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  • But , Set on the whole race , I suspect there is no Kuei-jin can defeat An Antes according to the " The Week of Nightmares " ... and I also suspect Kuei-jin's history is much shorter than Cainites ( Lasombra Revised Clanbook says , they move to China in Zhou Dynasty, and there is no things like Kuei-jin in that time ... ) . And , Dharma 10 or Discipline 10 may not exist ... I think they are nightmare to "normal" Cainites , but to really powerful guys , they are less ....
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  • But , Antes are still a great threat to mortals ... I think they are too over-powerful . Ah , to tell the truth , that's one of the reasons I am not satisfied with OWoD , Powers between different races are large . Antes are Plot Device , and there are few guys in other races can be equal to Even One of them - Kuei-Jin may not have A Dharma 10 Bodis , Mage Unnamed do have stats , and other races even doesn't have Meths-level guys ....
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  • So maybe Meths are not as powerful as they seem to ?
    I remember Karsh is a Meth-level Elder , and he is killed by ... human Orgnazation ?! Ah , it is much more frightening that Ur-Shulgi or some really badass guys are killed by mortals ...
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  • Rock113
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    Ah , put this question aside , I want to say , Al-aswad has just 5 Archspheres doesn't mean no Badass Archmage having all Lv.6s . Because Al-aswad is still the most powerful mage, although this kind of Badass may do exist - But he no matches Al-aswad .This is not a contradiction.

    Or there is some rules saying that how many Archspheres you can have ... But to tell the truth , I haven't read many Mage books, I don't know......
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  • Rock113
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    Ah , I know . in fact , I always think Al-aswad is an exception in Mage . No one can match him singly (two or even three Aswadims can do match him ) .
    But , Is it possible that a mage has all Lv.5 Spheres ?
    The only one I recall is an AI in a technocrat Book (maybe Loom of Fate ) ,but he can't use them efficiently. And can this kind of mage match some Meths? I know Spheres'system is different from Disciplines' ......
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  • Rock113
    replied to High generation Meths?
    But , Al-aswad just has 5 Archspheres doesn't mean there is no Archmage having all Lv.6 Spheres. Because distribution of the EXP is up to you . Al-aswad can make his Spheres all over Lv.5, but he may not have some very high Spheres ....
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    And , another questions , can a mage Archmage with all Lv.6 Spheres March or even kill Ur-Shulgi ?( I know I know ,this kind of mage is just a example ) .After all ,U-S can defeat except another Meth Easily...
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  • Rock113
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    Ur-Shugli will die because of one bombing ? I know Modern Weapons are quite useful to Elders , but also work to Meths ? And U-S is the most powerful Meth , maybe Missles are more suitable to him...
    Uh , I think imbued are also a kind of supernatural beings, but weaker (even add their supernatural powers ) . And , many other races seem to know they are a completely new breed , a little different from traditional witch hunters ....
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  • Rock113
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    To tell the truth , I think this is because of the improper setting . Early setting always appear conditions like this. For example, Samuel Haight ...
    I think this kind of 8+ gens should have ALMOST ALL Lv.5 Disciplines, and Lots of Paths , all Attributes should Lv.5 , and lots of Lv.5 Abilities(Some can beyond Lv.5 , have Lv.6 or 7 ), even some strange Numinas . You can see #3 I wrote....
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  • Rock113
    replied to High generation Meths?
    I agree Ur-Shulgi , he may be the most powerful Meth , he can't die because of some ridiculous reasons .
    Karsh was killed by imbued ? ... I remember no imbued kill vampires over 200 years old ... And Karsh is a Meth-level Elder ....
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  • Rock113
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    Ur-Shulgi died ?
    Funny , what's the story behind this ? I haven't
    read Beckett Diary .
    And , Javan was killed by CIA (or one organization ) ?...
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  • Rock113
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    Rank 5 may beat one Meths?
    But if Meths have some very powerful mind-control powers , can Shifter win ?...
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  • Rock113
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    JbN has a 11th gens guy with a Lv.7 Discipline . But later in VDA writers set him as a 6th gens . Others don't remember....
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  • Rock113
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    Many guys' stats in Jerusalem by Night are just typo . And , does 8+ gens (8-15) elders have difficulties beating an Rank 4 or 5 elder singly ? I remember I haven't do tests ......
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  • Rock113
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    ..So Meths are really Nightmares to other races ?
    Uh , I used to argue with my friends , How many guys in other races can beat a Meth singly ? We think many and delete many , we think some Legendary shifters may defeat some low Meths ( 7 gens )? Mage and Kuei-jin , Demon are OK ( I think some powerful mage Masters can take down one through dark methods ? I know mages' system are different ). Wraith and Fae , Mummy are certainly not .Imbued was argued Much time......
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  • Rock113
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    But he just appears in 1st and 2ed , I think he is similar to Samuel Haight ....
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  • Rock113
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    But if they(and other weaker beings ) have some really powerful Numinas , Can they beat Meths ? Can TF work ? My friend used to argue how an Badass imbued with all Lv.5 Edges and Lv.8 TF can beat a meths singly ... (I know this kind of imbued is a joke , but can he do it? )...
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    I know the second guy , but I remember his generation is weakened . he is originally 5th gens .
    The first guy ... is that in V20 ? What does his condition ?
    Yeah , I also think 5th gen is too powerful to Dracula , he is too Young .
    Uh , I used to create one 8th gens guy , he has TF 8 , and of course all Lv.5 Attributes . Some important abilities above 5 (Like Occult ) , and lots of Lv.5 Abilities and Disciplines . Some Lv.6 Numinas and Lv.5 , including some very rare powers (Even Shih Qiaos ) . I set him as a hunter , hunting supernatural beings for hundreds of years . This...
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    started a topic High generation Meths?

    High generation Meths?

    I know no meths NPCs are higher than 7 gens . And this was mentioned in Forum (Because 8+ gens are limited , their powers can't make them survive some really powerful beings , like , Werewolf Elders . ) But can such low gens vampires survive thousands of years ?
    Ah , I think they may have some methods . But the only one I recall is True Faith ... I think if they have really powerful TF (6+) , they can survive it .
    My friend told me one or two 8th guys like this ,but I haven't seen , any has ideas?
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  • Rock113
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    I remember there is also an example called "The-First-Ronin" (Maybe name is wrong) in Book of the Wyrm 1st . His Stats is even higher than Zhyzak , also has Physicals above 5 . To tell the truth , I don't think this guy is a shifter(He may be hundreds of years old ). But I guess this may be a writer's joke? His Stats is removed in 2ed , only leaves Background . In W20 he is completely removed ....
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