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[Shakanaka]

I just made a Houserule where you do Dexterity + Permanent Gnosis, against the local Gauntlet level, to step sideways....

[Shakanaka]

But this whole entire thread, we've already gone through why none of what is happening with the Lasombra makes no sense. Nothing about what the Lasombra is doing is planned.

lol

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lolno

How can you still have bad takes on this, at this point? With the Lasombra so heavily disintegrated as Clan per the stipulations on how they must join it, the Lasombra is going to be essentially bloodline status by the time they've finished this forced self-genocide on themselves. Not only that, with so much of their Elders (who coincidentally all should be in Middle-East per the Beckoning nonsense, which makes me question how the Lasombra are completing their objectives demanded of the Camarilla to begin with) meeting Final Death, as a Clan they are going to lose a tons of...

[Shakanaka]

I agree with all of this. I still standby the thought that this lazy route with the Lasombra was done to further sabotage the Sabbat from the Metaplot in general, as well as hamfist to shove the Lasombra unnaturally into the Camarilla... for whatever reason....

[Shakanaka]

Is it possible to play CTD purely as a Fae, instead of having any association with being a Human/Changeling? I just don't like being so heavily tied down to the human aspect of things and what makes me love the WoD franchise in general, is the part where you character is a supernatural being. CTD I feel, has a too much of a weird mix where your human side is so overemphasized in some areas over your Fae aspect; where to a part I just want to be all Fae.

How would being only a Fae and not a Changeling work for the game?

How would CTD function if you change up its story,...

[Shakanaka]

Your list grants me a better scope of how much of a disaster the Lasombra have been done this edition. Thanks for this....

[Shakanaka]

This matches up at least in Laibon society. In there, the Guruthi, which are the "loose cousins" of the Nosferatu, rule the majority of all Laibon Domains throughout the African continent. It was actually a good shake up that surprised me when I read the Ebony Kingdom book. As a matter of fact, the Venture have little-to-no influence over much of Africa at all and the Camarilla tried to ride the waves of mortal European Imperialism to uproot the Laibon, but failed in that matter....

[Shakanaka]

Tzimisce are more about biology and medicine in general, right? I don't think they'd be good at Wall Street, especially considering how social you have to be in that place. All the Ghouls they make and Reverents they have aren't very Charismatic either, but I suppose they can Ghoul some stock guys anyway (they'd need Ghouls or Reverents to manage Wall Street, since its mostly only opened during the day, right?); but still, Tzimisce Ghouls & Reverents wouldn't be as goodly directed in the stock exchange industry than Venture Ghouls would be....

[Shakanaka]

I think with this in mind, he'd be more of a "Hedge Mage" instead of being splatted as an actual Mage....

[Shakanaka]

Geralt is able to use magick?

[Shakanaka]

I fully agree and love the way of how you handled the "Hecata" in your own canon. The problem with the full V5 canon metaplot route, in contrast to yours, is that literally all the Clans that joined the Hecata have inexplicably out of nowhere lost EVERYTHING that has made them unique and everything has been completely homogenized. Not just down to the fluff, but mechanically as well.

The concept of the Hecata isn't something that's bad on the surface. It could have truly been a new Sect, but its a De-facto Clan instead of De-jure like you had it listed out. The Hecata could...

[Shakanaka]

Probably the usual, but much "more more darker" per the usual motto of WoD in general....

[Shakanaka]

No need to take it out on him then, and if you did feel offended by it, there could have been a better way to signal that....

[Shakanaka]

Yeah and if that had actually happened, more numbers for the Sabbat and possibly the Anarchs. Pre-V5 the Camarilla had to pull most of the stops to keep just the Sabbat at bay and barely kept the Anarchs appeased within their own holdings....

[Shakanaka]

Well if you cared about or understood the context of his post, he's talking about the Anansi; one of the most secretive were-changers in World of Darkness next to the Nagah. Usually those types don't live in urban-developed areas or are very far off from where humans live at all. Content for the Amazon in general has been done in Werewolf before anyway, so it isn't a stretch for it to be mentioned in discussion of areas of putting ideas where some Anansi can be located at. There are about 3,600 species of spiders in the Amazon Basin to begin with, it isn't out the realm of plausibility or logic...

[Shakanaka]

That's one of my main contentions with V5 in the first place. Its trying hard to be like Requiem. I have nothing against people who like Requiem, but stuff from it really doesn't need to be hamfistedly sewn into VTM at all. Both games have different audiences that like different things. My like for oWoD over nWoD isn't even one of nostalgia either, since I only got into World of Darkness in general since 2017.

Even then, V5 only has taken game mechanics from Requiem so far, but we're mostly discussing metaplot/narrative aspects here. And ironically to begin with, V5 metaplot-wise...

[Shakanaka]

Lasombra being in the Camarilla, aside from their minority antitribu, makes little to no sense at all. The Lasombra staked their entire honor, prestige, weight, and institutional strength behind the Sabbat and were essentially the defacto rulers of the Sect, with the Tzimisce following as a close second in the Sabbat like how Tremere are a close second to the Venture in the Camarilla.

The Lasombra as whole defecting in a mass drive to join the Camarilla.. is just one of the most stupid decisions in VTM to date right about now. They're guaranteed to become "second class citizens"...

[Shakanaka]

Doesn't make sense. The Venture during the Dark Ages were the defacto feudal lords and traditional power structure of Kindred society. But as time progressed and modernity increasingly became the main paradigm, certain portions of the Venture, who focused on more mercantile functions, started to become the new leaders of Kindred society basically. The Venture who wanted to remain in the old ways of feudalism and traditional power structure joined the Sabbat.

Basically what you described in your whole post, scrapping out Tzimisce out the equation for the sake of inference.. is essentially...

[Shakanaka]

Clearly the entire whole discussion was about Wraiths and the applications on how they should be used, if needed in a Vampire chronicle dealing with Necromancy. Even before you got involved in it, it was pretty explicitly touching base on Vampire/Wraith and its mechanics.

But yeah, sure, you can shift goalposts to your desire and make it seem as if we weren't just discussing Wraiths and its subsequent mechanics entire thread, then just boil it down to "Ghosts" (which.. Wraiths are to begin with.. but again, if want to suddenly move goalposts and turn the logic to a "Lupine...

[Shakanaka]

That's strange on the part of BJD. The Messengers explicitly only imbued mundane humans with no pre-existing contact with the Supernatural at all. Though I guess its at least something on the Imbued, even though its a kinda iffy tidbit. Makes me rest ALL of the oWoD titles got a "20th" lift-up, but that'd never happen anyway..