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  • Lian
    replied to Using Kuei-jin
    Ghouls can be matched. The KJ set could use some serious fixing but the BROAD idea is that their powers are supposed to be more verstile than Kindred Disciplines but more difficult to learn. This is before you have statements like Each and Every Wu could have theirown custom disciplines and Rites.



    [quote[Communist China is the ideal place for Kindred, perhaps even more then Nazi Germany or Dark Ages feuda lism.[/QUOTE]

    So you're saying not good for Kindred at all? DA was at best about equal to modern times sans the "Stories where Kindred ruled openly"(which...
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  • I'd just use the v20 book where they probably wouldn't give a damn. They care more about the ones who are in Enoch than anything else....
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  • The Awakening of the Ravnos Ante is not caused by the situation in the Underworld they just happen to be timed similarly. One could easily remove the battle for Enoch from the Wraith Metaplot while keeping the shenganigans of the nuke dropped in the labyrinth thus causing the Sixth Great Maelstrom and the Avatar Storm.

    Children of the Revolution postulates the survival of the True Hand via them escaping back into the material world making use of their deep connections into the various sects to relocate.


    Personally? Enoch is too interesting as developed in the new...
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  • Lian
    replied to Iron Fist as a Mage
    Well ther's stuff he needs life 3 for by episode 4 and by the end of the series.

    I'd honestly say he He makes a better Shih though...
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  • Lian
    replied to Lore of the Bloodlines
    I thought the Rasputin Chapter was going to open up some fo the Drowned Legacies....
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  • Lian
    replied to Seeking Path Advice
    quick correction Entelenchy is modern a creation of Classical Brujah who are sick of how their clan has fallen its pretty close to being "If Aristotle wrote Humanity" or at least as close the writers can get.

    There are multiple modern Paths of Paradox as there were multiple roads of Paradox....
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  • Well when the sperm and ovum come together..
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  • That's not what the op said. The op is saying the Variants are some how a bad concept but the intial idea of Gargoyles as Vampires is Good. I can more readily see an argument for "I don't think gargoyles should exist because they really make the game far more fantastic than the down to Earth tone I want to go for with Vampire" It wouldn't be the only thing I'd take out for a more down to earth and gritty vampire but I can see that argument.

    That Someone can play a Gargoyle who's CRAZY codependent and thus we can see how horrible that is as they spiral down humanity seems...
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  • Actually I would entirely like to see that, if anyoen would be willing to back this up because I've always seen appearance Alien characters that are meant to be mind numbingly pretty have appearance levels. All Fera except Kitsune for example have appearance zero in their hybrid form, Kitsune who can still interact with people have their appearance unchanged as a stat. or Sascha Vykos who rocks appearance 7 and is pretty damned inhuman.




    What makes Goliath or any of the Gargoyles a particularly bad fit? Or Explain why a Gargoyle who has the Bloodline flaw "Takes...
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  • nevermind misread something
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    Last edited by Lian; 03-20-2017, 12:08 AM.

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  • Lian
    replied to Iron Fist as a Mage
    AKashics also use the Dragon symbol and had Horizon Realms/Chantries.


    I'd say Gao is alot closer to Wu Lung....
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  • Lian
    replied to Lore of the Bloodlines
    4th gen assamite sorcerers. I think a larger argument might be If all Sorcerers descend from ur Shulgi how are they not Baali?
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  • Lian
    replied to Salvaging the Nictuku
    I didn't. "Oooh a fourth Gen Deus ex machina I've never seen this before!" Nosferatu aren't Super Predators who slip in and out of society with ease. They are Lepers. They are the Homeless. They are the marginalized group that you need because they have something you want. Nothing about the Nituku was ever frightening. Nos aren't a particularly less humane clan than say the Tzim or even the Ventrue. They are the clan that has to be on the outside looking in. They are pitiable.

    Something that is as the Nos are to Humans to Nos would be even more pitiable....
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  • Lian
    replied to Lore of the Bloodlines
    You guys know we have the page that didn't make it into CB:A right? http://www.assamites.com/urshulgi.htm The JHD seem to be taking that as canonical https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...IRyoe_6LTI/pub Ur-shulgi isn't Baali but he is still something monsterous, He's Baali adjacent. Do we know of any other fourth Gen Sorcerers?
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  • this has nothing to do with what you said. You said the Assamites are intrinsically has the theme of mutable blood. I point out Gangrel and settites are far more mutable you point out they have themes for mutability. Therefore your argument seems to be "Assamites are more mutable for no damned reason". They are not the most magical Clan. They do not have the Oldest Magic. Saulot Embraced 4 Different Bloodlines before Haquim even made his second(assuming they aren't all liars and the Laibon aren't right)


    And while the tzim have very little variation themselves they...
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  • Lian
    replied to Lore of the Bloodlines
    The Seven have been treated as Crazy destroyers of the Clan proper since Clanbook Salubri. Page 42 calls them out as liars about golconda and the whole diablere thing being crazy. This is the first work since then that has treated their actions as sane. Yes they might attack other Salubri BUT the whole demonstrating powers beyond their ken and anti diablere veins is actually a push to they might be right.




    Its the same price as it was in Clanbook Salubri....
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  • Not really? Gangrel have canonically the most variants because many gangrel abandon their childe so they grow up "Wrong". Though Assamites do have an impressive number variations but so do the followers of Set who also have access to particularly ancient blood magics though they wiped out their sorcerer caste between the Dark Ages and Modern Nights along with purging potentially more Cthonic variants of their arts....
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  • no, appearance zero means ugliness. It can "look cool" but someone with it cannot engage in social interactions outside intimidation.




    Why the hell shouldn't you be able to play Goliath in Vampire? I can play characters based on countless media concepts, and the game is based on countless pop cultural ideas for inspiration i mean just look at any book where it gives suggested reading/viewing. This sort of gatekeeping bullshit is what hurts our hobby....
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    Last edited by Lian; 03-19-2017, 04:53 PM.

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  • Its right there next to Nonwestern titles don't work in North America!...
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  • Lian
    replied to Iron Fist as a Mage
    Not really? He's white so that cancels any Wu Lung option there, but also their paradigm is ritualistic based, yes there are tiger warrior members but martial arts and Meditation is nto basically their sole instrament. The Wu Lung are not Monastic that's very much the opposite of their Paradigm....
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