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  • Going to have concede this one. If anyone would be able to manipulate nothingness, the Tames of the Void would be able to. Still feel like you should be able to do something with something that is Nothing, but I am unable to present a coherent argument as to why I feel that way. So, I’m going to let it rest.

    Ah, Fate was the missing piece. Thanks. Perfect spell for a Mammon Mage.

    Yeah, but there is limited space in a book. They can’t put everything in there. That’s not strong argument that something cannot be a perfected material. I think. Frankly I would read...
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  • What about cold then? It’s an absence of heat. That’s a physical absence Death covers. Also fire is a material, by the games logic, even though it’s not in real life. I don’t know, it seems like less of a reach because it’s something lacking a gross arcanum. (Which seems to be something all the Death materials have in common, could be something I’ve forgotten though) (On a side note, how would someone transfer debt through Supernal Magic, because that seems like a thing one should be able to do.)

    …I’m not seeing a line saying that it’s impossible to perfect other...
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  • This was going to be part of my previous post, but accidents happened.
    Even if they resolved it on Earth, doesn’t mean it’s resolved in Space. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was mentioned that these problems still persist in remote environments.

    I don’t know what they would think about me. I think violence is wrong, or at least a poor solution to problems. It tends to create even more problems and violence, which is not a bad thing to Arrow, since they believe in growing through struggle, but is not acceptable for me. I think that sometimes there aren’t any other...
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  • Accidentally tapped post before I was ready
    No. Not for this. The Aeons are in my mind, a very last resort. I’d love to visit them sometime, and speak to their servants, and learn from them. But their bargains will cost more, much more than a Dynamics spell.

    … can you tell me of them? I don’t have the Arrow book, and they don’t seem in 2e yet....
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  • “Is the domain of Dynamics”, so very much out of reach.

    Alright let’s see, off the top of my head: is void a symbol -> is void a material like shadow is for death -> does the interstellar medium count as void (there is technically stuff in it)-> can there be perfected void -> do patches of it exist in the interstellar medium or galactic voids like perfected metals do sometimes in ore -> what occult properties does perfected void have
    Is there resonance in the void between stars -> is it plentiful because there is a lot of void, or is it thin because...
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  • New question:
    I remember the long term nimbus itself being untouchable, but is it possible to weave other effects in addition to it, or have an effect spread like a long term nimbus? Or is it completely outside of a Mage’s reach?
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  • I’m fine with there being void. Personally I’d love to examine the symbols of the Heliopause, and I’m still really curious if one can manipulate near total void with Death. Frankly, there are tons a magical experiments one can do with complete void. Heck, maybe there are Hallows in the void. Granted the Mana those generate probably would in no way be safe.

    Even with a very generous estimation for how fast I can get a ship to go, I’m probably looking at at least 40 year journey to the closest star system. That is a rather long time. The best way to deal this with seems to...
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  • Yeah, any character I do this with will be way better at this than me, that’s for sure. I just have my basic physics understanding, but it’s fun to try to do this. I’m leaning towards wanting Time 2 so I can do precise motions, and I can set up the majority of spells in advance.

    Well, nothing says I just have to use only one type. Hmm I’m going to have to do so more math to figure out exactly how much momentum I need, and it’s relative amount compared to the Earth. Also I feel inexplicably guilty about stealing momentum from the Earth. I know this is pretty much how Gravitational...
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  • Yeah, I’m *really* not thrilled to use these because they really complicates matters, but at the same time, they were the most effective of my apparent options for interplanetary and interstellar travel. Honestly seems especially easy to screw up, and that would be extremely bad with this amount power. That said, a perfectly stationary orbit could be useful somehow....
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  • Yay, I though it was fine, but sometimes I just feel like double checking. I don’t know why but vampiric healing necromancy seemed like it should be a thing.

    Wait…What? Time can do that?…Wow. I guess I never thought about transferring causality of events before with Time. Time is way broader than I thought. (Granted, Time is my second worst Arcanum in comprehension)

    Probably. I mean, that’s pretty much how I think I would use Forces in game, Force, Light, and Gravity are my favorite Forces. I’d also use Forces veiling to block light pollution whenever I wanted...
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  • New questions:
    1)Is damage done to a living creature under Deaths purview?
    1.5)Can I move the damaged area, like changing Leg Wrack to Arm Wrack?
    2)If I have damage to my pattern, would it be possible to transfer that damage to someone or something else, effectively healing the damage? Kinda like transferring charges between batteries, if damage was charge.
    2.5)Can I do that with just Death?
    3)Can I transfer momentum between two subjects?
    4)Can I redirect my rotational velocity around the sun, or galaxy as a means to gain a rather high velocity quickly?...
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  • … the Dark Eras aren’t translated? Oh, well, they Really, Really should be, because they are great. I suppose that makes sense since Mage itself isn’t translated. And Mage probably is very hard to translate due to it being very complicated at times. But still, that sucks.

    Edit: I reread the original post for this thread. I’m silly, because you said which books are going to be translated.
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  • I have a feeling you will be very interested in the contagion chronicle’s player guide. It has the basic crossover information for everyone, and something like two thirds is details on how mage interacts with other gamelines. This information is not is any Mage books. Or at least, not to anywhere near the same level of detail.

    And this is where things get complicated, fast. (Warning, I’ve only read a bit of Demon) The God-Machine is well hidden, even to Mages. A Mage might find a piece of Infrastructure, but there is no guarantee they will understand what they are seeing is something...
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  • Thank you for sharing!
    *reads the MultiplicityAndMe blog, particularly the parts about getting fired and getting unpleasant messages from strangers and not-strangers* Well, now I am sad. I guess I forget how awful people can be sometimes....
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  • Umm. Random thought time but, but what does someone’s astral form look like if they have Multiple Personality Disorder or Dissociative Identity Disorder? Is it based on the current personality or are they both (or more) represented at the same time?
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  • I bet with relevant Arcanum, you can modify the process, so you don’t need those things. Certain fuels are cheaper than others, so maybe a exchange rate might be warranted....
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  • Wow. I had forgotten. Thank you. This was a very clear and detailed answer....
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  • I mean, they do earn their powers. If you fail the challenges of the supernatural vision you get in order to awaken, you don’t awaken. Now the vision is effectively random from a outside prospective, but you can’t say that once a Mage gets that opportunity, they didn’t earn their power. This isn’t a d&d sorcerer we are talking about. And yeah, they *are* better than others. That’s the problem, it’s hard to empathize with others when you can *prove* you are better than them. That’s the point. Mages are, or become awful people, not because they are inhuman monsters, with monstrous...
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  • If you are interested, I found what I was talking about. It’s a bit less than I thought.


    That’s disappointing.


    This probably going to restart this debate again, but I’m not sure I see the problem? The effects of food seem Lasting. Maybe it does create some new material, but not much. Otherwise spells like Lodestone wouldn’t work because they require the creation of Force.


    That’s what Space is for!

    Oh, right. If there every was going to be a problem with Space, the vast distance and difference in environment...
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  • Thank you for responding!
    Hmm. Wasn’t there a thought experiment on these forums where someone created a “Null”, or a thing that was no thing? Maybe similar principles apply? Possibly a bit of a stretch.

    I think Death or Matter is essential for this project. Life might be able to suffice for food and water, but that’s more long term spells that risk Rapture, and I’m pretty sure Life can’t make you immune to breathing. At least, I’m unaware of any creature that doesn’t require the intake of something as breathe like. (Not a Biologist, if there is one, my bad)...
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