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  • What I find strange is that when many of the original Vampire artists who did B&W artwork (like Bradstreet or Myers) did color versions of their vampires, they appear so deathly white. It's like all of them are Cappadocians! I imagined many vampires to be paler than normal, but not the blood drained completely away white pallor that show in the V20 corebook and elsewhere. So it's obviously a popular look for some people. Having that be the theme of one clan isn't a bad idea....
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  • A cub before their Rite of Passage and induction into a tribe is just a cub. Despite whatever Pure Breed or lineage they have, a cub can theoretically belong to any tribe. This is why male Garou born to Black Fury Garou or kin can be turned over to the Children of Gaia, or how cubs who fail the tests to become one tribe end up with the Bone Gnawers, or why the early books made mention of tribes "stealing" lost cubs who had their First Change and raise them in their tribe instead of giving them over to their "proper" tribe.

    So technically, if Lion could just adopt...
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  • This is an old issue long debated ever since the original books came out, and the twinks realized a lupus Ahroun Stargazer could have the maximum build points of any character (SGs used to have 5 starting WP). The imbalance bothers a lot of players. There's various threads on this forum that are about this, and you can probably find extremely old bulletin board notice from the early 1990s complaining about this and offering fixes as well.

    Technically, the penalty of being a Lupus (that compensates for the higher Gnosis) is the initial inability to buy certain Knowledges as lupus...
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  • As adambeyoncelowe said, the Erlking is a traditional figure of Germanic folklore. Goethe wrote a famous poem about him. While I can't be certain, I am pretty sure he was mentioned in the Companion simply as page filler in order to fill out that section of the book. I doubt there were ever plans to develop it. They just wanted to do some quick mentions of real folklore to create the impression there was this wider supernatural world in the Middle Ages. White Wolf tended to dump lots of interesting tidbits in the original Dark Ages books that would never be developed. I remember in the original...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Fostern theurge challenge
    The purpose of a rank challenge is for the Garou to demonstrate that he is ready for the responsibilities of that rank. A Fostern's responsibilities are fairly low. If a Cliath is a teenager just graduated from high school and ready to move out of his parents' house, then Fostern is someone who has mastered being an adult. He holds a steady job, saved up some money, owns his own means of transportation, pays all his own bills, stays out of trouble, and is ready for the responsibilities of starting his own family. For Garou that means he is no longer making the typical rookie mistakes of Cliaths....
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  • You conveniently ignore that 1) that is mentioned only at the level where the person has permanently damned their own soul, and thus the demon has won, and 2) you leave out the sentence that the infernalist pays for it heavily after death. At no point does it indicate the infernalist is able to cheat himself out of damnation, or play two demons against each other so they charge the infernalist a lower price. It's just a comment that allows the ST to make some very rare exceptions if it makes sense for them. It doesn't point to the scenario you are pushing.

    So yes, the House does win....
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    Last edited by Black Fox; 01-11-2022, 05:49 AM.

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  • No, the demon won't agree to that. Why would it? Why give the infernalist additional things if he won't continue to damn himself further?

    There's only limited benefit to the demon if he all he is getting is others to do stage 1 style evil. Who cares about that? It's only use is if it leads to the person doing more. Getting people to perform slander (a stage 1 sin) is minor! These kinds of sins are easily redeemed.

    If the infernalist can actually get people to do stage 2 style evil (murder or worse), he is moving himself up to stage 6 or 7 of above. So he is still...
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  • If an infernalist has already created a demonic cult and corrupting other people, he's already at stage 6, 7, or 8. But he's given that benefit to the demon for no advantages to himself. He's damning his own soul for free. That infernalist is WAY beyond stage 3 and doesn't even know it. The demon should be chuckling at this mortal's stupidity. The demon's task to get to a stage 10 is now a lot easier for it.

    You seem to operate with an understanding that the only way for a soul to go to hell is by making a Pact. It's not. A Pact is just an additional tool that demons have. Demons...
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  • As written, a person can make as many pacts of 9 points or less as they are able to fulfill.

    So it does seem possible for the person to abuse the system which leads to problems because only the demon should be able to abuse the system. Therefore, it is important for the ST to keep that in mind. The entire purpose of infernal pacts is so the person sells their soul to the demon. That's the end goal the demon has in mind - a level 10 pact. Unless the demon thinks the pact will help him in eventually getting the soul of the person, the demon should never agree to make a pact. Just...
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  • Do what the local fan base (your members and perspective members) wants. I know there are a lot of traditional setting supporters out there, but I also know I can't gauge the support of the new V5 setting relative to the old. Maybe nowadays there are more V5 fans.

    Since you may not know that initially, I would initially begin with the traditional Cam 7 clans (plus Caitiff), but also allow Lasombra anti-tribu. The based on feedback and interest, be willing to have the events of V5 happen offstage in a few game sessions with the potential to add new clans later and allow your PCs...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Bringing in non-WoD Material
    I rarely take anything directly from non-WoD material because I don't want to complicate the game's mythology or cause issues with the canon of other materials. That can lead into purist arguments at times so I want to avoid them. However, I do take lots of things inspired by other fictional worlds. I just take off the serial numbers as best I can and try to explain it using WoD concepts.

    The primary influence is the Lovecraft Mythos along with related works by Robert E. Howard and Clark Ashton Smith. Including Howard's work is super easy because the WoD already has lots of things...
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  • I would definitely add Corax. The WW books always mentioned the Pacific Northwest as one of the rare strongholds of the Corax (along with England and London), and since the Great Caern does have Raven as its totem, it makes sense the Corax would be there. In fact, it should be the one caern the Corax visit most frequently. I'd make it part of the sept's pact with the caern totem that they have to welcome the Corax and never harm one.
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Vicissitude and Nosferatu
    I don't know if we're using the same definitions for words. I don't think ANY of the clan curses should be crippling. In most games I've played, they are typically only flavor text or roleplaying incentives (the player is inspired by it and wants to explore it). Sometimes they do become "story fuel", but only because the ST needs something to hook the players, and it could just as easily be anything else they have on their character sheet or backstory.



    Yes, it definitely depends on the ST. Clan curses could become nothing but flavor text, a minor inconvenience,...
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