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  • Not exactly.

    Think a Mantle like a role in a play, the gods are actors, many can play the same role, or the same actor can play many roles. But the gods kind of Own the roles, and can share or borrow or lose the mantles of play it wrong. Matos are not small roles, they are protagonist roles, worth of titles. A god without a mantle has no role in the play and can’t act, basically, unless he can create a new role or take someone’s else role.

    Now the Incarnatios are the way gods manifest in the world, like when we play a character in a RPG, they character is the manifestation...
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to How do "Incarnate" Scions work?
    Sun Wukong may want to add a modern version of himself and creates a Incarnation to become Son Goku.
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to How do "Incarnate" Scions work?
    Any and all, it is up to you and the GM. The power can come from the former self, the visitation can be from a former servant or dreaming of former self. You can tell the GM what is your idea and maybe get some help.

    Another option is:
    Sun Wukong wake up certain morning wanting to have a life again. Took a part of self and impregnated a woman or placed into a fetus. When the kid grow they learn they are an Avatar of Sun Wukong, but it don’t mean that Sun Wukon is dead, or missing a part, maybe Sun Wokun is just looking for a new part, new mantle or new legend.
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    replied to Does the public know what Scions are?
    Defintelly "HOLY SHIT it's a HERO" is the effect I want, but I also want people not believing it was real when the witness tell people. That would be a reason to form a cult around the Hero or end up fatebound to the Hero, as the witness may be following them to get a better picture or learn more.

    I want their stories told by Bards not reality shows basically. It loses the mystery of it is on E! And not in History chanel (with some crazy people telling thy are Aliens)....
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to Does the public know what Scions are?
    I honestly don't think there is point in masquerade, but we can play with low activity of the gods on Earth.

    Our World is full of miracles if you look through the eyes of the correct people, and I want to keep it in my game, the sense of greatness of Heroes and Demigods, not even to mention Gods. But at same time I want people to be able to not follow any dogma, to be atheists, to have a life without fear of being hit by a thunderbolt for calling a girl as beautiful as Aphrodite.

    My world don't has that many active Heroes (maybe a few thousands among all gods) and the...
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to Does the public know what Scions are?
    Got your point and agree, worshipers is too much, it’s more about people that can recognized him and his legend.

    A completely hidden god would lost legend eventually for being forgotten any way, like (probably) got the gods of pre-historical people, and would need to re incarnate to build a new legend.

    Let’s say you have a hammer wielder that kills giants, if someone start to calling him Thorson as a reference to Thor, and he becomes a local legend for killing a few monsters, but never showed his face. He is not recognized when walking around, so he is not famous,...
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    replied to Does the public know what Scions are?
    Exactly, Legend is not Fame, Legend can be much more subtle. Your deeds can be great, you become a legend, even if they don’t know you are the one that did that, so you don’t get the fame.

    Imagine something like Batman, nobody see him, but when they see him first time they already know about him, because they know a guy that knows a guy that watched a guy dresses in black kick 5 bad guys asses at once.

    Modern media make it even easier, things that were recorded can be edited and, while people saw a video in YouTube of a guy stoping a moving car with his hands, most...
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to Does the public know what Scions are?
    What I understand from this discussion is that Gods NEED worshipers, otherwise they are forgotten and loose their Legend... If that's the point, American Gods is just an step ahead, as you don't need only to remember them, but also need to dedicate thoughts and prayers to them.

    I think the point on Legend, following the idea of very low activity gods (gods are hiding, if you prefer), when you get Evidence dial to Heroic or even Iron, is that Legend is your relationship with Fate, and Fate affect people and make them know about your deeds, even if they don't really believe or know...
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    replied to Scion Titanomachy PDF
    No, the book has a huge number of “things to fight”, explanations on how to make them even more powerful (or less powerful, if you want).

    But, if you are looking for reasons to fight those things, it’s not the book. It has monsters you may want to fight, actually most of them are pretty straight forward enemies, but you have also monsters that you may want to side with, even they being “the enemy”, and monster that just don’t care if they are the enemies, they don’t even care about “this war thing going on for eons”....
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to Scion Titanomachy PDF
    The point on Titanomachy is that, if they want to respect the myths, the idea of a Titanomachy is bad because most of the pantheons have no such thing as Titans, they may have some adversary gods or an old generation of gods that are not part of the pantheon, or even an adversary pantheon that they may had a long story of adversity, but it’s hard to call any of them are Titans.

    The name Titanomachy is a reference mainly to the idea on 1e, that the gods are fighting a war against one powerful adversary that can face all of them at same time. This adversary never existed, the gods...
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to Orisha and Loa "Titans"
    Also, not sure if you know much about Candomblé, but usually, the entities interacting with the believers are not the big Orishas, but minor Orishas called Egun. Basically they are chosen scions that become the intermediaries between the Orishas and the humans, not necessarily become gods, but were turned immortal spirits with some access to Earth after dying.

    In Umbanda, a Brazilian religion closer to Santeria and Voodoo, the Egun embody mediums and come in many kinds, Preto Velho (old black man) are wise healers for example, while Pombagira (sound like Pigeon spinning, but in a...
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to Orisha and Loa "Titans"
    As all things religious, being deified is as questionable as anything, but there are more than a few people that make offers to him for protection when fighting or facing oppression.

    The guy was real, the story is kind of a urban legend and some people believe he had become an Orisha, and more than once embodied people to help on a capoeira fights. I would say he is a chosen Scion of Ogun.

    There is a movie called The Assailant (in Portuguese it’s just Besouro) that is an action move basically, but is based on his story.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_...
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to Mythologies like superhero genre
    Watchmen is more about Talents in a world with a single Q6+ Nova.

    The Boys in the other hand is all about the human side of Super Heroes, how they are corrupted by power, both their super power and the power from their position, and how they want to keep their image at any cost.
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to Scion x VtM: Antediluvian Pantheon
    Agree on Lasombra and Malkav. I would say Ennoia would be Hunter, Primeval (Earth) and Monster.

    Most of them are pretty Tyranical and Monstruous, but not sure it’s a vampire thing or a trait of their callings.

    To be fair, most pantheons would consider them Titans by the way they mist kill people to survival (they need to kill their on Scions to survival, as their hunger requires vitae, not blood).
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to Scion Titanomachy PDF
    But mor than once, Neall said part of the story related to the Titans are exactly around the fact that Titans and Gods are not different from each other except for political/POV definitions, and how the characters may see Titans as equals or at least not enemies, while the only reason to treat them as enemies are the gods speech on how they are evil.

    Titanomachy is an antagonist book, but it’s not a simple list of enemies, you can use them as enemies or allies, and most Titans are described as neutral if not apathetical to the gods and the war itself. The first time I read the Keepers...
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to Scion x VtM: Antediluvian Pantheon
    I don’t think the Antediluvians are a proper pantheon for a few reasons, even if you consider them god level creatures (what I don’t).

    Fist, They don’t work as divine creatures, like the totems do for WtA, they work more as cult leaders than reason for cults to gather. They were never described as gods, maybe as godlike, but not real gods, in opposition to Totens that work as minor gods for the Werewolves.

    They are not immortal from the divine perspective. They don’t age, but they are not really immortal.

    Their level of power is of a demigod, they...
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  • I was writing, but all that I can say is written in one of my previous posts. I am just lazy now...

    Ravian, I think you may be correct for most games, but, if the idea is that gods don’t show up often, demigods and heroes can also be subtle, maybe working more often in Terra incognita or staring below radar or covered by mist or whatever it is called. my approach is basically, if you want the gods stay hidden, you can play heroes as urban legends, demigods as operating out of reach and gods being subtle.
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  • I don’t believe I am the one writing this, but Gods don’t need worship or even religion, and if they do they would not willingly hide, as they would die.
    The gods in American Gods become faith beggars because they lost their worshippers, they didn’t willingly hide, they were forced down by the lack of faith, that reduce their powers causing the reduction of faiths and so on, spiraling down.

    About striping back the veil, you don’t need to, it just make the miracles less miraculous. A cult may surge around the miracle that happen, and millions can go to see the face of...
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to multi attacks
    For a High Legend Hero and certainly Demigods, whenever Scale comes to play, it’s going to be easy to beat more than just Mooks with a single attack.

    Well, Scale itself allow the Scion to attack everybody equally as you can consider the group as an individual of higher scale, but in this case you lose the advantage of causing more than 2 injuries as the Target has higher scale too.
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  • Mateus Luz
    replied to multi attacks
    You can’t attack twice the same target, but you can attack multiple targets at the same round. For example you can take down multiple minor characters if have enough successes with a single attack roll, what is basically mixed action, as you split the successes among multiple actions (individual attacks).
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