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[Mister_Dunpeal]

Eh. I don't think it's that big a problem by itself - it depends on how you handle it. Even if the particular game spans centuries it's not insurmountable. Heck part of the appeal for that is I see certain parallels between the quest for ascension and VtM's 'Golconda' quest. A struggle between the awakened avatar and the vampiric curse seems like it could be approached in a lot of interesting ways.


Also the 'unaging' quality. It's basically the vampire version of the Fae Blood and kinfolk merits, plus certain other flaws already associated with drinking vampire blood....

[Mister_Dunpeal]

Well like I said if you take a view of 'revisiting' the material (especially with an eye towards connecting it to other stuff) then you aren't really 'rushing' it. It's just the first pass. And revisiting it as I said also gives opportunity for newer users to get involved in past topics they missed.

One thing I've always loved about WoD was the wealth of material to pick over and the complexity. It can be daunting, frustrating, and even contradictory, but its interesting to me to pick over and see what puzzle pieces I might fit together. I've probably revisited various aspects...

[Mister_Dunpeal]

Well the thing about Celerity is that it obviously isn't just pure velocity, the same as Potence isn't just physical strength. Given certain powers like 'projectile' as I said, but also because if you were just moving faster that should argue that celerity (from game mechanics) should also be increasing damage as well as multiple attacks (Force, KE, and momentum will ALSO increase as speed goes up, remember.) Temporis is tied to time manipulation resulting from Vampiric immortality in the revised storyteller handbook, and Time manipulation is about the only way I could think of for most celerity...

[Mister_Dunpeal]

Sorry been meaning to get back to this thread, just lack of time. Pesky real life!



Maybe rather than try to drag things out to prolong discussion, certain past topics could be re-visited? Not everything of course, but BJD is a huge source and it's got tons of little details to wrangle over and could be revisited. I sometimes find that I make new discoveries and connections after a second or even a third read-through, because I start to notice things I might have missed the first time around.

It might be good to start brainstorming a list of topics to re-visit...

[Mister_Dunpeal]

I guess that depends on how you think Fortitude works. I skipped that one because there was no fluff-based motives the way you have Potence being 'half telekinetic' and Celerity being a variation of Temporis. There are powers and descriptions that can HINT at such things, just as powers like 'Fist of Caine' and 'Flick' hint at Potence's being more than muscle power, or how 'momentum' or 'projectile' hint at Celerity being more than just velocity. But lacking those fluff qualifiers I mentioned, it's alot more speculative.

As for the others.. they don't need it? I specifically...

[Mister_Dunpeal]

Could I ask you to clarify whether you and your friends know even in broad terms what kind of story you want to run? Knowing some of the ideas and themes even in broad strokes could save you time in your metaplot research by allowing others to more easily recommend the sources you need. In my experience more information is always better when it comes to these sorts of things....

[Mister_Dunpeal]

I read about that in the wiki but I never read the novels back then. The wiki implied that the novels were contiguous with the New York/Modenr Nights section of Redemption.

Edit: Also you're right about being a Brujah if Christof embraced her. Interesting given the Revised Clanbook mentioning (presumably Anezka described her as Tzimisce.

[Mister_Dunpeal]

Alot of the True Brujah has always felt like there was... way too much going on with them. The time-travel stuff, the 'we're the true inheritors of the antediluvian', being tied to the Black Hand, being opposed to the Brujah (just like the antitribu but not!), etc. Strip away some of that and they might feel more distinctive. For example I never minded the contrast (calm/controlled as opposed to emotional/rebellious) or the interesting idea that Temporis is tied to the vampiric stasis of the body and Celerity is a bastardized version of it. Messing with time in limited/brief ways (or employing...

[Mister_Dunpeal]

Digging out VtM:R to play again has gotten me delving into the WW stuff again, so seeing Christof discussed brings joy to me. I always had a soft spot for him from that game. Apologies for a several-days late reply to this update.


The Clanbook Brujah writeup had its own mysteries to add, too (see below)


What interested me was how Christof suggested the sword he was wielding (Ainkurn, I guess?) was 'a mere shadow' of Dracula's blade because it was crafted by his enemies (who aren't named) to kill him. That kinda implies Durga Syn wasn't involved unless...

[Mister_Dunpeal]

Anatole had True Faith, as did Maria Asuncion from Transylvania Chronicles. So you could in the original game. Not sure about V20 or V5, but it may not be given I've heard the mechanics have been reworked fairly substantially in the latter.

I suppose you could be allowed to have it if the ST agreed to it and you had good reasons for it?...

[Mister_Dunpeal]

Sorry to revive this even if it is on the first page, but I was waiting for approval and I still wanted to share my thoughts.

Anyhow, the original prohibition against Revenant-Mages and Ghoul Mages from Blood Treachery was basically: "It's your game if you want, but this is a bad idea for REASONS." It was a warning against permitting an easy path to powergaming and other rule abuse as opposed to interesting character and story development. And there are good reasons to heed this caution. On the other hand, a powergamer will potentially disrupt things by definition, independent...