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[blailton]

Sam gandhi use it and didnt paid anything...

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Thanks for the books reco. I gonna read them

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But for ex: in what kind of book they would bring Dementation elders powers? Boston by night? Theres no Dementation anymore and those powers are not coming back. Remember vampires were beaten with the nerf stick in v5....

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The vastly majority is still out, like anything elder of serpentis, auspex, obfuscate, dementation, Chimestry, etc. Etc. Etc.

V5 didnt moved "a lot" of elders powers to lower level... just a few of them....

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Red Talons, Children of Gaian, Get of Fenris

Least: the native american ones. I think they're boring.

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never. But I use the PC templates char exemples in the end of each Clanbook

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I feel this way about Daimonion. So many filler powers before you can, you know, summon demons....

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No one is talking about v5 in the thread....

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At least in Revised, the torture/interrogation rules make this part of the game trivial. Potence is completely unnecessary....

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Actually, they are only discouraged when inside Elysium.


Or maybe the Assamite



They are not underestimated, just frowned upon due to their bad smell and etc.



Are you sure? I think it is indeed a big problem.



In fact, it would be fine if someone is watching 24/7, as nosferatu do not appear in live footage. They only appear on video recordings.




The book explicitly says that insects are too weak of beasts to be targets of animalism, at least in Revised. To control...

[blailton]

I agree. Potence is not good.

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yeah.

Just the fact your version let the cainite fake thoughs/memories/emotions/aura made it way more fun to use....

[blailton]

Mask the Ephemeral is best than Mind Blank... A 6 dot discipline that is passive (i.e. boring) and can fail and reveal your thoughs anyway....

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I am a slave of it

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I think the same, it's a headache to the ST. To the players, too, bc how exactly you RP it...?

The mechanical aspect is lame, too. You need 5 sucess to predict the target next action in the scene, otherwise you just gain 1/4 temporally dice bonus on social actions against the target. What a piece of sh** elder power.... it is level 2 auspex material in a good day.

Meanwhile, Dominate 6 let you make the target don't know they are under your mind control influence even if someone tell them (Rationalize) and Presence 6 let you stun someone for 3 turns with a single sucess...

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Are you 100% sure its optional? Daimonion 6 is very clear it give you demons feature each time you buy the 6th dot again.



What edition? The only I read says your eyes start becoming black and it get worse each time you use the a Obt. ritual.




I know. What I mean it's a discipline dot you have to think twice before buy. If you use "gonna catch them all!" mentality and blindy buy all the disciplines dots you can get in a bad place.




I dont know what edition. But eeh. I stand corrected.
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[blailton]

The most Trash Elder Discipline I think it's the Auspex one that, basically, let you be Sassy with a capital S in a argument with someone. I think the name is "Prediction".

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I completely forgot about Melpominee. Yeah, I would not bother to buy it....

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Some disciplines have side effects, like 6 dot Daimonium. You gain demon features like leather wings, bronze skin, horns, etc. that can ruin your character's concept. And if your character is social and the chronicle is medieval, buying such a discipline have the potential to cripple your character. Obtenebration sorcery will turn your eyes black.

And worst of all: Vicissitude 6 turns your blood in acid, making it impossible for you to create Ghouls, Blood Bond someone, or embrance.

There are also disciplines that have side effects only on lore but not system, such as...

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Obtenebration is not weak, but mathematically speaking it may or may not be worth it. For example, the XP a vampire needs to spend to buy the first 5 dots of Obtenebration is 80/108 xp points. That XP could be spent on far more promising things. A vampire with Dominate 5 has a lot more possibilities in his belt than if he had Obtenebration 5. I think the expression would be one trick pony. It is a good but repetitive discipline.

Now, if the thread brings us the chance to spend infinite XP points, of course! I would buy Obtenebration powers, yes, although I would effectively only use...