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  • Yeah , it is unreasonable , " Bad guys never lost " . There is no any other thing except tragedy in this Chapter ...And bringing back a NPC who is only mentioned 10 years ago is not a good idea ...

    I'm wrong , the reason why this Chapter leaves me the most impression is that it has many Very Badass Guys (Aswadims , thousands of years old )... "Broaden my knowledge" ......
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  • Thanks . I expect more 5E books ......
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  • Uh , but why WhiteWolf did this ? ... Don't kick me , I always think "Hell on Earth" is more official (Although it is not that "real" because it's the worst condition you can imagine ... )

    PS : Do other Series in ToJ have "more official" Ending like this ?...
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  • I know , you can choose the Ending you want . It's up to you . All ToJ books like this .
    And , uh , I remember Introduction in 《Ascension 》says that Chapter Ascension is just an optional Ending which is more "official" , not canon ....
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  • I remember he is a Akashic barrabi... does he join the Tradition later ? let me check it ...
    And , how much update in Book of Chantries later ? In my opinion many very old or powerful mages should be updated to Archmages ... ( Ihuanocuatlo and Jade Demon and Mustai may be so , and I think Glarius in Sea of Ash may follow ? Too many ...)...
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  • I remember those are from the Ascension Appendix ? ... I remember this is just a optional stuff , not canon , other Endings in Chapters may differ from it ......
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  • Is there a list of Canon NPCs who are destroyed or trapped in Avatar Storm ? I want to know some powerful NPC's fate ... like those guys in Book of Chantries ...
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  • Fates of Canon NPCs experiencing Avatar Storm ?

    Uh , so we all know Avatar Storm causes serious effects , many powerful elders in Mage society can't return (And to my surprise , this is even mentioned in a Hunter Enemy Book ! ) So what do you know about that Canon NPC's fate after this disaster ? Or you can share your idea about this ...
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  • Sphere book , Rote book , Tradition/Tech Union/Marauder/Nephandi Novel/Chronicle

    And , Maybe they can be as powerful as Vampires normally (Yeah , normally , new-born and normal mages are weaker than vampires generally )? The reason why Vampire has so many books is that V:tM is the most popular , and books WW published strengthen Vampire's common Power at last unintentionally (To tell the truth , I always think Vampires are more powerful than other races in most conditions ... )
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  • Uh , let me ask some question :

    1 . So when you can learn a Lv.6 Sphere is nothing to do with your age ? A very young mage can also become an Archmage ? I remember there are some examples like Dante and Marianna ...

    2 . What will happen if Orphan group has an Archmage ? I know this is a very very rare condition . Many Orphan has low rank Spheres .Can he also leave a Legend ? I can't imagine a guy who can be equal to vampire Meths or even Antes at most walking on the street like a Mortal ......
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  • Rock113
    replied to Cult of Ecstasy Oracles
    I know , I have posted the resource of what you say in my own Topic . To be honest I like this idea .

    And , why do you think this book is very bad ? After all this is the only book that describes Archmages detaily ... Although some ArchSpheres in that book are really useless ......
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  • Rock113
    replied to Cult of Ecstasy Oracles
    I remember all Oracles are open to all Mages , no separation between the Organizations , same as Archmage and even your own specialized Sphere (For example , Order of Hermes' Thot is a Spirit Archmage ). After all which Sphere is your speciality just depends on your own Effect .

    Uh , and , in my opinion , I think several Time Archmages is enough to the Top's description ......
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  • Rock113
    replied to Cult of Ecstasy Oracles
    I remember in Traditions , "Oracle" is of Spheres , not Tradition itself . So what you want is the Oracle of Time .

    My opinion is that you'd better not create someone like "Oracle" , because they are Plot Device , just like Antediluvians in Vampires . Yes , it does have reasonable NPC like Medea in Book of Madness 1st Edition , but her Character Sheet should be updated a lot, because in that time the Lv.6 Spheres is The Most Powerful Sphere a mage can have , no Lv.7+ Sphere . And her other Ablities are lesser , too .
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  • The reason why he has such low Arete is that my freind thinks , a mage with low Arete (5-) can survive the Avatar Storm and so on much easier in Hell on Earth ... I don't know why , Does this have any settings ? I just know a mage with High Arete should live out of the Earth bacause of the Paradox (Like Jade Demon in Book of Chantries ?)

    But , in my opinion , low Arete is also Suitable to this guy . He is a pragmatist having no interest in Knowledge , just for Kill itself . He prefers finding out how to kill efficiently . So he can way beyond but not way way beyond , ArchSpheres may...
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  • Thank you very much !!! You give my friend so many useful opinions !!! I will advice him to think about this guy more .

    Uh , in my opinion , I think this guy's Background , Story and Paradox should be discussed more ... First he should have high level Aracne (6+) to hide himself (After all he is a Berserk supernatural hunter ) and a few Allies , Tailsmans , Devices (Suitable to his Orphan identity ), Nodes and Chantry (The last two may be useless in Hell on Earth ) . Paradox should be many (10-15) . And his Story must be very very mystical .

    As you say , he is very powerful...
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  • Thanks ... I think his original thinking was "create a Badass guy but we can stat him , right? " But it seems like he just think about "Badass" , not included Balance ...

    Uh , to be honest, an incredibly overpowerful guy could also exist ... Because strictly speaking , there are always someone who way way beyond most people ... (the Unnamed , Voormas? Maybe , no other mages can be equal to them singly )...



    I also have a some questions about this :

    1.How much influence and status should a Simple Master have ? I know Masters...
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  • ... Sorry . He is an excellent Mage player in my memory , but in fact I also think he should think much more ... this guy is ... really overpowerful and strange ...



    Uh ... to be honest , I think Archmages are not less powerful that you think ...

    In Horizon : The Stronghold of Hope, you can create an Archmage NPC with 30-45 dots on Spheres (And Two Lv.6 Spheres at most ), so you can create an Archmage with one Lv.6 , seven Lv.5 and one Lv.4 at most , a same level in Archmages like this guy ( The most powerful Archmage/Master you can remind ) ...
    ...
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  • Thank you very very very much !!! I have told him your advice , he will add more details .

    And , this guy's story in "Hell on Earth " is this :

    After the Unnamed's wash , Archmages and Oracles are slain , so he becomes one of (even the only one ) most powerful mage ( Or the most powerful Master ever exist ) . He finds and summons survivors to fight against the Unnamed , which becomes a little light in this whole Darkness ...

    And , I still have some questions :

    1. Maybe , I say maybe , Oracles aren't as powerful as we think ? I have...
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  • I have some details from my friend :

    1. This guy is a witch-hunter like Sullivian Dane , but he wants to kill All Supernaturals , he loves Kill itself .

    2. He maybe a "true Orphan " , which means he is not a lost-memory-one or an experiment . Just an Orphan living hundreds (Or even a thousand ? ! ) of years ...

    3. Ah , He do have a little Background , but just a little (3-) ...

    4. He may have killed many powerful beings , and many people think he is a Maruader if this is true...

    5. At first my friend wants him have higher...
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  • I think an Archmage is a Plot Device , but what a Master like this should become ? In theory he can use all Rotes ... don't know what does he think …

    PS : Maybe he can be something like "Orphan Oracle " ?
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