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  • Trippy
    replied to What books do you want?
    I’m happy with the playstyles presented in the core....
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  • Trippy
    replied to What books do you want?
    For my purposes, essentially they are. I wouldn’t feel the need to get both....
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  • Trippy
    replied to What books do you want?
    To be honest, if we are getting the Vampire Companion now, I don’t really feel the need for a Players Guide.

    I’d welcome The Sabbat book, if it is done in the same way as the Camarilla and Anarchs books, and possibly incorporating/duplicating the Tzmisce and Lasombra from other sourcebooks. heck, maybe even incorporating the Ravnos. I’d like to see The Second Inquisition as almost a spin-off game. I’d like to see more City and Chronicle books spanning the globe. If it is going to take a while to get to any form of Wraith new edition, if ever, then I’d like to see supplements...
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  • It may just be that Modiphius only decided to take on the license to ensure it kept going, but didn’t really have the passion to make it a lasting line. They certainly sold a lot of the core-book from retail figures, which would justify why they would choose to initially take it on, but actually Onyx Path is overtaking them a lot in terms of support. There may have also been lots of editing issues behind the scenes that made them think again too....
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  • Having the Tremere vs the Rest would actually make an interesting premise for a Chronicle....
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  • I could see that happening as a plot device - but we would have to wait for what the developers choose to do, hence the need for an explanation. As it stands though, 14 Clans is incongruous with what has always been established in the game world before, and the symbolism remains significant enough to have it stated as such in the core rules. The re-emergence of the Salubri might well be a meta plot development moving forward....
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  • How I’ve missed your contributions to any given debate about V5.......
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  • I don’t care. That conversation finished a while ago. You may have an opinion. I might have another. We agreed to disagree, so why bring it up again? You’ve conflated the criticism of this with that of another poster, and now you are just obsessing over it.

    Wrong. The factual issue is that somebody argued that the Book of Nod could be interpreted as stating there were 30 Clans rather than 13. This was factually untrue because 13 Clans are literally named in it - and this is what I pointed out. This does not mean anybody is claiming that the Book of Nod is a factual document, in...
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  • You may be conflating my responses to other posters comments with your own, somewhat, so you might look into that. Yet trying to insinuate that somebody doesn’t “understand” your arguments is also belittling, by the way, so you probably ought to take a note out of your own book too. I’ve made it clear what arguments I thought were silly, and why. Take it or leave it - makes little difference to me at this point....
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  • There has been arguments on this thread that have suggested that the Book of Nod could be interpreted as suggesting 30 clans (which it couldn’t because they were all named in that book), that any reference to the Book of Nod should be dismissed because it wasn’t “factual" (even though this point was never argued), that any reference made in the game to 13 Clans or anything else were “laughable” and liking the symbolism made you a "90s Goth Teen”. So, yes, these were silly arguments and belittling.

    And no, in the game lore as it still stands, 13 is not just a number - it...
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  • I know that, but the point was they kept to the 13 Clan motif by establishing that these were the result of Diablerie and succession. All these are 'ex-Clans' because of it - that is what I am getting at. The power of the Tremere backstory, for example, lies in the fact that they stole the status of one of the 13 Clans, who are now relegated to being merely a (rare) Bloodline.

    And actually, you can help me with this because I am only slowly reading through Cults of the Blood Gods right now, but what is the relationship/status of the Cappadocians/Giovanni/Hecata Clan? When did one...
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  • No they weren’t. They were arguments trying to belittle the symbolism used in every edition, including V5, that made a point of there being 13 Clans. They were silly because of it. I await and see what the official explanation about Clans/Bloodline distinctions will be, but the canon has always had 13 Clans. This is not something that is insignificant in the game, and liking them does not make somebody a 90s Goth or a barrier towards the games’ innovation - so claiming these things has not been helpful....
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  • If you were offended by anything then I apologize, but I thought the arguments against having 13 Clans got silly, especially because there hasn’t been any official statement on the matter. And I’m not the person who thought it sensible to start attacking 90s goths....
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  • Well, it takes two (or more) to tango, but for me, it is part of the game world that has always established 13 Clans. What people choose to read into that is up to them, I guess, but I like the symbolism and it was obviously something that each edition has felt it needed to establish as part of its lore....
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  • So what bothers you is that somebody has a different opinion to yourself.

    On a more serious note (how could it be less serious?), your own attitude to the origins of the game is juvenile. We can see that in the way in which you choose to talk in pejorative terms about it, name calling the people who originally created it and the people who played it. All of which eventuated in the game we have today, that apparently you are a fan of - although I am not sure why, going on all your comments here.

    Baba Yaga has been used as a boogeyman figure in all sorts of media references...
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  • It doesn’t look like you check out others opinions as much as you are projecting your own in this instance. You haven’t actually answered the point that the latest version of Vampire actually, explicitly, refers to 13 Clans still. Moreover, the origins of the game, generally, are still canon - you still have the same original Clans named in the core game, and it is not as if the Salubri, Ravnos or Tzmisce are new either. The simple fact here is that is that the current developers have simply redeveloped what was already existing in the 1990s, but just haven’t explained how there has come...
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  • The last comment is factually wrong. I have merely pointed out to somebody arguing that the Book of Nod could be interpreted as suggesting 30 Clans - that in fact it mentions the 13 Clans by name, so there is no issue of interpretation. That is not asserting that the Book of Nod is factual itself - it is a work of fiction in reality and a book of myth in the setting. It’s a strawman argument to suggest that I said anything otherwise, because I didn't.

    In game lore is just that - it is not a list of 'facts'. However, I am saying that the game’s symbolism has always made use of...
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  • I don’t really see how it is rejuvenating anything. The Salubri were already well established - they were just presented as a Bloodline having a backstory as a deposed Clan.

    You don’t need to track down anything about the Book of Nod, merely acknowledge that nobody is arguing it has ‘factual content’. It is a reference in the game that has always been present, and has been used since V1 as a means of presenting game lore. 13 Clans has always been present too, as a reference point, including V5 that states this throughout....
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  • The same references can be found in the latest edition of the game, released just a couple of years ago. Nice bit of disparagement over the origins of the game though. We’re you actually born in the 1990s, may I ask?

    And in response to your second post, the current development team were not actually the original creators, and your aren’t their spokesperson. Like I say, if they turn around in a couple of weeks and say something that reestablishes 13 Clans again, all these arguments will look silly....
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  • What I have argued is perfectly clear and certainly doesn’t deserve having straw man arguments lobbed in return. At no point ever did I start arguing about ‘facts’ in the Book of Nod. I have consistently referred to the lore presented in it as being fundamental to the atmosphere of the game. The arguments you are presenting right now are silly. If you don’t appreciate the symbolism that was crafted into the original Vampire game, or the biblical/occult references it has then that is your issue, but they have always been with the game....
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    Last edited by Trippy; 11-20-2020, 09:00 PM.

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