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  • I continue to be extremely shocked to see people haven't actually seen this used in play.

    Regardless, how long do you think the bonus should last? Both in "real time" (even if this isn't actual minutes or hours, but convenient "scenes") and the number of uses.

    It seems to me the rite should be used to provide boosts for Garou to act outside the caern. So there needs to be some amount of time after the rite's completion when the bonus is "held".

    Furthermore, how often should those boosts be used? Just once and then it expires?...
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  • I wonder if a possible solution is to allow the player (of the PC who is the odd man out) to switch from playing their PC to a second character, like an NPC ally or another PC's Retainer, who will participate in whatever group activity that would conflict against their character concept. That way they can have fun and do something as the player yet not compromise their PC.

    I have offered this option at least twice, but both times the players rejected it. I always thought it was a good compromise solution. Just hasn't worked out....
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  • Black Fox
    replied to WIR 5E Anarchs
    Thanks for the correction on Anarchs Unbound. But since I don't like Revised metaplot which was the brainchild of Justin Achilli, I'm not surprised he has a hand in yet another thing I don't like. He's an imaginative man with some good ideas, but he has a tendency to ignore things when they get in the way of the story he wants to tell (and force on everyone else by making it the new canon).

    Yes, there was very little mentioned about what precisely the Brujah Council was. I said that multiple times already. I made it clear that much of what I was saying based on my own interpretations....
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  • Black Fox
    replied to WIR 5E Anarchs
    Yes, I understand the current developers are saying this is the case. I'm pointing out that this was not the case originally, and introducing this at this late date is overturning what some people have been doing for 25 years or so. I also don't think the decision was well supported with the bits of canon we did have. It's effectively retroactive continuity or an alternate reality.

    It's why I don't support V5 and why I ultimately stopped buying books in the Revised era.

    The French Revolution is a little different, because I think it was always implied - and perhaps...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to WIR 5E Anarchs
    One major problem I have with metaplot, is that originally the cities that were Camarilla, Anarch, and Sabbat made certain sense. But metaplot is determined to make the game stupid.

    Cities that retained a good economy and manageable crime, like Chicago in the 80s and early 90s, were Camarilla. Cities that had a good economy, but high crime like LA with its gang wars, were Anarch. Cities that were in decline economically and had high crime like Detroit, were Sabbat. Cities that had mixed elements tended to be contested which is why New York was predominantly Sabbat, but Manhattan...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to WIR 5E Anarchs
    I thought the Brujah Council was less about being similar to Anarchs than simply another Brujah controlled attempt to recreate their "utopia" at Carthage which predated the Anarch Revolt by a long time.

    The sense I got from the original description 30 years ago was that just like Carthage was supposed to be a blend of "harmonious" relations between vampire and kine; that Brujah vampire control of human Communism was supposed to create a similar "utopia". Except in the first the vampires at Carthage fed on discarded human babies left for human sacrifice,...
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  • For my own PCs and PCs at my game table (whether I play or ST), most PCs tend to want to achieve some sort of goal or power, which means they'll eventually use force or violence to accomplish it (even if only as defense against someone who will actively strive to prevent them from achieving that). So Humanity tends to be driven down to 4 by the end of the chronicle, in some cases to 3. It almost always tend to settle between 4-5. I've only seen it go lower than that when something unexpected happens in game, and the player reluctantly decides to send his character down a dark path that will...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to rite of the opened caern
    Wow, I was expecting this to be an easy answer on this forum. Does this rite not actually get used in games?

    It's never been used in mine, but I thought we were an outlier.
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  • Black Fox
    replied to WIR 5E Anarchs
    I've been partially fascinated by the Brujah Council when the game came out because it was never clear what it was about. So I think it's great that it's been finally addressed.

    However, I think they made a mistake by tying the Brujah Council in with the Anarchs because there was zero connection between the Brujah Council and the Anarchs in the original games. I don't remember it mentioned in any of the By Night books or the Anarch's Cookbook. Furthermore, what little we knew about the Brujah Council indicated it was antithetical to the ideals of the Anarchs. Anarchs were about...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Dark Thaumaturgy Questions
    I would say that Dark Thaumaturgy can be taught to one vampire by another vampire. However, it only works if the demons want it to, which means the vampire has to make a pact. Both are needed. So a vampire that has been taught the knowledge, but has not made a pact simply can't use it. However, the attempt to use it does draw the attention of the demon who will appear at some point and explain why it isn't working and explain what the vampire needs to do so it can work.

    I think its essential that the Dark Thaumaturgist must sell his soul to the infernal powers. It's not something...
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  • Depends on where the haunted spot is at. The Hierarchy's administrative centers in the Shadowlands are the Necropoli. Every major city is going to have a Citadel, and some smaller cities as well. Less populated areas may still have some kind of local administration that reports to one of the nearest Necropoli, and they handle the reapings and enforcement of the Dictum Mortum.

    So if there is a haunted area in a major city, the Hierarchy likely knows about it or will discover it at some point. That doesn't mean they're going to send a Patrol to it on a regular basis. Only if there...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Spirit Boons
    W20 says receive a boon from a minor spirit. Although not stated specifically, it is implied this is a challenge for Theurges as the format of the examples is one for each auspice and one general one.

    All "favors" or "boons" are paid by chiminage. And the rule of chiminage is that all favors are paid by an equal or greater gift. So any benefit the Theurge receives, will be paid by a service that the spirit considers to be equally useful for it. (I would say a wise Theurge finds a spirit who can provide a useful benefit to her, her pack, or her sept; but whose...
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  • The real world actually has a lot of ghost lore and sightings. The World of Darkness probably has that ramped up several degrees so there are more ghost sightings, but not enough that it is still a fringe phenomenon, and the masses still discount things. So I'd use that as a base for how frequently wraiths may materialize, visit someone in dreams, or possess them.

    The Arcanoi that allows wraiths to cross the Shroud is heavily regulated by the Hierarchy. So its not supposed to be known widespread among Wraiths. The wraiths who do so either operate with the Hierarchy's permission...
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  • I always considered the two to be synonyms, not separate things. And whether the blood bond creates love (as in romantic love or passion) or a sense of deep set devotion and loyalty is really just flavor text describing how the bond works out between the regnant and thrall. It depends on the personalities and relationship of the regnant and thrall, not some historical change in mentality.

    It could just be my ignorance if there was an actual supplement stating these were not the same.
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  • When I played LARP, we struggled how to do moots as well for the same reasons. I think we ended with doing one moot a year in character with the rest handwaved. If someone really wanted a scene that required a moot earlier, we might do a scene just for that portion, or figure out a way to do the scene without it occurring at a moot.



    I think there is a different dynamic between LARPs (with many participants, typically dozens) and tabletop (which focuses on one pack, typically 3-6 players). The challenges of incorporating seasonal rites between them are similar, but...
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  • Black Fox
    started a topic rite of the opened caern

    rite of the opened caern

    When someone performs the Rite of the Opened Caern and gets the bonus dice for whatever power, how long do those bonus dice last? The rite description says "If the character wins the test, she can add the caern's rating to her dice pool when performing actions appropriate to the caern's focus." Later on the Caerns Chart we're given a list of possible powers for various types of caerns.

    But how long do these bonus dice last for? The descriptions seems to imply that the bonus lasts for more than one roll. So is it time based? Does it last for 24 hours? The remaining...
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  • Hammer & Klaive tells the entire legend of Wind-howl as the book's prologue story. There it says "And the beginning is a Silver Fang story..." so it is quite clear Wind-howl is supposed to be a Silver Fang (later on, they say she's a Galliard). Besides changing the klaive maker's name, auspice, and tribe, it also changes the time. Again the story says "Spirit had been ripped bleeding from the flesh that housed it..." indicating this happened long ago right after the Severing. In previous Player's Guides, it stated outright that Gwydion Wrymslayer made the first klaive...
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  • Is that the Fenris rite of the Rite of the Three Wells mentioned in first edition Storyteller's Handbook, or your own LARP's original rite? I always found it strange that the Storyteller's Handbook used a Celtic named holiday for the Get of Fenris' tribal seasonal rite.

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    I just realized that as written, there is a complicating factor for some Garou, and that is some tribes have their own seasonal rites/celebrations that may fall on these dates.

    The Silver Fangs, of course, have their own solstice celebrations organized by the Lodges of the Sun and the...
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  • A spirit bound to a fetish is essentially in slumber, or a similar state. I don't think that would be a good thing for an Incarna or Celestine to be in. That would have to affect the material world in a bad way.

    I can't conceive of any reason such powerful beings would agree to do it, nor is there any way for a Garou to forcibly bind them. These spirits likely have Gnosis far in excess of what can be rolled on a 1d10.

    Garou don't even actually communicate with Incarna or Celestines (I think the best they normally do are jaggling avatars of the Incarna). The description...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to WIR 5E Anarchs
    Everyone is going to bring their own biases, inspirations, and ideas to the Anarchs. Since they're basically defined as a negative (originally not the Camarilla, and now not the Camarilla or Sabbat) they're a blank slate the ST will project on. So the devs may be trying not to step on people's toes by "defining" things. Still, I agree a lack of some local groups and their ideas would be a good thing as long as it is clear that such a list is neither definitive nor comprehensive.

    My own view is that the Anarchs can be divided into several groups.

    1) Misfits,...
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