrong), what was promised is instead a splat for Lasombra (like the ones in the v5 corebook) and rules for Obtenebration.
    And I got the idea Chicago v5 will be enough packed without even getting a Clanbook added on......
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  • Maxwell - Lodin - Jackson - (gap) - Peterson - Maxwell - Lodin
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  • nah, that works only for surprise attack, and need a level 4 discipline, which means it's already on the high-tier of the roster
    the grunts are meant to work with levels 1-3 :P
    Eyes of the Serpent + Tongue of the Asp + Skin of the Adder is a great combo, needing only a level 3 Discipline and a total expense of 1 blood point...
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  • dunno.... probably Denver?
    (or as I call it, "the not-Anarch Free State" :P )
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