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[Shakanaka]

Glass-Walkers will definitely fall to the Weaver soon. Some tribe-members already revere it if you want to Headcanon it....

[Shakanaka]

Wait, so when Fae die a Chimerical death, they go into a whole new body? Also what happens if they face a true death in Mortal form, lets say one night it got caught in the drive-by game Sabbat like to play at with eachother (shooting eachother with live ammunition as a laser tag game)- basically a "Banal" Death. Do they still reincarnate?

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I don't understand Kithian reproduction. When they have children with a human, do they always end up as Kinain? Do some children who aren't Kinain have a dormant Fae nature that will one day begin a Chrysalis?

What about Kithian relationships themselves? What if a Sidhe Princess had a secret rendezvous with a Redcap, is it even possible to have a mixed Kithian that way? A half Sidhe/Redcap? How does it work?

[Shakanaka]

I can explain the Space is in the Shadowlands I would believe just as if the Astronaut would be on Earth. If you mean "Space" in the Underworld itself (which is a different dimension that is accessed by either a Byway or Nihil), that would the Tempest itself. Within the underworld, the Tempest is a 3-Dimensional form of dead Nightmares from the Skinlands, discarded Relics, and many other things that lurk within. Byways cut through the Tempest though which make a path-like division, sorta like Noah from the Bible who parted the Sea with his Staff which allowed the Hebrews to escape from...

[Shakanaka]

Whoops I got confused.

Forces: Everything is correct with Sphere 1 Forces.

Life: I don't know about detecting Undead.. Since Undead are.. Dead. Did you mean whether or not the Mage can sense something is off with somebody who seems to be standing and walking around, but should be dead?

Prime: What did you mean by absorb more than avatar rating of Quintessence?

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Forces: Jerry Seinfeld has Awakened yesterday, but finds it hard to control his Primary Sphere Force on when it takes Effect and when it shouldn't. He keeps perceiving all the energy fluctuations of all the TVs in the apartment complex almost 24/7 and it is deteriorating his mental health. What Seinfeld doesn't know is that Kramer is a Arete 5 Marauder master who was exuberant when sensed he that Jerry was a Mage and has been cultivating his madness subtly since yesterday with Mind 5 and Forces 5 to enhance Jerry's Primary Sphere for his benefit of turning him to the forces of the Wlyd.
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Entropy: Sensing a particular pattern when seeing a teen skateboarding toward himself, Marcus wanting to do a little "prank" coincidentally turns around suddenly just at the right moment possible to make the boy go crashing through a window. This is because the Trenchcoat Marcus was wearing was long enough to shift wind that was carrying rock pebbles that went straight into the kid's eye.

Mind: Johnny Bravo uses Mind to tell if the current girl that he is flirting with likes him or not. The Effect worked, but the girl doesn't like him that much.

Time: With knowing...

[Shakanaka]

Prime Sphere (or influence' by ways to the Technocracy) makes any weapon, unarmed, or regular object be imbued with Quintessence right? Wraiths can soak Aggrevated damage naturally and being prepped with looted Stygian Armor or a Soul-based Armor made by the Master for the Wraith can easily ward off those dangerous Primium bullets... I'd only be very scared of a VE-Tech though- who knows what can they do.. Now that I think about it, I agree- a Wraith would only have to target personnel on field missions really. Trying to solo a construct by yourself is suicide and some big dumb-assery. Though...

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So basically the Wraith should only start ambushing targets with low Arete (not that a Wraith would know the Arete level, but just /knowing/ that the Technocrat is a "grunt") say a mere 2 or 1, they could clock such an field operative after Embodying with a Soulsteel weapon easily right? Mages in MTA can't have a sphere above their Arete level right?

How long could a Wraith begin killing off low-level operatives (say Watchers from the NWO who report Reality Deviations) before they send the big shots after it? Also can you inform what a Wraith can do to resist a Mind Effect?...

[Shakanaka]

Is there any possible way for a Wraith to resist that? What about Fatalism of 5?

Edit: Also don't Technocrats almost always need Foci and don't (but can't because its against their philosophy) use Vulgar magic? What possible ward out of nowhere could an Agent use to stop a very combat or stealth oriented Wraith from getting close to the Installation (Satellite, coincidental Turrent, etc.?)? Beside VE, I thought Technocrats don't use Spirit that much - and if they do, they only ever have it at 1. With an "influence" (Sphere) that low, they would only be able to sense if very...

[Shakanaka]

(I was initially going to post this question on W:TO, but this forum seems more active)

So theoretically a Mage uses Spirit to evoke your character to have a passion [Serve Master X (5)] and orders you to fight the Technocracy, how would a Wraith fare against the fighting against the Technocracy? Reading the 2nd Edition of M:TA it says that Effect attacks that are seen whether coincidental or vulgar can be dodged with a regular Dex + Dodge. What about more abstract things like a Mind 3 to cause the Wraith to go insane or some Matter Effect (since Wraith's are solidified raw emotion),...

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Because of the chronological order in which Lilith was supposedly "banished" from Eden. If we take the (again most Abrahamic stance of V:TM) Lilith was the first /human/ to be sent to Earth. Even before Adam got to Eve according to the mythos of V:tM, he had second one. Ennoia must've been implied to have been born a Kindred since it must've taken centuries before Adam and Eve were finally banished to Earth. Lilith has some excuse since she is "implied" to be Mage so she couldn't used the Life Sphere to stay alive for so long, but Ennoia wouldn't live long by the time of banishment...

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How can Lilith be the progenitor of Ennoia supposedly when all Kindred are apparently descended from Caine? (Which definitely isn't the case for all Vampires in WoD, but Ennoia is an Antediluvian, which means she's 3rd Generation)

Also that couldn't possibly be the case since chronologically Lilith was the first wife of Adam supposedly, but she was cast out for defying him and also supposedly bore Ennoia from the sexual assault that took place due to Adam. That would mean Ennoia would've been the first Vampire, not Caine, but somehow that isn't the case- which would render Lilith...

[Shakanaka]

Even with all the D:TF is still very cool though with amazing roleplay mechanics to draw from. It's just that that the lore of the Elohim while detailed, still left me wanting more. Unlike the other Corebooks in D:TF where they give a brief synopsis of what they think of the other supernaturals, D:TF never had that for the Elohim. I wanted to know whether of not the Fera considered the Elohim as Wrym taint, how the Mages would want to know a much of creation lore from the Elohim, how the Baali would react to actual re-manifeststion of Demons in particular mortals, and how even Fae would react....

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D:TF still doesn't explain anything coherent with the other Celestine forces at play in WoD. How come the Demons never encountered the Weaver as both wanted to help humanity? How come the two aspects of the triat going insane are never addressed at all by the Elohim? How come they didn't react to it? Also why do you assume that the Triat wasn't first? The D:TF still don't know who the Yama Kings are when the August Personage of Jade (The "asian" side of "God" in WoD) specifically had them as Wardens of the Underworld? How come Elohim were cast into the Abyss, but the Yama Kings...

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D:TF still doesn't make sense. How come it has no connection to the Triat at all, when practically almost everything in the WoD is all a semblance of the Weaver, the Wlyd, and Wyrm? D:TF smashes the lore of Mage and Werewolf if you think about it. In each of the books (Weaver, Wyrm, and Wlyd) Elohim aren't mentioned at all. Before the creation of the DTF splat, Demons were High Umbric spirits. D:TF also glosses over the Demons native to the Thousand Hells in service of the Yama Kings too. How come the Elohim in WoD never mention the Wyld since their beings of creation? DTF doesn't specify who...

[Shakanaka]

Is the uniformity of the Abrahamic outlook in Vampire: The Masquerade and Demon: The Fallen.

It doesn't make sense for Caine to be cursed to be the first murderer when his conception was based on the Book of Genesis, which was well after the advent of other cultures, the earth itself, and other mythos of different religions. The "god(s)" of WoD since its based on our own world, would've cursed someone else waaay before Caine was even born. Most-likely an African tribesman would get the curse.. The fact that Caine is the first of the Kindred is strange to me in that regard...

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If I remember correctly from the Jade Kingdom book, it says that Chinese people bury their relatives with "Jade" and thats where Yellow Springs gets it from. I don't how accurate this is in concerns with real life. Even with that in mind, Jade would be extremely rare. Worked jade by Way of the Artisan made into weapons do Aggrevated Damage instead of Lethal I believe....

[Shakanaka]

Can you explain what you mean about the echo part? I'm fascinated by that! Does that mean the newer building will begin underground?

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The Shadowlands is a mirror world directly correlated with the Skinlands, being a full overlap unlike the Underworld which is its entire own realm of existence that is only accessed by Nihils, Byways, or by other means. Reading the rule book (2nd Edition), it says that buildings destroyed in the Skinlands remain the Shadowland. What happens if a new building is constructed in the place where the old building was?

Does the Shadowland version of the building stay, whilst occupying the same space as the new one currently in the Skinlands? Do the two buildings, one in the Shadowlands...