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  • Black Fox
    replied to I don't get the Sabbat
    My post is not intended to accurately describe anything in real life. But to pull certain elements associated in places to help explain certain elements in the game. So if there is supposed to be Sabbat in Scandinavia, I look for what elements could be used to associate it. Likewise, I actually don't think there are supernatural evil clowns or vampires depopulating entire towns in Maine, but feel fine to use Stephen King's stories set in Maine as inspirations for why the Sabbat is supposed to dominate Maine in the Vampire setting....
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  • Black Fox
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    The Sabbat is less a coherent whole than a loose alliance of disparate groups only united in their opposition to the Camarilla. I think the pre-Revised version works fine as opposed to the structured Sword of Caine terrorist group of the Revised era.

    You have the Loyalists who represent the old Anarch Revolt who rejected the Camarilla as just another tool of oppression of the Elders. They're basically anarchs on steroids.

    Then you have all the strange Paths of Enlightenment followers who joined only because their bizarre, inhuman ways simply can't work in the Camarilla's...
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  • It seems all SF Houses have totems that are birds of prey. I just looked, and the additional totems listed in the SF tribe book (Wyvern and Heron) are not. So there's no obvious option. I suggest you pick a name of a bird of prey known to be in Australia (but which isn't already taken by another house) and write up your own totem. Kites are a bird of prey found in Australia, and that family is also well known in europe. Kites are known for their long wings and graceful, gliding flight.

    Another option is that SF home sept, and also home to the continental Jindabyne Council that...
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  • I used Austere Howl as well, as the initial kinfolk immigrants would have most likely come from Britain.

    Since Australia is a very early sourcebook (1994), it has things that don't match well to future developments (SF tribebook is from 1997). The SF Darius Winchester isn't a king of a SF royal house, but "King of Australia." So an ST has to come up with ways to explain how there can be a king who isn't actually a king. Perhaps an easy solution would be that Darius is in the process of forming a brand new SF house (that can happen, Wyrmfoe didn't exist as its own royal...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to I don't get the Sabbat
    This is the New York that the Sabbat ruled:



    Doesn't exactly look like the biggest Power Center on Earth, does it?

    It's not Manhattan. And New York of this era is not the New York of the 1950s and earlier, or the New York we have today. For players of Vampire in the early nineties, this would have been what New York evoked in connection to the Sabbat....
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  • Black Fox
    replied to I don't get the Sabbat
    I think people need to consider what the purpose of the Sabbat to the game might have been in the minds of the early developers. What was it supposed to add to the game outside the original seven clans and the Camarilla. I can't say for certain, but this is how I understand it, and it underlines how I portray the Sabbat in my own chronicles.

    I think originally many things in the game served as a toolkit to allow players to emulate certain kind of vampires in fiction. The Camarilla (and in particular the Toreador clan) was obviously the Anne Rice style vampire. Very human seeming...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Locating Enoch
    Enoch no longer exists on Earth because the antedeluvian world was a mixture of material reality and the umbra. Nowadays people want each game line to be its own separate thing, but they were intended to be one World of Darkness. I think canonically Enoch now exists in the Underworld.

    In my chronicles (regardless of game line), the WoD essentially begins somewhere along 10,000-12,000 BC. Prior to that is the antedeluvian age, whether it be the Biblical story before the Flood, Atlantis civilization, Hyperborea, Mu, or anything else. After that is history along the lines we understand...
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  • I think the real questions to answer are 1) who are the ambitious candidates who will put themselves forward (qualified individuals who don't want the position are irrelevant), and 2) out of them, who is the one most likely to receive the support of the critical power groups in the city (ambitious candidates who do not possess sufficient competence won't receive backing).

    That will be automatically done by the relevant Kindred in the domain in the course of one or two nights - a week at the most.

    At that point, if there is not a clear candidate and there are two or more...
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  • How would any group outside PENTEX know if one of their First Teams were captured? I think most hunter groups would be ignorant of it.
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  • How well the Sabbat functions internally is a matter of ST preference. While it is certainly possible for it to function as the cohesive "Sword of Caine" with centralized organization, and the packs obey like soldiers in the Revised error, it is by no means the only (or even the most likely) interpretation. The sect has undergone at least three destructive civil wars, two of which lasted a long time, and the last ended fairly quickly only because the hardliners recognized the Panders and took a lot of steam out of the Loyalists. But that is not a long term solution, and the sect can...
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