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  • The Cult of Shalim and the Drowned, from what I recall seeing in a tweet by Matthew Dawkins a while back....
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  • "I GOT THESE CHEESEBURGERS, MAN!"...
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  • Cults of the Blood Gods.

    I have a need for Hecata goodness so I can finally stat out the only Ashirra Cappadocian known to still be alive in my game. That and the Drowned, as the next part of my chronicle is going to feature the Drowned as significant antagonists....
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  • This feels weird for me, but I'm going to both rebuke and agree with you in a fashion.

    The rebuttal: the SI isn't going to make such agreements on-book and therefore able to be found out by a vampire in two minutes flat, and they're not gonna do it in the office, they're gonna chat somewhere unrelated and do some dodgy under-the-table deals.

    The agreement: the SI wouldn't get the CDC involved because its definitely overreaching. Further, all you need is one CDC officer who cares more about transparency and public safety to have the chat, then tell every media outlet "there's...
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  • Thing is, mortal leaders default to "its been defeated once, mission accomplished, it won't happen again" all the time, over and over again even when the previous hundred threats they thought eliminated have returned repeatedly. And they're not four-century-old anachronistic egomaniacs who think things were better when dissentry made the rounds every few months, the church was executing people for believing the earth was round and it was their right to flay Neonates for even looking at them.

    And in the few cases of the folks who are smart enough to predict the return of...
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  • Wasn't there a line in the Gehenna section of the Book of Nod about Caine returning and ruling for a thousand years during the end times?...
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  • I got the impression myself that the way V5 presents things is that Gehenna is still the Gehenna of 1st through 3rd edition.

    Thin-Bloods are all over the place and Caitiff are ruling cities.
    The fact that there's no more 5+ level Disciplines anymore looks like a form of the Withering.
    And the Antediluvians and their Methuselah kids are calling their descendants to them (the Beckoning) -- and presumably to eat them once they've outlived their usefulness fending off the Sabbat, if one particular excerpt from the Lasombra writeup in Chicago by Night is to be believed....
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  • Unless the Elder is doing the driving in a Hyundai and the police are rigorously checking the identity of every passenger in every vehicle they stop, they're gonna have a chauffeur and be driving the type of car that screams "I'm rich." Which means the cops aren't gonna fuck with them.

    But for that to even be relevant the SI would have to have regular patrol and beat cops in every city and on every highway patrol in its ranks. And that's not how the SI rolls....
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  • For people to be able to find you, they need something by which to find you through.

    Take the following two examples:
    The Elder who doesn't have an online presence and who does everything involving the mortal world involving proxies and puppets who still have solid identities.
    The Neonate who has a huge online footprint, uses an identity that exclusively goes online at night, and discusses Kindred business over unsecure chat while using words that would get flagged by the SI because "fuck the masquerade because tradition makes you a fascist and #killallelders lol!"...
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  • Give it twenty years and all those unhinged Sabbat lunatics recently freed from their vaulderies because Shalim ate their warpacks are gonna flood on into Europe, and its gonna go downhill and become the Sabbat's new playground.

    That's how I predict its gonna go....
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  • I'm gonna pitch in a few points about the Carna split, particularly pertaining to Sect standing, feminism and hermeticism vs paganism.

    On Sect: there's still plenty of Carna in the Camarilla, they didn't wholecloth defect to the Anarch Movement by the canon in the books. If you want wholecloth defections, you wanna look at "House" Ipsissimus, and the only reference to the Ipsissimus being a House is an SI entry which indicates they think ALL demographics of Tremere are bound to one House or another (when in fact the Ipsissimus Tremere are just loners doing their own thing...
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  • I'd think of them as more a sort of "largely oblivious about what they really are while nobody will teach them because they're Caitiff 0.5" kind of vampire. I can't imagine more than a small percentage of them not snapping and turning into monsters after a certain amount of abuse. Especially when they still have many of the drawbacks that turn thicker-bloods into monsters over time....
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  • Unless its the Salubri.

    And even then, if they were still around in large numbers how many Salubri would actually be morally good, instead of doing things like... say... running weird compound cults full of brainwashing and strange blood sacrifice rituals?...
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  • As someone who constantly sees a not-insignificant chunk of the population of his country going "fuck the fact it'll tank the economy" so they can lobby against certain industries due to their connections to certain ethnic, cultural and religious demographics...

    Well, this is in the real world and those industries don't have heinous human rights violations with fangs controlling them.
    And seeing as the World of Darkness is meant to be much worse than the real......
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  • I'll admit I'm semi-inclined toward the Nosferatu vs NSA one (only semi-inclined though because I'm still happy to use it when it can tie into plot for my games), but I definitely agree with you that the Kine are far from completely incompetent halfwits drooling on their own shoulders....
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  • Really? Cause I've legit seen all of one person be at this level on the forums, and that person believed that civilian Ghouls could end SI delta squads without breaking a sweat and that Kindred society would trust hedge mages before the Tremere....
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  • "Protecting all vampires from humanity" is what the Camarilla claimed its goal was...

    But the reality is that the Camarilla only protected their vampires from humanity, and the leaders who made these claims were the very same ones who threw their youngers in droves at the inquisition. Which includes Hardestadt himself, seeing as he would have been three and a bit centuries old at the time of the Camarilla's inception, truly old enough to be one of those Elders.

    Fast-forward five centuries, and the whole point of the Masquerade is undermined by the Elders repeating...
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  • GilbyTheFat
    replied to So, who is Aludian Thex?
    I like it ...
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  • GilbyTheFat
    replied to V5 Player's Guide ETA?
    considering how much material you have in all the other books, making a player's guide would results in a 1,200 page book or something of comparably ridiculous size....
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  • I would if I could (I actually have it on my computer), but the forum doesn't let me attach files to posts ...
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