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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    See, this right here is my problem with the by-the-book take on the 9-alignment system in a nutshell. When Lawful is defined by holding the rules in high regard and Chaotic is defined by not holding the rules in high regard, it’s impossible to meaningfully define Neutrality between them. Likewise Good and Evil. It’s just this nebulous “somewhere halfway between the two.” But what’s halfway between caring about something and not caring about it? Caring a little bit? Where do the lines lie between caring about something too much or not enough to count as Neutral? If it’s a spectrum,...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    I guess I don’t see other context as necessary to make clear that we aren’t in disagreement. I posted saying that Lawful Good characters can recognize that not all Law is Good and unjust laws shouldn’t be upheld, and you posted, ostensibly as a counterpoint, that Lawful Good characters don’t support unjust laws... Without any other context, I don’t see what about my statement you were intending to counter. Did you assume that I meant the character would only recognize the injustice in certain laws but not act on that recognition? Wouldn’t the fact that I was offering it as a counter...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    Not really. It still sounds like you’re saying the same thing as I am in different words. This is what this exchange has looked like from my perspective.
    Nyrufa: A Lawful Good character (as opposed to a Chaotic Good one) would follow the law even if it was unjust.
    Me: That’s really more like Lawful Neutral. A Lawful Good character believes that Law is important, but they don’t support unjust laws.
    You: Um, actually, Lawful Good characters ONLY support MORAL laws.

    I literally don’t see a difference in what we’re saying, other than the phrasing....
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    One thing that’s cool about 5th Edition is that a decent chunk of the rules are are available for free. If you want to try it out before committing a lot of time and money, check out the free Basic Rules first.

    Races available in the Basic Rules are Dwarf (Hill variety only), Elf (High variety only), Halfling (Lightfoot variety only), and Human.

    The PHB races are Dwarf (in Mountain and Hill varieties), Elf (in High, Wood, and Dark varieties), Halfling (in Lightfoot and Stout varieties), Human (including a variant option), Dragonborn, Gnome (in Rock and Forest varieties),...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    Err... I’m not entirely clear if you were intending to counter my argument, but this is exactly what I was saying, although perhaps phrased a bit more eloquently.


    That’s quite a bit broader than my interpretation of LN, but that’s fine. Clearly sharing my interpretation only invites argument so I’ll drop the subject.


    Being able to recognize that not all Law is Good and that unjust laws shouldn’t be upheld is an overly simplistic view and more LN than LG? Huh? Even under a very by the book interpretation that doesn’t seem right....
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The Critical Role Thread
    I really like her characterization. Nothing against those who don’t like her as much, I just find it a little surprising how consistently I’m hering people say she hasn’t grown on them yet, while I really liked her from the first episode and still do. I love how butch she is.
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The LGBT Thread II
    Making steps? Yes. Achieved equality? Not even close....
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The LGBT Thread II
    There has never been a tolerance policy on which to do a 180. Queer rights are still an ongoing battle....
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The LGBT Thread II
    I never insinuated that you don’t face predjudices. This isn’t a contest about who’s the most oppressed, but don’t dismiss the issues facing LGBTQIA people, even in the US where yes, we have made a lot of progress, but there are still a LOT of VERY serious issues that we face. Do not dismiss them just because you, a bi curious cis man, don’t see them.


    I am not the least bit surprised by the reaction of conservative folks to flamboyant displays of queer pride. We don’t even need to be flamboyant to get such a reaction, so why should we give a warm shit that they...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The LGBT Thread II
    Easy for you to say as someone who doesn’t constantly get dirty looks for their appearance, doesn’t constantly have their identity questioned, doesn’t struggle to find a job because of their gender, doesn’t have to be afraid for their physical safety in public restrooms no matter which one they use, doesn’t have their sexual preference used as a synonym for uncool, doesn’t have to use a name and pronouns they aren’t comfortable with in certain company, doesn’t have to deal with questions about the status of their genitals from strangers, doesn’t have to prove their identity to...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The Critical Role Thread
    I feel like I’m the only person who really likes Beau.
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The LGBT Thread II
    ಠ_ಠ

    I’m sorry you had to deal with that....
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    The Disney movie where he was a fox, Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, the 2010 one with Russel Crowe, The Adventures of Robin Hood with Eroll Flynn, even Robin Hood: Men in Tights all feature Robin as loyal to Richard the Lion Hearted and intending to restore his rightful claim to the throne when he returns from the crusades. King Richard is nearly as central to the pop culture concept of Robin Hood's story as Maid Marian or the Sheriff of Naughtingham.


    Being dismissive was not my intent. I've said many times now that I'm well aware the way I run alignment is contrary to what's...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    Yes, and that is what I use it for. But a character's alignment doesn't have to dictate their actions for it to work this way. In fact, it should do just the opposite; how you behave should determine what afterlife you end up in, not the other way around.


    That's fine, but that should be your decision as a player. If you want to let your alignment determine your character's actions, knock yourself out. I, as a DM, am not going to tell Johnny he's not allowed to use poison because he wrote LG on his character sheet and therefore that's not something his character would do. It's...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    I see. Personally, I prefer to assume that characters are rational actors, regardless of their alignment. Different characters will have different values, and therefore come to different rational conclusions about the best course of actions. But, I suppose if you prefer to define Chaotic as acting on impulse with no regard to consequences, that is a workable definition, if not one I would personally care for. Thank you for elaborating.


    Wait, then what's the difference between that and what a Lawful Good character would do in that situation? See, this is why I don't like defining...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    I just don't see "breaks the law" as a useful way to define Chaotic, especially when Neutral exists. I define Chaotic as "opposes law," which Robin Hood does not. You could make an argument for him being Neutral Good, but ultimately he is loyal to King Richard and outlawed for that. His lawbreaking stems explicitly from his desire for (just) order.

    Again, I'm aware that my interpretation is not consistent with the text, but I don't find the text to be useful in this matter.


    Well, while not a monster in the D&D sense of the word, King John...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    Sure, I just assumed we were talking about a scenario where Nyrufa would consider the character’s actions Good, since Chaotic Good seemed to be the point of disagreement between our interpretations of alignment.


    There is a bigger picture though. He doesn’t just steal from a nebulous upper class, to redistribute to the lower class, he steals wrongly collected tax money from a usuper to the throne and returning it to the people to whom it rightfully belongs. His actions are motivated by a desire to restore order to a kingdom where it has broken down, which makes him Lawful...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    Yeah, that’s a big part of the reason behind my interpretation - removing the overlap between different alignments.


    I don’t really see a difference here.


    Ok, so that’s a Chaotic Good response to the scenario. What would be a Neutral Good response to it? Is the difference only in premeditation? The Chaotic character plans to break the law while the Neutral character only breaks it in the heat of the moment?...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    In brief, under my interpretation the ideal represented by Lawful alignments is “I believe Laws are necessary for a functional society.” In order for a character who holds those ideals to maintain a Lawful alignment, they must actively support societal law. The ideal represented by Chaotic alignment is “I believe laws are detrimental to society.” In order for a character who holds such ideals to maintain a Chaotic alignment, they must act against or avoid societal laws. Neutrality on this axis is a lack of conviction towards either of the above ideals. A character does not need to do anything...
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  • Charlaquin
    replied to The D&D thread
    A very fair question! Given the options you present, I would say that I hold this opinion because it is how things make sense to me regarding alignment, not because of the current D&D game text. I am relatively certain that my interpretation is not consistent with the intent of the designers of 5th edition on this subject. But to be honest, I don't like what I believe their intent to be.

    For a very long time, I hated alignment, and this was due mainly to its presentation within the actual text, although my first impressions were formed from the text in the 3.5 Player's Handbook....
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