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[Shakanaka]

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Actually Wraith is the most bashed and underrated gameline in oWoD history. Hunter:The Reckoning atleast got its own game along with VTM....

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I was referencing Godforsaken on this. Some neonate named Kevin actively hunting down "Lupines". Also he had dogs that apparently that could kill Werewolves (correct me if I'm wrong though, he could've meant a name for his minions or something)...

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Well in Chicago by Night V5 they squirted that logic entirely because neonates take on entire packs of "Lupines" by themselves entirely.. apparently.

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Using only pawns for so long can only go so far. For Elders to even survive that long that'd have to be somewhat passable with some combat. Even Elders who don't even use any sort of violence as you suggested would probably have 6+ disciplines anyway.

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Humans are only ever a threat to Vampires in the point where if they entirety of it knew of it (aka nukes). Not by a faction basis- which exactly what the Second Inquisition is doing entirely somehow. Again- the first Inquisition was more of a thread because Vampires were less organized than they were to respond to such an organization. The way the Second Inquisition is hammering down on the Camarilla, they would've went on full warpath mode immediately fullstop. Nothing would be able to stop the Camarilla in that level of militarization. Realistically even the Sabbat would temporarily team up...

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Even with mass surveillance the nu-Inquisitors wouldn't be able to defeat entire cities of Kindred at all. Bullets only do bashing and the Camarilla has a HUGE list of trained of killers who are atleast 400+ years old. They are more smarter than average humans, adapt more better since they even bothered to survive that long, and some Camarilla (aka Alastors) literally hunt down the deadliest Kindred for their entire unlives. The whole Second Inquisition debacle would've warranted a whole wartime effort to smash it down entirely. To a point a an Imperator would've probably assume total military...

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I really don't like the Second Inquisition.. It just feels.. so cliche and horrible. From somehow breaking into Schrecknet, then the Vatican getting involved, then this group of mortals just wrecking everything.. Yeah no. The Camarilla nor Sabbat wouldn't be taken out by such a thing in their pre-V5 unnerfed state realistically (even with the whole Beckoning nonsense, lets be real). The worst egress of this Gary-Stu faction was how they somehow bombed the Vienna Chantry- a magic fortress/university basically that has probably existed longer than all the operators within the SI combined and literally...

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Eh.. I don't really consider Wraiths to be Umbrood despite that, yes, they are technically apart of the "Dark Umbra". Also a Wraith becoming Risen isn't even the same at all as a Spirit fusion since the body their entering is lifeless and has no other occupant. Also Wraith's aren't limited at all when it comes to possession. A master of Puppetry with all dots trained up can literally destroy your soul and steal your body for itself.

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My question is actually feeding from Ghouls- is that really consensual? Because at that point their basically willed to give you their blood....

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SARS-COV-2 definitely wouldn't be something made by Gaia. It was by mankind deliberately. It isn't natural. Most likely something a Nephandi scientist released.

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V5 Predator types don't make sense to me still. This one the most. "Consensualist" is a major redflag for a Masquerade breach. At best you'd better cultivate Ghoul.. Anything else I don't really know. Being shoehorned into one feeding style in V5 is mind-boggling to me anyway and doesn't make sense. Not only that since your in Asia, its going to be VERY hard for you to convince random people if you can "have their blood" as a foreigner outright. Thats how you get reported to the police, getting on the radar.

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I meant like a Spirit from the Umbra with no affiliation with any of the Triat or Gaia. I've read W:TA books before and I distinctly remember neutral spirits that had no real "faction" so to speak- just regular Umbrood. Can neutral spirits fuse with humans?...

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What about fusing with a Spirit into one entity like usual? Is it possible to be fused with a "neutral" Umbral Spirit? (That is a spirt not associated with the Weaver, Wyrm, or Wyld)

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That doesn't make sense at all. Whatever they did was a horrible move and needs to be retconned. A mere boardgame shouldn't change WoD lore. How many of us have down our own tabletop sessions- do the things we do ever change WoD lore? No? Then why should this? Thats not how canon should be maneuvered at all. It should be done booklet by booklet like last time. Even worse they've done this laughable garbage via boardgame, not even proper tabletop. So again, why in the world is this even allowed?

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Aren't the Sabbat 100% against Infernalism of any sort? Actually yeah, I'm pretty sure the Sabbat actively hunt all Infernalists in their Sect. Only a minuscule of Sabbat even bother with the risk of Infernalism and most are indoctroned by their superiors from low rank to not practice that at all. Infernalism is met by a Sabbat Inquisition.

EDIT: Anyway my main gripe about this is basically some boardgame session apparently effected the canon of WoD out of freaking nowhere. Why is that even allowed in the first place? I think thats what everyone has been missing in this thread.

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Can regular people learn to side-step? Maybe from Spirits or learning from ancient tomb of somesort? Also obviously Awakened are not inferenced here since I already know they can side-step with enough Spirit Sphere.

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Touchstones were a bad idea to add to WoD. Should've just left it in Requiem. Just play V20 and call it a day.

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Actually they probably would do an asspull like that at of nowhere to deal with an "inconvenient" plot piece they don't like. Disregarding that though the whole reason why they pulled oWoD out from the "Abyss" so to speak was for us to enjoy the splats again with the whole "Time of Judgment/Gehenna" thing they did out the way. The whole point of continuing on the lore was to ignore all aspects of Gehenna. Doing that to the Kuei-Jin to otherly wipe them out is nonsense. If you want Kuei-Jin to be within the VTM line and have a Time of Judgment-like to deal with them,...

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I agree. He says most Anarchs are on the path of Humanity but says "They are on the Path of Humanity but are by and large a group of murderous marauders and misfits." Those are basically Sabbat shovelheads one of the lowest members of the Sect possible, not Anarchs. Almost all the Anarchs are idealists trying to take down the Camarilla network just 'cuz with no staple reason beside the sect leaders having a political ideological difference. Sure they may have rough character like you mentioned before, but they doesn't really account for most Anarchs. They aren't what you explained at...

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Isn't the difference though now that you HAVE to have a communal Haven now in V5? Or am I misunderstanding it.