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[Kharnov]

I mean, he doesn't look monstrous until you see Lillian's face embedded in his chest, that's pretty monstrous to me even if he still looks beautiful and human otherwise.

But I get what you mean. IIRC Damek Ruthven only used his Vicissitude to increase his size, but otherwise looked as human as any other vampire....

[Kharnov]

It's worth noting that "monstrous/inhuman" and "beautiful" are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Sascha Vykos is statted with more than 5 dots in Appearance but has generally been depicted as quite inhuman looking. My understanding is that plenty of Tzimisce try and appear both monstrous and beautiful, more beautiful than is humanly possible even, through Vicissitude.

All of them are trying to find a "perfect form," but they have different criteria for what that means. There are as many trying for angelic beauty as hideous monstrosity; what tends to...

[Kharnov]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think that, hahaha.

Otherwise, depending on the Gifts the Garou in question possess, the best answer seems to be some kind of situation where it can use its ability to fly to it's advantage, like being able to drop bombs or something on Garou that are pinned down and unable to reach it.

Really, it seems like the best way to make a Corax a threat to a group of Garou is a situation where the Corax can manipulate someone else into doing the scrapping with false information, or hitting the Garou indirectly through institutions.
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[Kharnov]

Don't really have much experience with Werewolf, so in a lot of ways this list is probably influenced as much or more by what people have said here on the forums than on actual play-time, but here goes. I can't really sort them into a neat tier-list from favourite to least, so my top five are going to be sorted alphabetically rather than ranked numerically.

Bone Gnawers: My preferred choice for the city-wolves. Pragmatism, solidarity, and class struggle themes? Sounds great to me! Also cool that they are city-wolves without making that their main identity, but rather just an extension...

[Kharnov]

In my limited experience as a GM for tabletop games, most of the players that I've had haven't had a great time when I've offered them an open sandbox and expected them to proactively seek out stuff to do; they tend to want some direction. It's a bit of a blind spot for me, because that's what I personally consider ideal as a player. Of course, most of the players I've had have been pretty new to TTRPGs, so that may have been a factor.

When it comes to "Plan A," I would try to come up with a wide array of options for the players to get involved with depending on their interests....

[Kharnov]

I actually like the idea of not having the Gehenna cycle line up with the Ages of the Great Wheel, because it feels a little too neat to have *everything* fit under one teleological tent. But I do agree with your criticism of the Gehenna cycle, where it's either a "cycle" that has only had enough time to spin two or three times in the entire span of human history, or you have a really hard time figuring out where to fit the extra Gehenna events into the established history of the setting; it's one of the main reasons I haven't really been able to decide how I want to handle Gehenna in...

[Kharnov]

I've discussed this a bit before, but I tend to stick with the Ravnos Antediluvian being slain during the Week of Nightmares, both because it's the "canon" answer and I like to stick with the canon when possible, when it's not openly contradictory or intentionally left undecided, and because I prefer the Antediluvians to be "just" super-powered Vampires rather than automatically being transcendent beings or cosmic powers. Having one of the Antediluvians be destroyed fits that conception of their abilities; immensely powerful, but not omnipotent or omniscient.

I've...

[Kharnov]

I had an idea for a Tzimisce anthropologist that would use Vicissitude to live among different human populations as if they were one of them in order to study them, even mimicking aging over time in order to blend in, until they eventually left when it came time to fake their death, only to come back with a new persona or find a different population to study if they were finished with that group. Still a little detached, but way more empathetic than the typical Tzimisce....

[Kharnov]

I admittedly haven't read the original Tzimisce Clanbook (yet), so maybe it goes more into this idea, but "alien" has never been the way I have viewed the Tzimisce mindset, because Alien is fundamentally Other, whereas a Vampire is only somewhat Other. I went over this a bit in one of the previous topics discussing the Tzimisce, but while they may lean more into their vampiric nature than most, they remain intrinsically tied to their origin as a human being; that influence may fade over time, but less so if they have to continue mingling with humanity in order to meet their needs and...

[Kharnov]

This is a topic that definitely has a range of opinions.

One the one hand, you've got people like CTPhipps who are really into the Dark Ages depiction of the Tzimisce as Dracula-types and have an extreme dislike for the Modern Nights Tzimisce that focus predominantly on body horror and squick.

On the other hand, you have a lot of Tzimisce fans who consider Vicissitude the single most important and interesting aspect of the Tzimisce, and will go "what's the point even?" if you try and imagine the Tzimisce without it.

And then you've got folks like...

[Kharnov]

I had never heard this before either! Thanks for the new info Black Fox!

It looks like it was in the original Players Guide to the Sabbat from 1992, dunno if it ever got referenced again. Vestgeir gets a brief mention at the bottom of the wiki page, doesn't even have his own: The Players Guide to the Sabbat | White Wolf Wiki | Fandom...