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  • Well, if you thought about it as much as I have, after breaking everything down you'd realise it's the only reasonable, rational explanation apart from 'The Gods went out for a stroll and...' or "bad writers did it". The former is not particularly interesting to me and tends not to have as much mass appeal and I don't need to explain the latter. The Tremere/Saulot thing isn't particularly attractive from a narrative point of view, nor is it a good justification for the bombing (since there's only so much one can do in Torpor)...
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  • Not even though. If anything, the OoH have the Umbrella paradigm that encompasses all other paradigms which allows for them to co-operate best with any other tradition. A mage of the OoH, through their very broad paradigm, can understand what any other tradition or technocrat is doing. A Verbenna can't make a lick of sense of what an etherite is doing, or what a chorister is doing, or what an akashic is doing, though they might have a small understanding of what the chak's are doing; A Hermetic mage can look at all those things and grasp what's actually going on to a good degree. They might...
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to Thinking about M5
    You know how homosexuals used to use coded language to signal others whilst staying hidden? "mercurial elite" sounds like such slang for a trans person. It doesn't work. Great as his works are, I don't think the VA are trying to emulate Oscar Wilde, but rather establish themselves as the -in-the-now- Technological mages of the Traditions....
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  • The Tremere likely took out all the stuff worthwhile before the "bombing" and then added a search after to make it look more legitimate. Much of the stuff left behind for scavengers is either useless or a trap....
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  • Seducing mortals is cheating on his wife no? Death is the only reasonable recourse.


    Ignoring that; I think, if you only take 1 blood from a seduced victim, I'd let you off. The pleasure of the kiss outweighs the effect of blood loss; they'd only really notice if they were doing intense athletics within the next six weeks.

    I do seriously wonder how a player can justify a character starting at 10 humanity. I normally wouldn't let it happen. You'd need like... 7 points of merits in additional conscience dice or something. Or learn Bardo.. which a fledgling isn't...
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  • This again...

    No aspect of the mythology of Vampire is Christian; Nadda, zilch. It's strictly old-testament. The series pays as much attention to Muslims as it does to Christians, so the "judeo-christian" phrase, coined to basically mean "Abrahamic but without islam" is just the wrong term for the game. The game is more Gnostic than anything (but few people know what that means, so it's not surprising it hasn't caught on). Christianity would give us a nice, benevolent God. Judaism and Gnosticism give us what we've got in the WoD.

    The first two editions...
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  • The requiem idea sounds fine. I haven't played, so i can't say much
    I really liked the way VTM used to do it.

    The V5 system is really the worst of both worlds; Too alien to really be you like in VTR. Too omnipressent to really be something you can strive to control like in VTM (not to mention this combination really strains on the masquerade more than other editions)
    If they had kept VTM's heast as it it would have been better, if they went full VTR (I'm sure there would have been complaints) it would have been better. But... they did what they did, and it works for...
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  • Ah, I see your primary mistake.

    The players killed their opponents with bestial successes on a -would be- incapacitating shot. They aren't knocking vampires out nicely and executing them, one of them is at least shooting his foe till he goea down, and the beast got him carried away at the end.

    now, in most people's books, riddling someone with bullets is not a safe way to incapacitate someone. The character must have used his weapon with good understanding that his opponent could reach final death from 'overkill' even if we don't take into account the beast. In most...
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to Inhuman(6+) traits?
    Inhuman attributes and how they react to others should depend entirely upon how you got them; Vampires? You look the same as you did upon the embrace even if you gained five dots since then (I Forget if blood buffing had visible signs or not) Investment? , even the less malicious demons are gonna give you some strange paradox-like effects. Mage trick? Ditto. Genuine human enlightenment? That has the potential of being all benefits.

    You can perfectly achieve a 9 in your physical, social or mental rating through enlightenment, or you can get messy with magic(k)al improvements....
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to Thinking about M5
    But a big bunch of them are into Trinary so I don't think that'll work for them.

    if this was a decade and a half ago I'd consider... brace for it...

    "The Mage L33t" or M4G3 L33T or something fucking stupid. Maybe they could call themselves the Toy Boys....

    Tech wizards is pretty timeless. I dunno, maybe in 30 years or so the youngins won't have that in their language, but I think Tech Wizards would've worked since... the 80's right? All the way to now. So it's got staying power in a field where everything changes really fast....
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  • The st gave the players agency to faithfully play the character's lack of agency.

    I know, I know; a lot of people aren't good at distinguishing between the two. But we really, really shouldn't reasonably want players to control their beasts as if they were just the normal characters but a bit more emotional. That's not what the beast is. you're acting like the players did bad because they didn't use their control over the beast to put the gun down, run to the nearest church and pray the day away. a character is not his beast even if the player has agency over both (unless we're discussing...
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  • It wasn't them, it was the Beast. "Unfortunately this simple fact seems to elude your comprehension though"

    And in V5, the only way to mitigate the beast is to drain a motherfucker to death each night. Having a hunger die or two is the humane way to play....
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  • So you want players to cheese things with unintentionally funny monologues? There are only so many hours in the game.


    Did the characters kill people? yes. They get stains for that.
    Did the characters break chronicle tennets? No. They were victims of an unavoidable beast seizure. They could have reasonably done very little to mitigate that. The beast took control, it wasn't your fault, it did a thing that was slightly worse than what you were already doing. No stains. Quite frankly it doesn't matter if you shoot the guy in the head a couple of times or if you use a...
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  • We're talking about a the beast taking control of their characters. The players were rollplaying choices they didn't want to make. "Oh your character lost control to the monster inside of her and as a player you thought it fitting that the monster chose to do this heinous thing rather than a less heinous thing you totally could've done- Shame on you" doesn't fly for reasonable people.

    I can only conclude you came to this assumption by seeing that i've flatly disagreed with you now and before and now want to imagine me as a silly caricature so that you can reassure yourself...
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  • This is wrong
    If you encourage your players to rollplay their beasts lightly and harmlessly, they won't rollplay the beasts at all....
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to Thinking about M5
    It still kills me that the virtual adepts aren't calling themselves Tech Wizards
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  • A RL creep playing a lasombra is not a problem. I'm more bothered by the lasombra illustration on the clan page. That sideboob is nightmare fuel....
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  • When characters lose contol due to something they couldn't possibly forsee, It's wise to be leniant.
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  • The garou are wasteful.

    sometime during the early modern era, some militaries had to ban dueling between officers because they were killing too many capable leaders. It posed a notable problem.

    Garou will never ban duels.
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  • No, no, no. Stop the Toreador poetry, you're just confusing people.

    in Vtm the beast isn't your Id on steroids. It's a spirit that takes route in the heart of every vampire. It's a foreign entity that comes with the blood. you could hypothesize the beast is just a grossly mutated aspect of someone's sleeping avatar, or if it's a foreign entity that has fed off you to mold itself; at the end of the day, it's not a fucking metaphore; it's not your character's pent up desires. It's not your first mate that helps you acheive your goals with a firm hand, it's a mutinous high jacker that's...
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    Last edited by MyWifeIsScary; 08-01-2020, 12:23 PM.

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