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[Shakanaka]

WoD is a freeform tabletop. It most certainly isn't all about romance (lmao) and horror is a given fiat anyways. Also the topic is about Arcanoi nerfs, not accumulating as much as a PC can get.



How is seeing the outcome from one edition not liable to be a metric to weigh when its going to come to the other editions? I'm holding out to see what will they do with Werewolf and if my fears are confirmed, I'll just extrapolate to how Wraith 5 is going to turn out....

[Shakanaka]

Wraith has more themes than the whole personal horror spiel- it had intrigue, empire-building, an eternal war against Oblivion, and a general dystopic feel to it. The only real circumstance of personal horror is the Shadow and the fact that your dead, but like I said before it has ALOT more personality than that. Besides the Arcanoi of 2nd edition were completely fine the way they were and was moderate. Their disruption in Wr20 was unneeded....

[Shakanaka]

Every dot in a discipline pre-V5 discipline system packed numerous powers altogether at once with each progression you made into it. It didn't have the "1 power per dot" crap V5 has now, so saying that only the 6-10 disciplines only "have alot" makes no sense within itself, not the other way around.

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What are you even talking about? Part of the 6+ discipline system by itself was an avenue to show that the abilities of the "Elders" are obtainable and the fact that you can become one yourself. I 100% agree with blailton, what made...

[Shakanaka]

What substitution can be realistically done? The 6+ discipline up to ten made sense before, but for whatever reason it was fudged completely. Maybe when your PC gets "older" you can get access to more better "powers/abilities" to replace your already full discipline dots with? Maybe an "evolution" system of some sort? Regardless removing 6+ Disciplines was a really bad botch....

[Shakanaka]

They killed an ENTIRE family of Kinfolk? Nope, that coterie is bye-bye if you want be realistic about it. It's not going to be just the "pack," but probably the entire sept of the area is going to be tracking down the Vampires. Kinfolk are VERY important to ALL the Fera breeds- not only are they the missive to gain more potential Fera, they are the close families of the Fera itself- probably being some of the Kinfolk being their own father or mom probably. Their going to be tracked to Oblivion and back no matter what. You can string it along with that the Garou haven't found the coterie...

[Shakanaka]

This also depends what part of the Ascension War this cabal of Mages are, but I will assume they are either Tradition or Disparate since the Technocracy doesn't go by "Mage"- only Enlightened(?) individual. Solution: get the Technocracy involved. Despite the Technocracy's apparent goal of stroking out all reality deviation, their main focus are the other Awakened that don't toe their ideological line (Awakened being the term for a Human who isn't technically "human" anymore since they can use Magik/Enlightened procedures) so the Kindred can use that to their advantage, having...

[Shakanaka]

Maxed out Mages? You mean ones with Arete up to 5 or more? At that point you may as well just chuck it up as a loss. A cabal of Mages with that high Arete are almost unbeatable alone- but the tactic you espouse of getting all the Vampires on a bloodhunt against them may work.

In the assault gather a bunch of Brujah with high focuses centered on Celerity- depending on the Paradigm of the cabal in question, their offensive rotes may take awhile to conjure up- leaving them open for attack. Once the Brujah are in close range to the opponents and mobs, the Mages in question should get...

[Shakanaka]

Wouldn't that make Masquerade sell less in the long run? .. or I suppose the brand tag of Masquerade alone would still have it sell out despite it becoming more Requiem and less Masquerade. Also this makes total sense considering the sewn-on of Touchstones, weird discipline amalgamations, Attribute changes, and basic feel of why V5 so is similar to Requiem instead of oWoD style Masquerade.

[Shakanaka]

The whole "Superhero with fangs" talking point is corny nonsense to begin with. Being a Vampire (and the others) comes with the basic fiat that you do have supernatural abilities of some sort and they can get stronger or just stay stagnant depending on how you develop your character if you so choose. But to notion that anyone that wants to explore the other themes of playing these splats than "personal horror" becomes playing it with "Superhero with fangs" is idiotic. The main appeal of VTM and others for me was always the intrigue, jyhadic warfare, developing your...

[Shakanaka]

I don't understand the whole "personal horror" spiel of WoD in general. The whole appeal and appoint of games like VTM, WTA, WTO, MTA, CTO, and others is that you play the ROLE as the horror itself and the interesting abilities, intrigues, politics and rivalries that come with it. What's all this stuff about personal horror that is mentioned everywhere for? What's its real purpose?

[Shakanaka]

Yomi always existed as is in some sort of weird state between the Lower and Middle Umbra, the Yama Kings didn't make Yomi- it was made by the August Personage of Jade. The Yama Kings were part of the Celestial Bureaucracy but turned on their purpose of processing souls regularly, instead opting to harvesting Chi from them. Their the reason why the Wan Xian(?) got corrupted and got cursed in Kuei-Jin. I always consider Yomi to be more of the Middle Umbra however considering how hard it is for Wraiths to even get there and different it is in general from the Lower Umbra....

[Shakanaka]

What's MET Sabbat? lol

[Shakanaka]

I think the reason why the Wan Kuei don't count as Risen is because they never /went/ to the Low Umbra at all, their essence/spirit went to Yomi entirely. Yomi is apart of the Middle-Umbra, which explains the differences of Risen and Wan Kuei. Not only that Risen don't lash out as do Wan Kuei do when they return, they still have all their faculties. Wan Kuei as inferenced before can go on rampages if not stopped by other Wan Kuei to be processed back to normalcy or just killed by a Kuei hunter or something else entirely. As Chris24601 mentioned, the Wan Kuei don't even posses Conduits- instead...

[Shakanaka]

Who in the world made this the general consensus? Since when has any fan of the Sabbat or just Sabbat mains in general thought this would a good idea? I don't think even people who aren't fans of the Sabbat want this lol

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At that point you may as just retnuke the Sabbat from VTM then. That just sounds downright horrible for the Sabbat or any interesting complexities that had before V5. Also bringing in MORE "inspiration" from VTR? Yeah that doesn't sound like a good idea at all....

[Shakanaka]

Yep that's why I only use Arcanoi from 2nd Edition....

[Shakanaka]

I agree with this headcanon.

[Shakanaka]

That can literally be half the clans of VTM though.
Tzimisce are wildly different from the Venture, maybe Old Clan is similar to the Venture.. but other than that I don't see the similarities despite surface level things you mentioned. Actually scratch VTM clans, almost any Vampire in fiction can have those things you mentioned. But the Tzimisce have wildly different modus operandi than the Venture entirely. Besides the Venture nowadays aren't really the lordly type, their more "merchants" now in the Final Nights with their supreme influence and build up in modern corporatism...

[Shakanaka]

Is Heinrich Himmler still alive in the Final Nights?

[Shakanaka]

Yep, the Tzimisce and most of the Sabbat want to usher in the time when Vampires ruled semi-openly before the everything got fudged when they utilized mortal inquisitors to kill eachother- which allowed the manipulated proxied hunters to wizen up to what was going on and begin the "First" Inquisition in the Dark Ages. Atleast from what I remember....

[Shakanaka]

How don't they make sense? It's not as if Vampires reproduce sexually at all. They gain numbers from draining a prospect dry then giving them a portion of their vitae....