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  • Yeah sometimes I think Pentex and captain planet villains are actually TOO Nuanced That having a goal other than "Make money now ignore six months from now" is all you need. Honestly it makes want to reboot the idea with Vampires of some sort as antithetical to the wyrm since.... they have to fucking live with shit. OR at least exist....
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  • And for some reason people screamed it made no sense for the Technocracy to be taken over by Nephandi......
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  • So when is it going to become an expansion for cyberpunk given how much crap keep happening?
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  • Guns also don't do much with that dot of potence your ghouls get. I mean there's a reason Kindred like to go melee....
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  • I think you are looking at this in reverse. The camarilla generally engages in organized crime as TOOL to get things done. Its just another aspect of mortal society to be swayed to keep the masquerade attack ones foes... its all just another layer of control nothing special.
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  • Lian
    replied to Gods and Vampires?
    Words change. The concept of what is a god is intrinsically tied to centuries of christian philosophical concepts. We then back date idea and make false assumption about a culture assuming they hold to our ideas of Gods.

    For example: Early Christianity was seen as Atheism. Why? Because what they worship does not fall under what the Romans considered Gods. There is an intrinsic quid pro quo in Roman religion, that if the gods do not provide that it was perfectly acceptable to not worship them.

    Even the idea of them as non physical entities is much a construct of centuries...
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  • That's where I'm having trouble. I can see a core but it feels like once I start moving into incorporating older technology I've basically made an Etherite. IF I move too deep into Numerology I've made a Hermetic and so on. That making a Technognostic is much easier from the othersides....


    Maybe if we walked through building a character?...
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  • Lian
    replied to Kinain & Orisha Bound
    I would probably have it depend less on blood and more on cultural upbringing.so I would allow it for appropirate kinain, other kiths(particularly Pooka). Of course c20 opened up talecraft for all....
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  • How would you compare and contrast these four character types. I have a fairly CLEAR idea of what an Etherite mystic looks like: They start with Science or at least their personal echletic view of science as a first principle. There's is a world of "Energy beings" instead of gods. Where there's a rational and scientific explanation for the world ...its just a world that includes Ghosts and prayer healing and numerology.

    The Hermetic comes at it from the otherside they are the magician first applying technology to their already expansive set of symbolism magical theory....
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  • What does a Scientific Mystic Virtual Adept look like?

    What makes them different from a Scientific Mystic Etherite and a Technognostic Hermetic or Choruster?
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  • Lian
    replied to Embraced Animals
    Caine was in berlin by night. It was... a special book. Also so many nazis...
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  • Lian
    replied to Embraced Animals
    Berlin By Night was reconned signficantly. Ignore.. nearly everything in it. IF you care about seeing it "fixed" look at JHD that's the closest you will get..

    As for Embracing animals.. I am pretty sure its "Successful" so much as you'd have a Blood sucking dog.... but its also lacks the rationality of Humanitas much less the capacity to be pushed onto more alien moralities. Gargoyle animals were made with magic Extensive understanding of what the Tremere did to make Garrgoyles and gargoyle adjacent body horror is covered in House of Tremere...
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  • Lian
    started a topic I want to play a spider so what?

    I want to play a spider so what?

    What are my options outside the super obvious of City Gangrel, Werespider and Spider Pooka? What are my options in Mage or Wraith?
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  • I am responding to your quote here




    And I explained there needs to be a clear line between the NPCS tricking the characters and the GM tricking the players. MORE that decades of failed mystery plots have taught me clues are alot less obvious than you think if you already have the answer.

    SO yeah given that the GM has a level of control of information back and forth I don't think the GM should be playing their A game for NPCs to trick the players given that the GM is not going to give the level of detailed information that the player character could...
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  • Welcome to Pixel bitching.

    "Do you get anything to drink at the bar?" "OF COURSE NOT IT COULD BE BLOOD"





    I am going to give you a really simple example. Why its important that line between "NPCS are lying to me" and "THE GM is lying to me" are important differences. There are for example a number of sensory effects for blood. IN the Soup example the presumably someone with Heightened senses might have an option to detect such or you might give some clues based on the way the guy is acting that but the...
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  • This just seems like you want your players to always buy unbondable in every future vampire game and or other world of darkness games. That seems like the only thing you are going to get out of tricking the player vs the the character,
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  • Lian
    replied to New Blood Magic Book
    So No Sabbat book? They've already done 2 of those.... No clan books? Given the Parcity of base information we have for v5 asking for new stuff seems silly....
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  • So how about a Traditions and Disparates books?
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  • Lian
    replied to Are Mummies still Canon?
    This.. and then once you get into that you have the other cultures of M:TR that don't fit but are called Mummies....
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  • Lian
    replied to Are Mummies still Canon?
    Define Mummy and canon because both are all over the place.
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