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  • In a conversation with Karim he mentioned that while he likes aspects of Requiem and would like to crib certain ideas from it he explicitly doesn't want to just "make it like Requiem."


    Gangrel and Tremere have always been popular and populous clans in most of the groups I've played with. Malkavians surprised me though (and I say this as an avid Malkavian player)....
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  • Combat was covered during the rules briefing and was in the packets we had, but I don't remember it very well and the group I ran for actually managed to avoid combat completely so it never came up at the table....
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  • I think you're overestimating the frequency and impact of games like these. I've not gotten any indication that they're going to replace their writing staff with event LARPs. We're not even sure how much influence Enlightenment In Blood will actually have on the written metaplot....
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  • The playtest only had Ventrue and Toreador pregens, so I don't think any rules for Nos were included. At least I don't remember seeing any....
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  • I'm still at the airport in Germany but I figure I'll add my own two cents to what deejay has posted. I'm not going to get too hung up on system minutiae as that's the most likely thing to change going forward. Instead I'll focusing more on mechanical concepts and applications.

    The "big thing" that it seemed like this was a testbed for is the Hunger system as a replacement for Blood Points. The basic idea is that rather than decreasing the amount of blood you have you increase the amount of hunger you have. Rather than spending Blood Points you instead "Rouse the Blood"...
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  • Finished surprise ST-ing a V5 playtest a little bit ago. Will put up my thoughts later. First impressions are good, though not everybody is going to like it. That said, they emphasized repeatedly that the playtest rules are barely even an alpha version. Nothing is locked in at this point....
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  • Caitiff Primogen
    replied to It's out!
    Having played an Ogre, a Goblin, a Beastie, and a Bogart at various times I don't really see where that reading on Thallain is coming from. They're definitely more "at home" in the WoD than Kithain, but putting them in a category with BSDs and Nephandi just doesn't track....
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  • Caitiff Primogen
    replied to You Know What I Hate MK I
    It's my own fault for getting mad and not adequately checking all my statements before I shot them off. I didn't lose the argument, but I shot down any chance I had of winning it and had to pull an embarrassing draw instead the slam dunk I could have had if I'd remembered to act like a scholar and not tried to be arch....
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  • Caitiff Primogen
    replied to You Know What I Hate MK I
    I got drawn into a internet argument with people over the Civil War (specifically over the cause thereof), and while the sources for my argument were good (primary source references to slavery as the prime causal factor for secession) I attributed references to them incorrectly (in my mind putting all of them in the declarations of secession rather than split between the text of the declarations and their supporting documentation), a legitimate methodological error on my part that led me to make a factually incorrect assertion (that every one of the declarations of secession contained references...
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  • Caitiff Primogen
    replied to It's out!
    Overall I'm liking it so far. Can't tell you how pleased I am that this is finally a thing, and indeed still getting over disbelief that new C:tD exists at all.

    That being said...

    This is an artistic choice that it's too late to change, and in the grand scheme of things it's not so huge of a detail, but its representative of a thing that happens a lot and always bugs me when it does.

    The Dutchy of Dogwood. West Virginia gets lumped in with Virginia yet again. I still have to explain to people in this the year 2017 that West Virginia is indeed a state. I have...
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  • Caitiff Primogen
    replied to Dear, White People
    I've had similar conversation with people from outside the States looking in on what looks like a really strange, contorted, and arbitrary set of cultural mores with regards to race. The best answer I've been able to give is that our racial hangups are strange, contorted, and arbitrary because the systems of strange, contorted, and arbitrary racial oppression existed in this country for longer than they have (arguably) not existed, and trying to unbend that warped culture creates all sorts of bumps, kinks, and splinters of its own....
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  • AKD has always been pretty popular in groups I've played with, but maybe that's not true on a bigger scale. Typically I've thought of the Ascending Ones as most often falling through the cracks....
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  • While I'd love to see Cheiron Group appear in Deviant as well, I definitely don't want to lose them in Hunter.

    More than anything else Cheiron Group was what hooked me into Hunter: the Vigil....
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  • Oh certainly. This is just my critique of what's been presented in its current form. Trying to nudge the design in a direction I'd prefer.

    I understand the concept and system of Conditions, but what a Condition is supposed to represent varies wildly throughout the growing body of second edition. The answer increasingly seems to be "just about anything." That's not necessarily a bad answer, but personally I wish they were defined a little more narrowly. Like you said, characters are increasingly dragging around piles worth of Conditions, and from my own perspective at least...
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  • I like the concept of having more modular Endowments that can be reskinned between different Conspiracies and which streamline the cost/benefit of different Endowment categories (that being a bit of a mess in 1e). Right now the jargon is pretty intense though. 2e has already been developing a bit of a keyword glut and this is almost over the top. I'm also not totally sold on them being Conditions. I'm not really seeing the benefit of it from a design standpoint and it feels kind of out-of-flavor for both Endowments and Conditions.
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  • Caitiff Primogen
    replied to Dear, White People
    This is something I've noticed as well. Its difficult to explain the concept of institutional racism and individual prejudice because we've created this image of a capital-R "Racist" with a Klan robe and a Nazi armband. A cartoon villain synonymous with evil. People think "I can't be saying/doing something racist because that would make me a Racist and Racists Are Bad People. I'm not a bad person." We don't like shades of gray, we don't like self-reflection, and we like difficult solutions least of all. Its much easier to see the world as good people versus bad people, as opposed...
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  • Gotcha. Thanks for the rundown. I'll admit I'm a little unclear on what the difference is between an Akuma and a run-of-the-mill Infernalist besides locality, but I've also not really read much KJ material outside of the KotE corebook....
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  • Yup, that is news to me. What book is that in?...
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  • Most common Disciplines can be effectively taught with a two-by-four.

    Dominate: Make me stop hitting you with this two-by-four.
    Presence: Make me not want to hit you with this two-by-four.
    Potence: Break the two-by-four.
    Celerity: Duck the two-by-four.
    Fortitude: Stop giving a shit about the two-by-four.
    Obfuscate: Hide from the two-by-four.
    Animalism: Bring your animal buddies to protect you from the two-by-four.

    Still working on Auspex. More study and experimentation is needed with the two-by-four....
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  • IIRC Oliver Thrace sold out the Tremere chantry in Hong Kong when the changeover from British to Chinese rule happened and he's currently a "guest" of the Kue-Jin. Not saying they could destroy him easily, but there are a lot more of them than there are of him and even if he did want to escape/take over/whatever he'd lose the protection they offer him from the rest of the Tremere....
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