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  • Well, Eye of the Cat as written only works on what is impossible to detect through sight, smell, or hearing. So something so well hidden it would require 150 successes to detect it, it still isn't impossible, just unfathomable hard, and thus Eye of the Cat won't work. So, a god in its immaterialized form should be impossible to detect, and thus is detectable.

    Now, as I interpret the charm as written, if that god would had hid itself so good it would had required 150 successes to detect it if it was materialized, it is immediately detected by the Eye of the Cat if it is in its immaterial...
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  • Well, splitting 3,5kg (I think the average was closer to 3kg just a few decades ago) with 266 day would mean 13,16g per day, which then could be split over both parents. Then there is also the option to let it take longer time.

    So, problem and issue?...
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  • So, I agree that is a reason for progenetive essense. As long no one blame earlier editions on that rewrite of neomah, I won't argue against it. ...
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  • Sure, and the amount needed by only using sexual fluids means a load of encounters to have the material. Or are we talking hentai amount per load here?

    That is my point. You can do it with a neomah, without being hurt, but that take a load of time. Or it can be quick, but hurt like hell. Neither is a shortcut, or a solution to those wanting an army of DBs starting with just a few....
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  • Now, I don't have the books close by. But as far as I know, a Neomah creates a child from bits it bites of from the parents. So a "normal" child of a neomah usually has a hundred parents or more.

    While being a Dragon-Blood means faster healing rates, providing 50% of the material would mean some very serious wounds. Also, I can't see it increasing the chance of an exaltation. It definitely isn't a shortcut for producing offsprings.

    So I don't see having them as a way for those not falling into the fertile heterosexual category to have kids in any way means a...
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  • Now, that is an argument I buy. While I personally don't find that particular drama to be compelling, that's just my personal preference....
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  • I'm actually curious if changing the setting will stop ideas of people already ignoring the setting.

    Still at least it might stop those that argued it would work out of the mechanics, which was simplified and not how the setting worked; or it might mean those type of players finds a new way to game the mechanics (higher ratio of males in their breeding camps, perhaps?)....
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    replied to How Would You Do D:TF?
    My guess is that some still would find it not palatable, as their religion still would be a false religion. While not "the evil enemy" it would still make their religion a lie (and hey, it isn't like god and the loyalist is good guys in DtF).

    I think if minimizing the amount of offense, the book probably would need to have a bunch of potential back-stories, going from "yup, the bible is pretty much correct" to "some of the gods believe themselves to be angels in service of a creator, and their leaders -- the arch angels -- claims there are talking with that...
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  • If we are still talking about 3,500 years from the end of the Primordial war to the Usurpation, they could have come out of the war with just a few thousand, and still easily be a million by then.

    For comparison, here is a list over the population growth of the real world. http://www.worldometers.info/world-p...ation-by-year/...
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  • Well, it is also worth noting that ten thousand (δΈ‡) in some Asian cultures also apparently is used for "a very large number" and not only that specific amount.

    As Exalted takes a lot of inspiration from there, saying that they created ten thousand could mean it was 53,817 that was Exalted.
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  • Or being the epic heroes that rose above what they where created to be.

    It might not be the kind of epic heroes you want them to be, but as I say, that's a matter of preference and Ex3 have a different solution (I don't even know what 1st ed went with) that seems to fit most on this site anyway....
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  • Wait, what? You're saying their origin story would make or break their ability to be heroic?!?


    Both elementals, and seeds of nature (they are tracing their lineage to Gaia after all), tend to start small and grow. So it might have taken a while for the power to mature. Also, a 100:1 ratio would mean if the gods would manage to sell the idea to 5-20% of women, and such rebellion would most likely be squashed within their own ranks,

    Second edition have after all a quite larger power discrepancy between terrestrial and celestial exalts, On the Cosmic scale, they were...
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  • For those wanting the gods to exalt mortals out of their love of humans, yeah, the old writing don't work well.

    But where they just were tools for an end, and having limited resources (the setting lacks omnipotence after all) having them use humans as cattle kind of fit. And being designated stud in a breeding program probably won't be that much of heaven (well, it still can be a dream, as nightmares after all also per definition are dreams).

    Out of respect for this site, I won't answer the rest of your post....
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  • That is a matter of opinion and taste....
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  • Well, a Dragon-Blood and a mortal is probably a lot more likely to provide a Dragon-Blooded offspring, than two mortals having a Dragon-Blooded ancestor some 10-15 generations back. With the sheer number of the second category, I think it falls well within "scholars can't agree on the issue", where in-game beliefs and facts might not match, and an official canon would be silly considering how Ex3 is said to stay clear of nailing down things as 2nd ed did.
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  • Main territory don't have to mean that they spend most of the time there. Most of Roman nobility apparently wanted to be in Rome, even if they owned large pieces of land elsewhere on the peninsula.

    To actually manage said territory, I guess that's what un-exalted Dynasts and Patricians are for.
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  • Well, that depends on what one count as significant, as that is the size of a square with the side of 32 miles, or a circle with a radius of 18 miles. Pretty much everything is at least within one day of forced marching from the city. So pretty much one city, a handful of towns, and a bunch of villages.

    So city-state = a city + the support system to keep it fed and able to defend itself....
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