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  • Erinys is right that there is a problem in some breedbooks that imply Fera need access to caerns to regain Gnosis, when in fact caerns don't normally provide Gnosis. Garou donate Gnosis to caern totems. Moots can "recharge" Gnosis for Garou, but only by hunting down Englings during the Revel where those spirits are summoned for a Sacred Hunt. But one could hunt Englings at any time or any place theoretically.

    One has to read each of the breedbooks to determine the relationships between Fera and caerns. For my spirit broods project, I've been finally reading many of those...
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  • The heat of re-entry exceeds the temperature of lava. I would rule the vampire is incinerated before he could even reach the ground regardless of the Disciplines used. (That's assuming the vampire could still somehow avoid the light of the sun or that the high energy particles of space doesn't damage the vampire's body anyway). At least in the edition I looked in, Flesh of Marble does not apply to fire damage. And if it did mention it applied to fire, I would still rule that the description did not take into effect the massive difference between "normal" fire and something like molten...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Additional Spirit Broods
    Now I come to the Bastet looking for information as there clearly needs to be one or more major incarna based on the big cats. However, just like I originally conceived that both Nagah and Mokole would lead me to two different reptile spirit broods, I thought I'd probably have one spirit brood based on each kind of Bastet. However, after reading through the Bastet tribebook and their original description in the Players Guide, I now think one spirit brood covers it.

    The game's lore does a very good job of tying these various cat breeds together with its own set of mythology and legends...
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  • Should also point out that Gifts are not exclusive to one type. If you are a Metis Silver Fang Theurge, then "Sense Wyrm" is a gift that you can get from any of those lists. Other Gifts are often found in at least two different groups.
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Septs sharing pups
    I think your ideas are good. In my own chronicles, I often have small septs - that would have low numbers of cubs - send their cubs to a larger sept to complete their training and prepare for their Rite of Passage. So your idea is very similar. And I haven't had any players raise objections.

    I tend to have small septs of one tribe send their cubs to a larger mono-tribal sept that serves as a "center" for these other septs. But other arrangements make sense. Your idea of smaller septs within the same region alternating as the location for cubs to come together and do...
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  • The company website resolves the mystery. A pharmacy called Hirsch Apotheke was founded in Frankfurt in 1462. The Fresenius family took it over in the 19th century. The family proprietor established a pharmaceutical company in 1912 and that's when the corporation began.
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Additional Spirit Broods
    Turtle's brood also offers us some distinction. While most reptiles will go with the Dragon Kings, Turtle probably has the amphibians as well as many amphibious animals that aren't reptiles. Turtle is associated with stability, patience, longevity, and armor. Turtles are also liminal animals that cross the boundary between land and water. Shelled creatures also have a natural home here – so while I can't find printed spirits like armadillo or snail (or any shelled gastropod like abalone and conches), we can include them here. Croatan Song gives us Earth Burrowers, Trout, and Corn Maiden....
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Additional Spirit Broods
    Let's start with the Dragon Kings. I must admit I am not fond of that name. The term dragon has a lot of connotations I don't think truly represents these spirits. And I disagree with a lot of the backstory and description created for the Mokole (there is a certain kind of people who thinks weredinosaurs are very cool – I am not one of them). At the very least, I think the Garou would use a different name even if the Mokole and Nagah don't. I personally would like something else that could be a placeholder for a lord of reptiles. Maybe the Great Reptile/Lizard/Serpent. Or the King of...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Additional Spirit Broods
    Hmm, think this last post was meant for the kami thread... Oh, well.

    I next want to look at reptile spirits. The game has had many of them over the years, and besides the Croatan tribal totem of Turtle, there are also the Mokole and Nagah who are shapechangers. So there should be some Major Incarna with their own spirit broods out there.

    I originally thought to start at a trio of totems looking at Turtle, Crocodile, and Snake. But after borrowing the Mokole and Nagah tribebooks to look at what they mention about totems and spirits in general, I had to make changes....
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  • Garou are always Garou. They aren't kinfolk or human. Pre-change Garou are still Garou even if they may not be detected as such. It is determined at birth.

    Garou can have Garou, kinfolk, or human parents though (though not both parents being human). It just means there's a lot less chance the further on down the line you go. So parents who are 1 kinfolk and 1 human have an extremely slight chance to give birth to Garou, but it can still happen. There's probably a not insignificant number of Garou who now are born to parents who are unknowing kinfolk and/or human. Also, some...
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  • Business corporations did not really exist in the Middle Ages. As legal entities distinct from the people who owned them with limited liability (unlike sole proprietorships or partnerships), they really did not come about until the 1600s. And those were special charters created by crown or parliament to get people to put up money for high risk/high reward enterprises. Universal process of corporations did not come about until much later. There were some exceptions, but not very common. I am not familiar with the Frensenius company, but Wikipedia tells me it was not founded until 1912. It's...
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  • Good question. I had not given it any thought. And unlike the material published about klaives, I think the only info we get is the fetish description itself. So we're left to extrapolate a lot on our own. I had to quickly look it up in my old copy of second edition's Book of the Wyrm where it says this is a version of the Grand Klaive. So we might assume Dancers don't create versions of klaives, only grand klaives because that's what available to them due to the spirits they can deal with. Though they probably have a certain number of Garou created klaives they won in battle. But if an...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Scientology?
    Scientology can be seen as a form of Gnosticism where secret knowledge is the key to enlightenment/salvation. Possessing that knowledge along with "auditing" is what propels them on the Bridge to Total Freedom. If they get their mind right (become "Cleared" and then "Operating Thetan" or "OT"), then everything else follows including the superpowers they are supposed to develop. So I would make Mind the primary Sphere. If I was going to implement some group based on them that actually had an Awakened member, they'd either be an Orphan to reflect they...
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  • I think the short answer is that Wraith made a decision early on that the Underworld of different places should reflect the cultural beliefs about the afterlife. That worked fine for non-mechanical elements like having different Dark Kingdoms. However, it then morphed into souls are fundamentally different in different places, and we began to have different mechanics for different ghosts in different places (both African and Asian wraiths - and some of their unique Arcanoi - in the Dark Kingdoms of Ivory and Jade used different mechanics) - which I have always felt was a mistake. There's a...
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  • Sounds like we have different assumptions about the setting.

    The only time "secrets are being lost" would come into play is if someone decides to use that element of the Silver Forgers which is only found in first edition Players Guide. It's never mentioned again to my knowledge. I did not even know about it myself until I began doing archaeology for my study on klaives. I imagine this thread is the greatest exposure of this idea it has had in the past thirty years. So most chronicles don't have it at all. I think the idea has some merit, but I'm only using it for grand...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Set and Osiris thread
    Yes, that is around its time.

    This period of Egyptian history is a time when Egypt became dominated by the Libyans who lived west of the Nile. This is actually referenced in first edition Mummy which states "...Horus, allied with foreigners from the west, drove Set out of Egypt...". Which shows the people who wrote this actually knew something about Egyptian history!...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to WIR 5E Anarchs
    While I called them "factions", these are actually just classifications or categories that real factions could be slotted in.

    A real faction would have a name to identify them, some kind of organization, some kind of coherent program or propaganda, a real history behind them, and some kind of membership.

    Groups or factions that fall in the same category could be diametrically opposed to one another. There could be two Caitiff warlords trying to organize a pro-Caitiff movement, but oppose each other because of personality conflicts between the leaders or real...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to WIR 5E Anarchs
    The most obvious sub-factions for Anarchs would be:

    1) A Jeremy MacNeil style libertarian-ideologue paradise which only works with the right people, and they ruthlessly throw out anyone who doesn't fit. These people are probably the most romantic group with the best PR, but simply can't work for any extended group of vampires as it relies too much on the individual virtues of a race of bloodsucking parasites. There's likely many failed attempts at this with a few working domains scattered throughout the world who keep in contact with one another.

    2) A faction advocating...
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  • That such a soft metal can be used as a weapon has to be a result of the spirit side of the fetish, not the metal itself. Probably one of the "secrets" of the crafters learn.



    The cultural importance of klaives is probably more important than their use as actual weapon, so tradition is important. Modern weapons would be much more devastating, but would have no symbolic value. Plus, I personally think the idea that military grade weapons in common use would quickly break the Veil and imperil the Garou. Plus more silver = less Gnosis. So there is a cost....
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  • I think that's a perfectly fine approach in an individual chronicle. Although the entire point of the two Lodges are to balance the Silver Fangs' favor with both Celestines. I don't think the story about the Silver Forgers was ever repeated after the first edition Players Guide so it's likely immaterial to most chronicles.



    I do think the idea of klaives (or even just the grand klaives in my scenario) being limited to the Silver Fangs, AND the idea that the secret is becoming lost, do lead to some interesting options for STs. It gives them tools both at the local level...
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