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  • DubiousRuffian
    replied to Strix origins
    Are you talking about the Brohers Worm? Or were there other origin stories in RfR?
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  • DubiousRuffian
    replied to Strix origins
    You're right. You have stated it before. :P



    I think the guide to the Strix says that they chose to go further with the Strix in part because they are the least VtM aspect of VtR.

    I will say, I do agree that not many other possible sources of vampirism have been explored, and that could be really fun. Maybe they could be expansions of the current setting, but they could also be shards.

    I'd be into some exploration of The Deep Ones, or the Mirror from that one short story that gets mentioned in CB Nosferatu, that I'm pretty sure is implied to...
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  • Sorry for the double post, but I had an idea that I really like. Combine your Bane and Gift. The Bane is that you can ultimately lose yourself and end up like the character Doe. Your Gift is that you can mix and match people's personalities (or even bodies). When you lose some aspect of yourself (with Humanity loss), regaining Humanity only works by replacing what you lost with someone else's. An elder ends up with a fractured, patchwork soul.

    Call the gift Copy Cat. For anyone to be on the "receiving" end of the discipline, the "recipient"/victim must have...
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  • There's a covenant in Danse Macabre where members start to literally turn into their "mentor" figure as they lose Humanity.

    The Bane: So maybe the bane is that bloodline members have a "target", and the member takes a number of personality traits equal to the their Humanity's penalty to interacting with humans. So it builds up kind of like the Nos Bane. Or, when losing Humanity or suffering a breaking point, Roll Humanity. On a Failure, take on a personality trait from the "target".

    Implementing Traits: I don't know how seriously to implement...
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  • DubiousRuffian
    replied to Diablerising a strix
    @Illuminostro - They are a type of vampire.

    Personally, I love the Strix, but if they aren't for you, don't have them in your game. In the four books that have been published in 2e, I'm pretty sure they've only shown up in the corebook, and mostly in a single chapter. They aren't central enough to the game to have trouble cutting them out.

    Edit: Just remembered, there's passing mention of a yellow-eyed thing in the Korea section of Guide to the Night.
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  • I've been trying to think of weird, eldrich powers for some elders, and I think maybe just adding a few extra effects to Animalism might make the necromantic stuff feel more at home.

    So maybe anything which has tasted your blood and is currently under the effects of Feral Infection, upon death, has a chance of raising as a short lived, hungry zombie-animal. Or Summon The Hunt can incorporate some of the old Animalism threnodies, like Kill the Messenger which makes an animal carry a message and die shortly after. Maybe Lord of the Land includes effects for controlling plants?
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  • I think the dev blog mentioned that Animalism uses the theme of vampirism-as-infection, going with that whole /the curse wants to get out/ thing. So in that sense, I think it's pretty on brand. Especially given the idea where the second dot is a deepening of the first dot's effects.

    If the discipline were the only way to create animal ghouls, I don't think it would feel like a deviation. So it seems like the weirdness with /Raise the Familiar/ is that it's the only discipline that affects dead things.

    So what if instead of getting rid of Raise the Familiar, we changed...
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  • The corebook has a description for this on p 278. I've only run with small groups, but I think it'd be fun.

    The only thing I would caution about, is to make sure you keep open communication with your players and regularly check in. If they aren't all 100% on the twist, let it go. I know when I tried the Above All Feed Twist, it ended up making things really high pressure and wasn't a very enjoyable experience for my players, and but they kept going with it because "well it's not that bad...."
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  • It may be worth remembering that the Pledge to the Worthless One is listed as a Theban Rite....
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  • DubiousRuffian
    replied to Diablerising a strix
    I mean, they get a body. They lost the connection to their bodies when they split off, and now they're pissed because they lack bodies. That's part of why they possess people.

    Someone above mentioned giving a roll to see if the Strix takes over after diablerie. I'd probably only give that roll to an NPC (unless the player was actually cool with losing their PC), and the NPC lost that roll, I'd probably say that the Strix takes over, but now is actually capable of experiencing kindness and togetherness. They can actually get rehabilitated.

    But assuming the vampire stays...
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  • Sounds like the early LeS might have just followed some jerk into a cave and, lucky accident, he happened to be keeping tablets there. Like, "Hey that old loner dude doesn't seem to have anyone to miss him. Let's eat him once he's out of sight."...
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  • I very much dig all of that.

    Slightly unrelated, but I think you could get a really cool chronicle of Demon where you're on the run from some covenant that's gotten a taste for Angel/Demon blood. I'm not too sure how to differentiate it from a standard Demon game, but I think there are some interesting possibilities. Maybe they'd work better as secondary antagonists.

    Like, you're doing your standard "fight the angels" thing, and you need the help of the local vampire domain, but also need to hide your nature from them, or else they'll try to diablerize you....
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  • You're right, and I think that would work well in a chronicle. But I personally like to play the Kindred as absolute deviations from the natural order. That they are something that has gone horribly, horribly wrong, and are, in a very real sense abominations. Or at least that the state of vampirism is, if not the people themselves. If anything, I would think that vampirism is a glitch.



    Ohhhhhh sheeeeeeiiiiiiittttttt

    Edit: Oooh, maybe VII is what happens when vampires get hooked up to the GM. Kind of like wrewriting an angel/demon....
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  • DubiousRuffian
    replied to Diablerising a strix
    I don't know that that's necessary. I seem to remember something about the Strix getting WP just by observing someone else committing the Strix's vice.

    There are probably two ways I'd do it.
    1. You've got a Strix in your head.
    I think in the back of the core book there was a twist called something like Beast Guides - where your beast offers you willpower in exchange for actions (but isn't necessarily bound to give you the WP). Maybe rather than frenzy, you have to deal with the Strix taking over. It offers its powers at the cost of WP, and offers WP/advice/etc for indulging...
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  • DubiousRuffian
    replied to Diablerising a strix
    Golconda.

    I'm only halfway joking - but you'd be a human-derivative and you've eaten a human spirit-derivative. In a sense, you'd be the most complete person alive. I'm not sure how I would make it awesome enough a PC, but I'd probably make it terrible and horrible and tragic for an NPC.
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  • DubiousRuffian
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    Do you think you'd feed it with vitae or with vice? I feel like this could be a really cool opportunity to implement a shadow guide (from wraith)....
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  • In mereology (the philisophical study of how parts create wholes), there is one theory called Universalism, which states that any two objects compose a third.

    In the philosophy of mind, there is a problem with functionalism. Functionalism is the theory that mental states are defined by their causal roles - both in how you enter that state, and which behaviors and mental states it might lead to. The problem is that any thing with complex enough states that are causully related would be judged by functionalism to have a mind. An economy might have a mind.

    Put the two...
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  • Well what do you do when your dog barks at people it shouldn't? You kick it repeatedly until learns to keep its fucking mouth shut it's fucking place....
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