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  • This seems like someone who's Paradigm was built as a Thought experiment. Like it uses a very complicated understanding of the Umbra and a very blaise view of symbolism. So it comes off as very Chaos Magicy. I can't see someone naturally coming to this but rather coming to this via the method you came to this and that's pretty much as I said Chaos Magic. They are creating mental patterns that they may infact know are false for purposes of focusing their will and symbolism.

    So I'd argue this is probably something in the Hollow One bandwagon or Discordian Hermetics. I also imagine the...
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  • Lian
    replied to Kuei-jin: How to Fix?
    You are presuming a start from zero. This is not the case. Random Ravnos shows up in Chinese village.. There's already KJ there. The First iteration of the KJ courts existed... when Saulot Showed up. They already had a continent spaning empire and the numbers to back it up when there were by Kindred mythology less than 20 of them.

    As Kindred aren't going to be constantly moving into hostile territory when there's all these civilizations that don't have hostility. Its like asking why the Gangrel haven't Won against the Lupines....
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  • Lian
    replied to Pack Membership
    Yes they do. A Sentai is not a Pack. And whatever the Mage makes is neither of those things. They are constructing something new and different. No different than using Life to shapeshift into Crinos or using Spirit to enter the Umbra.





    Which is generally approved of by said Incarna. SINCE we are apparently creating a whole new spirit from cloth now apparently we are hacking a Random Spirit without the Incarna's permission.






    That's like saying using spheres to create a rock is the same as the gift create Element....
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  • Lian
    Lian posted a Visitor Message for Redwulfe
    Trying to find the source
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  • I never intended to say that the SI was the Technocracy, but rather the SI is a Technocracy Move. Rather than sending a hoard of Hitmarks into Elysium they are using mortal means as a cover and all those "strange" coincidences that seem to break suspension of disbelief are the occasional time there's been Direct Technocracy assistance(like the bombing of the Vienna Chantry)







    That was more my thinking. That's generally how the Technocracy does things they only send the Rampaging Killbots for Mages because Mages will cause all sorts...
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  • Lian
    replied to Pack Membership
    With the right spheres(life and spirit) they can simulate all the advantages of being a were whatever but.. that doesn't make a Mage a Garou.

    They can build all the advantages from scratch



    That is some crazy amount of successes to make Incarna. I mean at this point I'd make the same argument that "why can't I create my own High Umbral God to undo the curse of Caine"



    The Line I am drawing is Pack/Sentai. I never said "Mages can't simulate this" They can simulate alot of things. They could make theirown "Pack"...
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  • Lian
    replied to Kuei-jin: How to Fix?
    Kindred have the capacity to make more of themselves but this still hits a "what the area can support". Converse KJ "naturally" occur in measures up to what an area can support. There's never a point where Kindred have numbers on a KJ when the KJ are on defensive. Anda are Especially bad at urbaning as they have to leave their domain after a couple of nights. They are however really good at Empiring.......
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  • Lian
    replied to Who will replace Hardestadt?
    Hardestat the Even Younger. Then The Even Younger until we get to Hardestat the thin blooded. and then Hardestat the Dhampyr......
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  • Lian
    replied to Who will replace Hardestadt?
    There will always be a Hardestat.
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  • During the build up to V5 there was some statement by NuWW that the SI IS the Technocracy being done with Vampire bullshit. This is honestly more like how the Technocracy would handle it anyway, something that looks entirely mortal... just they happen to be "too" good. Bombs get through magical wards "somehow" Agents just "happen" to find Elysiums.

    Hell the Resurgence of the Anarch Movement could easily be seen as social engineering.


    The Technocracy has to save their real resources for those Blood Gods after all(and Real Reality Deviants...
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  • Lian
    replied to Pack Membership
    A group of mages with the right spheres could easily simulate many of the advantages of Pack and even gain some(mental communication, shared effects etc). As for whether or not Mages joining a Garou pack violates metaphysics, Packs are built upon unique qualities of Garou nature. Even the Rites that allow for multiple Fera types call upon their unique qualities. Mages are not Fera, even if with enough life they could "Fake it" same with spirit....
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  • Lian
    replied to Starting Mage vs Vampire
    Break into their haven in the middle of the day(quite a few effects help with this) Stake them through the heart. Drag them out into the sun. Have Arcane. Repeat.
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  • Lian
    replied to Pack Membership
    This is not true. Sentai rites don't allow you to include nonFera. Totem Rite doesn't allow NonKJ. KJ have theirown rites for making Pack equivalents. THey cannot join True Pack equivalents though obviously any random group can join a wave sentai.





    No, they may have Totems. Which is different from "can join a pack" Nunnehi and Eshu can't even pool together to make a Pack equivalent. THey can just have totems like how a Fera can have a personal Totem.

    If "can have a totem" counts then Pure Humans can join packs since they...
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  • Lian
    replied to Kuei-jin: How to Fix?
    There is a "Real" mythological concept that Cats from AWOD were based on. Nyan are how they decided to ultimately have it work out when they got to filling out Asia. And Honestly for all the crap people give Year of the Lotus... AWOD and Dark Alliance.. are SO MUCH WORSE on Orientalism. I always wonder how people can bring Gaki and Bushi up seriously as less fetishized alternative.




    You can regard them as whatever you want. The book is pretty apparent on "These are not cainites". They mechanically differ in a number of ways. They do not mechanically...
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  • Lian
    replied to Who will replace Hardestadt?
    His Grandchilde will show up claim he was never dead, and people will Nod and accept it.
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  • The Larp allowed the buying of other Kith BRs and frailities as 5 point merits if I wanted to have a "hybrid" character that's how I'd do it. 5 points you can buy another birthright but you need some good justification(SHARK POOKA)
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  • Lian
    replied to Kuei-jin: How to Fix?
    Cats are Nyan. In Book of 8 Million Dreams may not be the best intepretation but its there.


    Here's how Bushi aren't like Canites: They gain powers in the same fashion as Werewolves. It explicitly says their disciplines are tied to rank and to use werewolf mechanics. That generation is tied to rank, and that Generation as a background goes up as one goes in Rank... That sounds familiar doesn't it?

    The Gaki on the other hand were explicitly nonembraced and mildly bothered by Sunlight.

    It seems pretty apparent to me having read AWOD and Dark Alliance...
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  • Lian
    replied to Kuei-jin: How to Fix?
    Because no one has apparently read those things since NEITHER of them claim that the Gaki or Bushi were Cainites. The Gaki Explicitly having abilities that didn't work like cainites. The Bushi explicitly having some mechanics that were different but were abit closer to normal Cainites. They were more like Fera to Garou than "More bloodlines' and I mean the wierd Fera like Anansi who don't have rage or the Corax who have to use magic to make more of them....
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  • Lian
    replied to Pack Membership
    Members
    of wave sentai can come from different courts and, on
    rare occasions, include Kumo or even shen from outside
    the Beast Courts. “Mountain” sentai, on the other hand,
    are as enduring as their name. Established more for bonds
    of pack and family than to accomplish a specific task,
    members of mountain sentai always come from the same
    court, and share a single totem.


    Cb 20




    Unrelated to this there are a few totems that in their write up mention allowing Kin as members Soldaris(sp) I think is one....
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  • Lian
    replied to Kuei-jin: How to Fix?
    Like how Anansi are Kindred because they drink blood right?

    Jiang-shi have another translation when brought into English rather than "Chinese Vampire" and I think it works MUCH better with KJ as they are and allows an expansion through out the world while making them perhaps have a dominance in certain areas. "Zombie". KJ are basically Zombies who gain sapience. Sure they can eventually drink blood but they can steal breath and eat the world too. They are the Zombie Game.

    Expand from there. They can be just as connected to Kindred as a gameline as...
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