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  • I don't think that this is how the Camarilla is written in V5....
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  • I don't think that a faction that enacts order and to some degree prosperity through autocratic/fascistic/feualistic means is an abstract concept. I also don't think that VTM and V5 in especially holds back when depicting the Camarilla as cruel. Be it through ruthless machinations, very strict rules that can easily end in the death of innocent people, not punishing extremly unmoral vampires with power and generally advancing social inequalities.

    That said, the rest is spot on. It is hard to feel sympathetic to the Anarchs if every second story is about gang warfare or barons abusing...
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  • From what I have seen Elif Parmak is awesome- both in optical design and behaviour.
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  • For my taste VTM is the strongest when you either feel trapped in the machinations of Vampires and their institutions or you feel like you are in a horror movie.

    The anarchs are way too ill defined for the first and are unnecessary for the second.
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    Last edited by Ignithas; 10-15-2021, 02:38 AM.

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  • I quite like the depiction of the factions and not not getting a story with them would suck.
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  • From what I gathered the Anarchs seem pretty popular, especially with the female audience. I think that the moment you have anarchs take and govern cities, offering only loose boundries is too little.
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  • A new Anarch book would be a good idea. Compared to Cults of the Blood God I'd like more hard facts and way more informations about their political and social structure. When looking at the informations we have, their rise to power makes little sense.
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  • The gripes I have with the book are that

    1) There are a lot of different factions/cults in the book, but the informations for each of them are way too little and often too unreliable/unspecific.

    2) Oblivion is similarly to Blood Sorcery not well designed imo.

    3) Some story-bites are written like Tumblr fanfiction.

    The thing I like most about the book is the idea that the clan has certain main disciplines, but different groups within the clan have developed the ability to have other main disciplines. I think this would be a good addition to the...
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    Last edited by Ignithas; 10-13-2021, 03:44 AM.

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  • I personally think that the treatment of Ericsson by parts of the community and Paradox was shameful. This doesn't include justified criticism and dislike of rules or how Ericsson did PR. Bad faith groups throwing hyperbolic and/or wrong statements on social media around and media amplifying and validating them seems to be a problem in multimedia journalism.
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  • If you liked Bloodlines, I would recommend V20. V5's focus is on personal horror and the consequences of your blood addiction and frenzies. There are no good rules for combat, because the edition claims that combat shouldn't take too much space and hummanity/hunger is always pressing. Bloodlines on the hand is the complete opposite and V20 has rules to better recreate that.
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  • What I don't understand: If the previous presentation of Banu Haqim/Assamites shows Muslims in a bad light, how isn't the current lore painting secular Arabs and Ex-Muslims in an even worse light.
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  • To quote the first page of the core rulebook:
    "People have different needs and not every method works for every person."


    It doesn't. But here we are......
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  • It is funny how he writes that deprogramming shovel heads makes good use of their cultural tension, but the actual book disentivising said action.
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  • Fate of Cthulhu was quite something......
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  • This is where maturity comes in. If you want to play a game with angsty characters that are pretty much waiting to either get killed or degenerate into a villan, then the humanity path is perfect to experience that. If people are abandoning that given other choices, then it speaks volume how bad V5 is designed.

    In my playgroup humanity was often to the detriment of schemeing, combat, political horror, institutional horror etc. So having rules to cater to that playstyles would have been much appreciated....
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  • Which would make sense, if the books wouldn't tell me multiple times what the outcome of those rules should be. Sometimes those text passages even contradict previous ones. One of the first text passages in the Core book (that isn't using unreliable narrators) says that "Everyone is a monster, there are no heroes, humanity is just a distant memory, you will only have the memory of a memory until you are an effigy." This clearly indicates that the conviction system is only there to either slow down or accelerate this process, not supporting multiple playstyles....
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  • I personally don't think that V5 is written for a mature audience. A mature audience can decide for themselves how to engage with mature content and doesn't need a book telling them the one true way to play the game. Therefore a mature gaming system would give the players tools to customise their experience to their liking and V5 tries to patronize players because they could do deplorable stuff in a fictional TTRPG. Furthermore their worlds building lacks nuounce and depth, which makes their claim that VTM makes you understand the problems facing us to be better equipped to fight them ridicu...
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  • I now heared that the Camarilla and Anarch books are edgy quite often. I found them incoherent, but edgy wasn't on my mind when reading them.
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  • This seems to be more an argument against the current depiction of the Camarilla than for the depiction of the Sabbat....
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  • Ignithas
    replied to Sabbat Book take a peek!
    The metaplot is certainly a very important part of VTM, but I don't think that this means that we can't have one or more core rule books and suplemant books that advance the meta plot. V5 feels like a mess when trying to navigate the books.

    The metaplot of VTM was never really good, if you went in depth analysing it. I think that a lot of plotpoints V5 introduces are actually quite smart and more in line how institutions of power work. The thing V5 botches though, is giving an explaination why those events happen. Brujah leaves the Camarilla for example is in my opinion a good plot...
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    Last edited by Ignithas; 09-23-2021, 03:02 AM.

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