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  • Player Character to Player Character interaction - Social Combat

    Hello everyone.

    To elaborate on the subject, this is something in my opinion that can cause a lot of issues because generally a lot GM/STs believe that players should not make social rolls against each other, which to my knowledge is something thats dates back from the earlier days of dnd. In my opinion when players are doing social interactions between each other with their characters, it's actually the player's own personal attributes, skills, talents, knowledges, etc. it gets based on rather the characters, even though it's their character they're roleplaying / representing. I'm...
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    Last edited by Incarnate; 10-11-2018, 11:47 PM.

  • Thank you for the references.

    In regards to the homebrewed part, I'm not too sure on my ST allowing it when it's homebrew even though it sounds cool enough and fits the theme. But I'm thinking, since Caitiff can make their own disciplines, it might be possible for them to make their own blood sorcery paths. One thing I like with the Sadhana Blood Nectar path, it could seriously empower his bloodline/clan/coterie/following as a whole.

    With regards to his own discipline, I actually thinking of some kind of devourism type of discipline in mind, especially due to the soul...
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    Last edited by Incarnate; 09-21-2018, 11:13 AM.

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  • Playing Caitiff is like playing expert mode of the game, then making it elder does to some extent allieviate some of the initial issues of being a Caitiff, but becoming an elder Caitiff introduces a lot more complicated and more dangerous issues both inherent with being elder, but most certainly an elder Caitiff at that. Before becoming an elder, Caitiffs would have to be really careful, where becoming elder that fine line becomes ultra thin. So yeah, it could be a bit too much. However it doesn't change the fact though that the road / path is vital to the character's style and direction of p...
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  • True enough, although it would make playing the character much more difficult, because with the character being Caitiff, it will still have a lot of social issues due to all the social stigma where alone this makes the character much harder to play, and in a sense being an elder character does give a good amount of power, with power comes responsibility, and with power comes more powerful and organized enemies, then put on top that the character is in fact a caitiff vampire who has its own bloodline which in my opinion really would make matters worse as being an elder caitiff very likely would...
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  • I can't say because I don't know, all I know is that it's going to be more open world, sort of more like a sandbox game, so it's probably very likely to vary and shift quite depending on what the ST pulls out of his magic hat, so to speak. One thing I can say, if the nature conflicts then the character is from an outside perspective probably on a wrong road / path....
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  • It's a dark age character thats being created but play takes place in modern nights, so basically both rules sets are used.
    On that note, it's not an elder being created using the elder creation rules from the dark ages storytellers companion. I was planning on the character knowing who his sire was/is.

    On the note of the disparate combination of discipline, I would like to point out, again, that those were only considerations, and probably only would have one of those signature disciplines. Also to mention, when wrote Thaumaturgy I was trying to refer to blood sorcery in general....
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  • Hang on there, I don't want to play a vampire with a selection of the most powerful disciplines available - those I mentioned were just those I were individually considering, and certainly not know all of them. Furthermore, I actually want to play a character that isn't necessarily a powerful character persé (at least when compared to other elders), I want to play a character that is interesting, challenging and unique to play, where I'm way past playing neonates.

    I think you got that part backwards, I was basically saying that I wanted the character to create its own bloodline/clan,...
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    Last edited by Incarnate; 09-19-2018, 09:08 PM.

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  • Thats actually not the case only, they happen the most frequent due to thin blood, but they do also happen when closer to Caine, but thats more an anomoli type of scenario, compared to the thin bloods, the non-thin blood caitiff is rare. However one could actually argue for that the biological Caitiff is actually the pure blood in essence, as the blood contains no clan flaws/weaknesses or clan imprints. And with the Pure Blood merit it's connection to Caine runs strong. So it's certainly possible to be a Pure Blood Caitiff, and obviously if there is a direct line of descendants from Caine that...
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    Last edited by Incarnate; 09-19-2018, 12:59 PM. Reason: Added another point about Caitiff and pure blood.

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  • Actually the concept started with these components:
    Pure Blood
    Soul Eater
    Elder Caitiff

    The disciplines mentioned were considerations, the character might have a few of them, but blood magic was certainly a strong contester....
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  • Well, firstly because not many Caitiffs actually make it to "elderhood", secondly because the bloodlines created by Caitiffs usually don't make it and end up getting eradicated - as with Caitiffs in general, thirdly because the character would seek to make his own clan.

    I agree, without context they would seem a bit odd, but they were also just those I considered and certainly not all to be known by the Caitiff. Chimerstry simply because it could allow the Caitiff character to survive longer, assuming it's not being countered by a higher auspex rating. The various "magical"...
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    Last edited by Incarnate; 09-19-2018, 11:34 AM.

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  • Either I have missed or it's not in the book, but I'm also needing rules on how to create bloodlines. Or is it really just create a new discipline and then the caitiff effectively has created a new bloodline, and if he/she sires any new vamps then they're of that bloodline - than that of a Caitiff? See I was thinking that maybe there are rules to create new bloodline from a Caitiff, where it basically is similar to that of a clan, and those sired are treated to be off that bloodline rather than that of a Caitiff. Also passing on a clan weakness, gained from creating a new bloodline....
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  • Character creation suggestions/help and caitiff/bloodlines help.

    In the upcoming campaign I'm going to be playing in, is going to be in the modern nights - the rules being used are 2nd ed. revised and below (where the newest is being used)

    I'm planning on playing an Elder caitiff (200-350 years old), if possible have created his own bloodline.
    I recall there are some rules on how to go about this, creating a bloodline, but not exactly sure where they are.
    I know it's amongst others related to the vampire creating his/her own discipline, but there any specific rules to this?

    I'm generally open to suggestions, but I do have...
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    Last edited by Incarnate; 09-19-2018, 12:26 AM.

  • It makes sense, I was just making the connection because of several words being used to describe both of them, but mostly the parasitic soul. But considering it, that is what a vampire is, a parasite. So I guess there isn't an actual connection, just bad choice of labels....
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