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  • Isn't it closer to 30 years of Vampire these days?
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  • Yes, I think Legends seems to be inordinately successful, but it does have a following too, and FFG has a lot of distribution channels due to their board games and high profile IPs ( like Star Wars, etc). They probably just get into more shops than other games do....
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  • Yes - in both cases. White Wolf lost it's shelf presence when it was sold in 2009 to CCP. The Onyx Path was set up a bit later, using online sales, PDF/POD and Kickstarter to generate sales instead, but they never recovered their presence in the wider rog market till V5 was released.

    White Wolf also benefitted from having multiple lines supporting each other - for combined sales. However, the Vampire line was easily the most profitable one. I'd say that Vampire probably accounted for about half the WoD sales (but could be wrong) with Mage very slightly ahead of Werewolf and the other...
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  • And as I said, that is a matter of taste and the use of a pejorative label like ‘edgelord’ is a lazy, non argument in both cases....
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  • Well, one of the things that is different for V5 is that they are publishing it, via Modiphius, through some more traditional distribution means. I'm not trying to knock kickstarter at all, but while there is an upfront amount (which in some cases it quite significant) it's the sales through retail or Amazon that make the difference. It's the distribution chains that allow Wizards, FFG and Paizo to get top positions. If White Wolf/Paradox/Modiphius keep publishing V5 and other lines prodigiously, then there will be an increasing market for WoD games too. Simply by being published, V5 is hitting...
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  • Yes. Published information for retail sales comes out from ICv2, in quarters. The most recent one, in which V5 was released, has yes to come out. So we don't know if its in the top five sellers or not.

    EDIT: They've literally just been released:

    1 Dungeons & Dragons (WotC)
    2 Legend of the Five Rings (FFG)
    3 Star Wars RPG (FFG)
    4 Starfinder (Paizo)
    5 Vampire (
    White Wolf)

    So, V5 has been a hit, but is still behind the 'big three' of WotC, FFG and Paizo (who have dropped off a bit this year because Pathfinder is having a new edition).
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  • I don't mind the textwall, but I won't quote all of it, if that is OK.

    I'll be honest in that, like the term 'SJW', I find any argument using the term 'edgelord' to be the hall mark of a lazy argument these days.

    In the case of V5, it seems as if we are creating an unwritten law that any attempt to present material that may be considered either salacious (which is a frequently just a matter of taste) or transgressional (which is at the heart of the entire horror genre) could potentially be called out as 'edgy'. Some things work possibly better than others, but one should...
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  • To me, the term 'edgelord' or 'parawolf' is as pejoritive and dismissable as the term 'SJW'. I'm not sure that anybody, official, has made any suggestions of what precise changes would be made in a prospective W5 or M5 yet - they've yet to be confirmed they are even happening....
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  • Hopefully, both Paradox and Modiphius won’t take any heed of the negative nellies and keep going with 5th editions of all the new lines. The game absolutely needs a good shake up going on the responses of these guys alone.
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  • Trippy
    replied to Traveling while dead
    Actually, I remember reading an interview with Mark Rein-Hagen in the 1990s where he said that he hadn't in fact, read Anne Rice's books before he wrote Vampire, although the influence was palpable. In the case of Near Dark, as a movie, the visual design looks very similar to the look of the early vampire books. Indeed, some of the Tim Bradstreet art almost look like scenes from that movie. The Hunger has some similar iconography too, as does Nosferatu (obviously). Lost Boys is more camp, but it's referenced in the list of influences too. However, of all the movies - the tone, theme and atmosphere...
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  • Trippy
    replied to Traveling while dead
    Well the movie, Near Dark, which I still feel is the closest facsimile/influence on a the Vampire game, features a nomadic ‘family’ of vampires. They have havens here and there it seems, but spend most of the time travelling in a blackened out van.

    Other means would also including booking night flights or possibly even transporting oneself in a crate a la Dracula himself.

    I think one of factors in making vampires such city dwellers is simply that moving long distances, and the nomadic life in general is so problematic when the daytime is so deadly.
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  • As others have said, there is no news to tell right now.

    A new edition of Werewolf: The Apocalypse was mootedlast year by White Wolf, but they have had a change of management since then. I'm not even sure that Modiphius has a license for anything beyond Vampire, currently, but at least they have a publishing schedule. I suspect they may review how that has gone at the end of they year and then make plans ahead. If V5 does work out for them, it is logical that they'll followup with Werewolf and Mage in due time.

    Personally, I'd be excited by a potential Werewolf game...
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