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  • Although of course a more in-depth approach is more my style cuz I really dig what is already written, the presentation of the book is excellent, I can really visualize what they made of the sect, and find very interesting ways to use it, even retroactively. Although it lacks a bit of personalities (only some names are mentioned, of importance I only got Lucita and Vykos, but are mere mentions), it helped SO much that much of the book is written out-of-character, so that everything is clear, and straight to the point. The mix was good, because the almost complete in-character way that the Anarchs...
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  • Banu_Saulot
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    Oh man, I'm already loving it. If it was just a rewriting of W20/4 I would be disappointed. But this seems like a good shake up. I'm imagining politics (micro and macro) are gonna get even more interesting, get even more dynamic in the place-to-place struggles. I'll be rooting for it big time, and will want not only to storytell but to play it as well.
    Thanks for the exposition of this, CT....
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  • Banu_Saulot
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    Thin-bloods that want torch Camarilla is a terribly dangerous threat indeed. I wonder if just getting more security for your daily sleep is gonna cut it. And I also if Panders are so progressive as to take-in the Thinbloods....
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  • Banu_Saulot
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    yeah, I like the idea that maybe you need a Touchstone to raise Humanity
    even to get a new or lost Conviction
    But be a necessity to have any Conviction at all I thought as always a bit of a forced situation. I mean, most players I had put a name and two words for the Touchstone, and never even remembered the name of the fella in the entire game. One player really used the Touchstone and made it an integral part of her character, but it was the exception unfortunately. So yeah, I think it should be a path you have to take for betterment, not a necessity for maintainment. I even consider...
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  • Banu_Saulot
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    Table of Content in the new Sabbat book is going like this:

    Introduction 6
    How to use this Book 7
    Storyteller Style 7
    Theme and Mood 7
    Build Your Own Medieval Death Cult 8

    Chapter One: Setting Fire 11
    The Righteous Supremacy of the Blood 11
    Beyond Mortal 12
    Power and Liability 12
    A Church Militant 13
    Shattered Domains 13
    Endless Conflict 14
    Forging Loyalty 14
    Legacy of Brutality 15
    Feeding the Beast 15

    Chapter Two: Apostates of a Cruel Church 19
    Paths of Enlightenment...
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  • Banu_Saulot
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    This soul talk is giving me some Wraith the Oblivion soulforging vibes, which is always good. Each diablerie gives you an obulos in the Shadowland in case your diablerist fellow turns into a wraith fellow, so yeah, it is all about planning ahead and investing. lol

    Addiction isn't supposed to give mechanical bonus, or is it? It should be totally crap to have that, and if the player doesn't want to RP that, or thinks he should be bonusfied by his addiction, then it is talk with Narrator time. But most games do (and I think they should) give only debuffs for any form of addiction....
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  • Banu_Saulot
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    For me it is fun to have something as taboo as it gets in vampire society like diablerie. Without that, what is there? Infernalism? That is a bit too esoteric for me. In some ways both are a deal with the devil, only that diablerie might not have consequences depending on the system or Narrator beyond some bad press, and depending on the sect, it might not even have that. Taboos are fun things to have in a game setting, not too much to have the players feel bombarded by so much things to keep tab on, like a Narrator that is way too demanding with etiquette and social cues (not from the PCs but...
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  • Banu_Saulot
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    Yeah, I've read it on the thread and even ran that on my table by forgot when writing lol (sorry for that)
    But you know it makes more sense than Stains in my vision, after all, for me, when you diablerise a vampire, you're eating his soul (that is the final fuck you), but even if you do it for a cause or the person consents, I believe you also eat another Beast, that fuses with your own Beast, that is lost of Humanity. Okay, this is a personal view, but I believe for most vampires of a Camarilla, Anarch, or Autarkis game, this is true, and that is what most V5 games are supposed to be (according...
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  • Banu_Saulot
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    I try not to bother much talking about thigs I don't use in-game, and Touchstone is one of those, which is a shame, but well, V4- chronicles weren't meant to have them, so I let the PCs have one single boundless Conviction and not have a Touchstone (only if they wanted). Most are a bit carefree I guess, and didn't even bothered much with coming up with one, just as Ambition. Only one player cared to make all of this, but she excels at surprising me and making the game about stories and not the points and optimal victory (which isn't my sole style, but my preferred one), but since she is the only...
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  • Banu_Saulot
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    Talking about Bloodlines... it does make me think it worked into V5 a lot. I mean, we start with 7 Clans (no caitiff and thinbloods though), playable Anarchs and Camarilla.... Sabbat as antagonistic. Beckett helping us understand somethings lol
    Except that Humanity in Bloodlines is kind of ... just there. You kill half the city, guards, security and whatnot, and yet Humanity is 10 (Toreadors are all Golconda-bound here).

    And people will want (as they did) to mod Sabbat and antitribu in the game too...
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  • Banu_Saulot
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    Well, Vampire the Masquerade (and the texts in it kinda say the same thing, even if through the mouths of in-game characters) is a product, and it is written by people with their own tastes, agendas and obligations. For market reasons, for pure personal preference reasons, for biased reason, it doesn't really matter, and it brings good an bad things to the product that we consume (or don't consume 'cuz we dislike it), so in a way we are more discussing what we think and feel about, and not producing an analyses of why it has become something better or worse objectively. So I won't be questioning...
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  • To be honest I do hope they would bring to W5 a bit more of the internal war and hell from the curse of werewolves. Not only make this a Garou Nation against Weaver-Wyrm forces, but permit personal story about a pack of young lupines learning and adapting to their new role as Garou in their turf. That was something I wholeheartedly loved about Forsaken, and do think it doesn't take from thee setting of Apocalypse if taken in.

    And imagine when out of nowhere comes a grim and scared werewolf in your territory that you've been starting to take care for weeks, learning about your new...
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  • Banu_Saulot
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    How would you make the execution of this rolled back Sabbat? The problem was that is was too fast, too out of nowhere, too rough?
    No sass, I'm interested in hearing (not only from MyWifeIsScary)...
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  • Banu_Saulot
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat in V5
    I'm far from thinking they butchered anything here in V5. Sabbat felt a bit too open and cosmopolitan for me in V3 and V4, so seeing them go back to a more obscure and dangerous group for me it's awesome, and I can't wait to see the book. If they just made what the last editions did, with no changes, it would be a re-release, and not something worthy of being called a new edition. But, the degree of how much I'm not using past material but only the current one shows (to me) how much it is working as a new edition (for me).
    So yeah, I'm not all ihaaa, everything is perfect and to my liking,...
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  • Banu_Saulot
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    No dude, I didn't mean to say we were derailing, I just thought it was a funny ramification of the topic. Like "look where we started and where we are now".
    I'm certain pack Ductus or Priest keep a tab of every member's B.Potency and Generation and form meetings about that: "Man... John is legging behind, Mike and Mary are already about 10th Gen, probably some 4th degree of blood thickness, me (Priest) and you (Ductus) are already at the 5th one; we gotta find some elder jerk to pump John up."...
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