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[Trollroot]

Sigh. Look. I get that you don't want to admit that you are wrong, but... you've pulled numbers from a hat. I've cited the comprehensive work of The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, showing that the numbers were bullshit.

Yes, west Africa is not the whole of Africa. Thats not actually relevant. Africa also encompasses vast deserts, immense plains of which is is peppered with glass beads that are vaguely radioactive for reasons no-one has been able to determine. There are remains of immense lakes, ruins from a civilization that mummified their rulers...

[Trollroot]

I seemed to remember that that is where Zeel did his filming. But when doing a readthrough for the Arikel post, I could not find it anywhere, so I may have misremembered.



Yes, Zeel/Iontius pops up through the editions. He wrote the "Anatomy of the Blood" which is a lost text. He has a big part as one of the authors of the "Encyclopedia Vampirica" recently, which is where the opinion that he is the founder of the Toreador comes from....

[Trollroot]

If he indeed can feed on the release through media, combined with todays technology, he would net an amount of blood that is simply beyond comprehension.

But I feel this appeal to me on several levels: Iontius was introduced in the original Toradeor Clanbook. (Same book as the power that lets a Toreador extend its presence through media) Hiding in plain sight since then is kind of fitting for an Antediluvian.

All the Antediluvians (except Absimilliard) seems to seek some kind of transcedence where they transcend the vampiric condition. It is fitting for the strategy of...

[Trollroot]

Personally, I go with the UNESCOs General History of Africa. They seem the most accurate. Volume IV has a section on Mali and they give a population of Mali around 1250 as 40 - 50 million, but do note that Mali was not the only nation in the area, and the whole area was exceptionally densely populated. The river valleys of the Niger and the Senegal is called out especially for their exceptionally dense population. The entire west African river valley system sustained very high populations and the Sahel was more fertile at the time.

If you feel that UNESCOs General History of Africa...

[Trollroot]

The False Caine, from Berlin. A Fifth Generation Ravnos. Apparently both him and his sire was from Egypt, born in the middle of Setite territory. In Gehenna he resides in Sweden and lets the PCs know that the Second City is due to rise from the sands, so he keeps up with stuff in his old home town.

[Trollroot]

I did say in the thread about the Tremere and the beckoning that I was going to do a thread on Arikel/Ishtar, and what this Antediluvian might be up to. After reading the Encyclopedia Vampirica, it seemed to me that Arikel might be following a strategy in the Jyhad totally different from the other Antediluvians, and hiding in plain sight. Full frontal, even.

What we know of Arikel is scant. The first born and oldest of the Antediluvians, the Prodigals state that Arikel and Troile together invented the Humanity moral system. And I assume even the Antediluvians are not past the need...

[Trollroot]

It was presented as a possibility in Becketts Jyhad Diary page 201. I just really liked it. The notion that the Samedi was wearing social camouflage by pretending to be a Cappadocian remnant, and having found a way to hide in the European kindred paradigm. Augustus would probably be in on it, he has explicitly had meetings with the Baron. It is worth noting that the Samedi are said to have had the True Vessel for some time so it is possible Augustus could have been influenced.

Besides that, I don't know what the Samedi could have offered Augustus, but it might relate to Pisanob successes....

[Trollroot]

San Fransisco perhaps. I'll make a post on it when I have time, but there are hints I've seen that Arikels strategy in the Jyhad is very different to the other Antediluvians. And terrifyingly close to culmination....