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  • You are correct; 2e is explicit that characters cannot enter the Astral without a soul. In that case, I don't know what to tell you.
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  • The Oneiros, like your mind, isn't your soul. Your soul is more like a rock on which a reef grows. If you made the reef disappear, all that stuff is still there, but it'll very quickly start to disintegrate. The Oneiros is made of your thoughts, your feelings, your Vice, your Virtue, your Gnosis, etc., all of which are draped upon the soul like coral around the rock. Remove the soul, the reef begins to collapse, but it's still there.

    It's necessary it works this way, too. Otherwise, there would be no Tremere; they initiate by delving into the Astral and wandering into the Ocean O...
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  • Seal it away or throw it into the Ocean Ouroboros. Or you can confront it, interact with it, alter your perceptions or context of it, etc.

    If I want to get rid of my arachnophobia, I need to wander to that nightmare realm and change its context. Break open the dark cavern; expose the nightmares to light; confront them and overcome your fear. That's how you deprive it of essence.

    The other way you can deal with it is, as Mrm said, bury the cave it's in. Seal it away.
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  • Axelgear
    replied to Descriptions of Mana
    A Resonance is the "feel" a place has; a description of all the qualities it emanates. A knife used to kill someone carries Resonances of Knife, Sharpness, Blood, Pain, Death, Murder, Anger, etc., all of which radiate from it like some kind of hateful alpha decay.

    Mana and Essence pick up Resonances, or, perhaps more accurately, are shaped by them; like running clay through a mold. The result is essentially something that radiates and carries that same flavour of Resonance in the same way the original radiating object itself does. Mana inscribed with the Resonance of Murder...
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  • Axelgear
    replied to Descriptions of Mana
    What Mana and tass look like varies a great deal. Tass, particularly, since it's bound inside whatever object it's tied to.

    Mana, though, carries Resonances, so it looks and feels akin to whatever Resonance it carries. Mana might be an ambient feeling of rage and pure fury, if harvested from a Hallow on some ancient ritual battleground. It might appear, under Mage Sight, as a candle flame to an Obrimos, if it carries Resonances of enlightenment.

    I've got a Thyrsus for whom Mana's overriding sensation is a feeling of "fullness", like when you've just eaten a...
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  • Being in a person's Oneiros shouldn't affect their Awakening directly, but it'll take you for one hell of a ride, since the Oneiros reshapes to reflect whatever the person is presently thinking about. If someone Awakens while you're in their Oneiros, that means it reflects the Supernal, pure and undiluted. So... If that happens, hold onto your butt.

    Also, if you destroy all the goetia in a person's Oneiros, it'll mess them up, but those things will eventually regrow. We've had examples from Dave of, say, destroying a person's arachnophobia, only to find it eventually takes shape again...
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  • I think the big usefulness of Sanctum's extra spells shows best when the players are investigating a mysterious object that's potentially quite dangerous. Having the ability to cast extra spells for protection, investigation, and warding can be quite useful. Same goes for summoning/binding a spirit or similar entity, where you might want as many wards and investigative spells as possible.
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  • Axelgear
    replied to Challenging Supernal "Truth"
    All Orders are mystery cults. This is explicit. All the Orders are religions, all of them are conspiracies, all of them are secret societies; they are all these things mashed into one. How much emphasis is placed on any particular aspect is a local concern. The Silver Ladder, though, emphatically praises the Avatar and worships human divinity; they call themselves an Order of philosopher-priests.



    I'd say that any sense of being clinical or secular on the part of the Corpus Author is just because of the game book giving a description of a description. Saying that the...
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  • Axelgear
    replied to Challenging Supernal "Truth"
    I'm just gonna link this image of Purusha.

    I feel like I'm being smug here but I'm trying to get across a point: This imagery is distinctly religious.
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  • I like your semi-sarcastic descriptions, Dave; it makes me think of Father Ted but with wizards.

    "So I hear you're Jnanamukti now, Hierophant."

    "What!? Who said I'm an Jnanamukti?"

    "Everyone's saying it, Hierophant! Should we be all Jnanamukti now? What's the official line the Mysterium is taking?"

    "No, no-!"

    "Only, the Mysteries take up most of my time, and at night I just like a good book, so I might not be able to devote myself full-time to the genocide of Sleepers."...
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  • Axelgear
    replied to Challenging Supernal "Truth"
    I wanna note that one of my longest-running Mage games has included a lot of exploration of topics like "Is youthful idealism actually a necessary force, either to drive change or at least counterbalance cynicism, or does it merely act to drag down more useful efforts with infighting?" and "Is it possible to do great things while still retaining a connection to others who don't share your vision and ambition?", and it's done so largely not by trying to do so; it happens as a consequence of the characters involved simply being exactly who they are and the world bearing the consequences....
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  • Axelgear
    replied to Four New Gifts
    Tides has my vote, but I'd probably not be disappointed by any of these.
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  • Axelgear
    replied to Challenging Supernal "Truth"
    That sounds pretty religious to me....
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  • Something else to remember is that the effects of a Mage's Long-Term Nimbus don't have said Mage's Nimbus stamped on them. A magical disease outbreak by a Thyrsus doesn't have ol' Hawk's Signature Nimbus on it, even if it was triggered by it. There isn't really a way to distinguish between something triggered by a Nimbus and something that just happens by coincidence. Heck, the very idea of coincidence gets funky when the Awakened are around.

    Plus, Mages tend to like it when odd stuff happens; it's Mystery fuel. If anything, I can see this as a part of the incentive for forming a...
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  • There is outright a merit to represent this. Importantly, though, as others have pointed out, being a Sleeper does not prevent you from believing in the supernatural or even actively engaging with it. A Sleeper can:

    -Summon, bind, and abjure ghosts and spirits
    -Wield magical relics
    -Commune with the above beings
    -Witness the use of Legacy attainments
    -Craft magical amulets

    And so on. All without forgetting or being a Sleepwalker.

    Does witnessing the supernatural often enough turn you into a Sleepwalker? No, not automatically or reliably....
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  • Nothing about the presence of the Lie denies the presence of Truth, any more than a distortion in a mirror or noise in a signal means that they contain nothing of what they reflect or transmit. The Lie is a distraction from the knowledge of higher reality; a disruption of a truer reading. It's not a complete disconnect....
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  • Yeah, the Lie isn't (just) the Sleeping Curse; the Lie is the systems that exist to distract, mislead, and prevent humanity from grasping its divine heritage. It's the systems of control the Exarchs placed in the world to keep you downtrodden, but which also make you step on the necks of others.

    When hunger grips at empty bellies that could be full, and draws minds that should be free to base concerns, that is the Lie.

    When the Sleeping masses seek connection to the Truth and flock to hear spiritual teachers, sham occultists, and half-truthed materialists for succor,...
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  • Exchange and flow of wealth is magical, is the thing. The very act of commerce itself is special; the way wealth accumulates in the hands of a few at the expense of the many is the god that the Ministry of Mammon worship. The Chancellor might not particularly care who is wealthy, so long as it's selfish, but whenever one individual's wealth expands at a rate faster than the growth of the economy as a whole, the Chancellor is there, with its thumb on the scales of the cosmos.

    The Ministry of Mammon pays attention to the flow of wealth because it is a holy communion as much as it serving...
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  • Axelgear
    replied to Five Pounds Of Meat
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  • If you want a fun philosophical antagonist, find something the players do to others but would be horrified at having done to them, then have them do it to people like the players. You'll never see someone get more indignant.
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