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  • The Followers of set always had front cults that weren't "SNAAAAAAAAAKES"

    Some thoughts;
    The City gives free reign for batman to go around causing trouble in other people's domains, because he doesn't kill anyone, and because the damage he does actually works to the advantage of the local kindred population: Prices might go down, Insurance goes up, certain businesses and market prices are effected, windows are broken and so many other conditions occur; The vamp playing "Gordon" knows these things and actually facilitates batman raids with the criminals,...
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  • No, no, no. You should write for the perspective of the OP, who has played V5 and that is his reference point to look at V20, don't do it the other way round

    * Banu Haquim: The Assamites (who aren't called the Banu Haquim, which is a very strange name for them given half of them hate Haquim and the other half reject the influence of Islam) were a clan with three bloodlines and a rich history; with some converts, they formed a sect. This sect recently had a schism when a Methuselah woke up and told them to purge foreign religions and worship haquim and diablerie or die. The Sorcerer...
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  • The archaic Tzmisce still see themselves as a high clan and are likely to disdain the use of Rats, which is more a nosferatu specialty. That might not be true for the degenerates in the Sabbat, who are both the most likely to want to make a Vozhd and the least likely to be capable. Personally, I prefer hordes of dogs, with the only downside being that everyone else prefers hordes of stray dogs. Given that hordes of dogs are still used today by rural elites as a part of fox hunting, it fits the Tzmisce quite well.

    Quite sadly, there's more privately owned tigers in the United...
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  • Meta I know but literally every generation could drink animal blood pre-v5, and, well, that's a 4:1 ruling before we include dark ages games. You should also note that a thousand of years ago, putting no dots into generation meant that instead of starting at generation 13 you'd start at... generation 12. So, perhaps, a thousand years before then you might start at gene 11. At 1000bc, we're now talking gen 10, and anyone who puts five dots in is a 5th gen. This is of course assuming that this is a linear development; it's probably not. As in the DA, being of the 13th gen was considered a flaw...
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  • V20 has simpler disciplines, simpler factions, simpler character creation, simpler humanity, simpler backgrounds, a more honest assessment of easier-to-use skills, but more complicated combat (House rules: Ignore initiative phase, and take half for damage/soak do a lot to cut down on combat, which is largely intuitive but very slow) I'd argue that the disciplines and factions are better written too, and though I acknowledge that's a subjective thing, it'd be a hill I'd die on.

    The only problem I'd say is that V20 presents all all the major clans and their disciplines as equal, when...
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  • Before you are presented to others, your sire is free to kill you, and you don't count against his request to embrace. - How I imagine most princes interpret things.

    Undead rabbit
    While the Lasombra no-doubt are going to have one of the highest rates of dead childer, that's a pep-talk; it's propaganda, and can hardly be considered a definitive source for Lasombra attrition rates.



    Funny enough I imagine their Rivals, the Ventrue, probably have the lowest possible attrition rates among the clans; Pier reviewed selections for a limited number of slots,...
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  • A big question is how much of a "Masquerade" do you want for this? (Or other-splat equivalent). Batman is relatively low-key compared to even the milder forms of Superman.

    Given "world of darkness" I like the Idea of a Malkavian Batman that drives people mad and turns them into his comic-book enemies; the overwhelming majority of Batman Villains are, after all, mad, kinda like how most of spider-man's enemies are either scientists or engineers or own a company focusing on science and engineering.


    Perhaps not malks:
    Penguin should be...
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat thread
    You ever watch horror movies and get the sense that the victims could just beat the shit out of the antagonist if only they stopped the melodramatic panic? The scary part of Vozhd is the Potence and Fortitude, and the part where they dont bleed out due to being a ghoul. If it werent for the Potence, it wouldnt have the strenght to stand and practically, it should have a lot of difficulty mustering its natural strength being an analgam of 20 people rather than one giant with the might of 20 people. Like if I was playing a character that had 4 potence and 4 fortitude and just blood buffed to 6,...
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    Last edited by MyWifeIsScary; 04-09-2021, 04:59 AM.

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  • A Vampire is a human who has trapped a Beast. A wight is a Beast who has trapped a human soul.
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  • I imagine a city Dominated by Malkavians, playing a play they've been playing for near a hundred years.
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat thread
    Look at this crazy fool trying to get us back on topic. Who does he think he is, a Mod? HA.

    What I think they've actually done is removed the Sabbat and folded their stuff into the other sects; The Cam are now OPENLY religious and the Anarchs are a little crazier sometimes. Also the Cam have the Lasombra and they might as well take the Tzmisce. The Sabbat might continue to exist in the form of terrorists, but that's... eh.

    So, things that could be done.

    A- roll things back, but that's not worth discussing so let's move on.
    B- The Sabbat have actually...
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat thread
    You should also consider the logistics of fielding a Vozhd in comparison to alternatives. You don't win with Tiger Tanks, you win with T-34s. Sure, A Vozhd may win one-on-one with a ghouled bear, but in the time you spend gathering enough people and crafting them all together, you can find more than enough bears to take the Vozhd down. Maybe climate change'll fuck the bears up and perhaps in the future it'll be substantually easier to acquire cheap human lives rather than a semi-mythical bear, but for now it's just so much easier to ghoul a Bear, or even a hippo, than to assemble a third of...
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  • Mental illness does not cause funky eyes. Magic in WoD generally follows the path of least resistance; fancy light shows don't appear everytime you cast a spell, you just cast a spell. With this in mind, why would a magical malkavian weakness, which effects purely the mind, have physical characteristics to tell everyone somethings happening? Side-effects like paradadox and formori ugliness are side-effects for useful, possitive powers that go against nature, while the Malkavian weakness is itself a negative item that isn't going to manifest an additional negative item to balance it out. Especially...
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat thread
    The mechanics for flesh-crafted armour are... eh... not good. That and I don't imagine it actually working that well to just re-allocate bone and tissue like that. You'd be better off sewing a few kevlar vests together for the bear. Maybe add a few spikes coming out of the vests. A Ghouled bear is extremely dangerous. Not enough to challenge a Garou, but certainly enough to kill a few neonates that haven't had the time to prepare....
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat thread
    I have it so that Tzmisce can inflict lesser versions of Horrid form on others, but because you're essentially canibalizing vitals to put muscles into overdrive At +1,+1,+1 the Ghoul is stable, though a mortal might die of complications given a good amount of time. At +2,+2,+2, A Ghoul will die -soon-, while a mortal just can't take that kind of stress on their body. Vampires can be Horrid formed (You need direct access to their heart to do this) but they heal it each night, and it requires willpower to bestow it. Through this method Tzmisce could be more competitive with Lupines in times of yore,...
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  • Teresse does not. It's contacts or obfuscate.


    I don't know about goths because I'm young and sweet, but I don't think i'm stepping to far outa line to say malks and goths probably overlap slightly more than goths and other clans (maybe Toreador compete?). an odd contact isn't entirely uncommon among goths....
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    Last edited by MyWifeIsScary; 04-08-2021, 11:17 AM.

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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat thread
    Ghouled horses work amazingly for cavalry and poorly as their own monster. I didn't mention Bears because, well, they're a staple and it's rather easy to forget about them, and we're largely discussing history for the modern context of Sabbat going wild. Bears are common, and though you might go 'OH SHIT' if you found one strutting around the inner city, they're common enough in north america (supposedly where most Sabbat reside) that it wouldn't be terribly groundbreaking for a Bear to appear in the suburbs. A Hippo, on the otherhand, is going to come from a zoo, or perhaps a cocaine king's...
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat thread
    I don't imagine they'd show up on battlefields. But a skirmish between fiefs? sure. That're too big to really ambush people all that effectively, and you could instead ambush people with normal monsters so... Also, like, I really do question the need for guns. You can't armour these things if they're of any scale, given the square root law. Without armour, bows are likely to do a lot of damage, and if you can get to them, spears are likewise excellent weapons for fighting giants.

    The lupine question is an interestiing one. Because yes, they might be a good distracting -tank- while...
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat thread
    Hellhounds/MonsterHippos/spiney snakes>>>>Vozhd.

    It's a big, slow target.
    would've been outdated just before 1500. An era of gun and spear; Vozhd don't have a chance. NE europe, where the majority of Tzmisce are from if we ignore dracula (and we should) and pay attention to all the Polish/Russian terminology the clan has used. From Poland to Russia, everything's flatter than my career opportunity in china after covid hit. Hills are happiness and that's why we're all depressed here. A big monstrosity mashup of twenty people or so, on such open terrain, is just...
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  • MyWifeIsScary
    replied to [V5] The Sabbat thread
    The nos have always been portrayed with this idea that a couple will be up on the surface interacting with the sect and essentially become the face of the clan, another couple will very rarely interact with the sect, and the last couple just won't show themselves to other vampires.

    The Kiasyd, few that they are, trade favours to be left alone. The Harbringers are all elders so they hang out with elders and elders generally don't engage in a good chunk of sabbat shit. The BB aren't considered vampires by the sect, much like the Cam (or at least the Tremere) treat Gargoyles
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