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  • Black Fox
    replied to Malfean Kindred
    Originally the Followers of Set were outright worshipers of the Wyrm.

    And within the Tremere there was a secret society called the Order of the Wyrm (who had access to a book called the Al-Azif written by an Abd Al-Azrad - for those who don't know their Lovecraft, this is a blatant reference to the Necronomicon of the Cthulhu Mythos).
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  • Black Fox
    replied to A Tribe Fallen
    Since Artemis is an aspect of Luna, there is a setting implication that she can't be a tribal totem. Luna has already given the Garou her gifts, so she can't favor any specific group over another. Similar restrictions apply to Gaia and Wolf (although to be fair, they might have special kind of avatars that can be totems - Danu and Fenris (and Winter Wolf and Old Wolf of the Woods) respectively, but that is not entirely clear). However, Artemis sent Pegasus to the Black Furies in lieu of her own patronage. Pegasus, as a creature who flies in the air (like the moon) and who is white/silver -...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to A Tribe Fallen
    I don't there has been any official connection, but in early White Wolf material, there was a tendency to imply certain things while not stating it explicitly.

    There are several mentions of Typhon in Werewolf material, but i haven't seen anything that has linked them together. In the original Freak Legionbook, there was the Sons of Typhon from the Tai Upsilon Phi fraternity, and in the same book they mentioned the Serpent Brotherhood (a different kind of fomori) members were favored as recruits, but nothing specifically tied together the Banes from the two. And no formal connection...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to A Tribe Fallen
    It wasn't just in the tribebooks (although that is where the camps are). The first edition Storyteller Handbook has a lot of good information, and there's some good things spread about in other early edition material.

    In Rage Across Russia, we learn about the Typhon spirit, one of Grandfather Thunder's brood, betraying him and leading the septs where he is caern totem, and his packs, to the Wyrm. Yet when Typhon is mentioned in the revised Shadow Lord tribebook, we just get a revised totem description and nothing about it leading its children to the Wyrm. While it is possible...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to A Tribe Fallen
    Almost every tribe had a camp that was "Wyrmish" - it was engaged in an activity forbidden by the Litany, implied to be doing the Wyrm's bidding in some way, or involved in activity that could be corrupting. All of those camps seemed to have been eliminated in Revised material or massively downplayed.

    They were many camps trying to overthrow or replace the leadership of the Silver Fangs. Not only the Shadow Lords, there were camps in the Get of Fenris, Children of Gaia, Stargazers,and even an allied faction among the Red Talons and Wendigo. Even the Black Furies were...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to A Tribe Fallen
    Bone Gnawers.

    There's various signs that there is something serious wrong with the tribe. It doesn't pay much attention to the Litany. It makes lot of deals with vampires. Their totem, Rat, is acting increasingly strangely. A large number of the tribe (the Rabble), have effectively abandoned the struggle for Gaia. There is large enough numbers of Man Eaters that it is a camp of the tribe.

    Now, most of the evidence dates from the first/second edition era which presented a more multi-faceted depiction of the tribes. Much of the wrong found in the Gnawers (and that...
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  • In terms of the Sabbat, you have to separate their true origins versus the propaganda developed by the sect's leaders afterwards.

    The Sabbat developed in stages. And the first stage was only those Anarchs who refused to reconcile with the elders under the terms laid out at the Convention of Thorns. That was it. There was no special animus against the Antedeluvians. Just against the elders. Now, of course, the slaying of the antedeluvian founders of the Lasombra and Tzimisce were important events of the Anarch Revolt. But that doesn't mean the Anarch Revolt was about every clan...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to Kuei-jin: How to Fix?
    For whatever reason, the early developers of the game liked the idea that there was some strange, secretive unknown vampires from East Asia which could act as boogeymen to the standard vampires found everywhere else in the world. In particular, they were the reason the Camarilla was chased out of Hong Kong. 1st edition World of Darkness introduced the Gaki. Dark Alliance: Vancouver introduced the Bushi. For all practical purposes, they were simply new clans or bloodlines. Incidentally, both were specifically from Japan.

    Then years later we finally got Kindred of the East, and...
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  • The independent clans were introduced in the first edition Player's Guide which came out shortly after Chicago By Night. However, I think many people were introduced to the game in the second edition hardback (which only had the seven Camarilla clans) and picked up the first edition Chicago By Night. Since the original Player's Guide quickly stopped being published, they probably learned of the independent clans in the second edition hardcover Vampire Players Guide and CbN 2nd edition came out after that. (I think, not 100% sure).
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  • This actually is not true. Africa is far larger in geographic area than Europe, but for most of history it has been relatively sparsely inhabited especially outside North Africa which is part of the Mediterranean world, not the sub-Saharan Africa of the Ebony Kingdom.

    Africa's relatively low population was for several different reasons. One is that there are far more diseases that affect humans in Africa than elsewhere. This impacts mortality, fertility, and productivity. Another is that most of the staple crops that lead to productive agriculture are not from Africa, but from...
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  • I don't think the meetings of the Inner Circle every 13 years are Conclaves. I thought they were their own things, kept in secrecy except for those pronouncements they wanted public - like who the new Justicars are. But I could be wrong.

    To me, the prime examples of Conclaves were the yearly Conclaves the Gangrel Justicar held every year in New Orleans. Compare that to his other North American based Justicar Petrodon who was there specifically to suppress the Anarchs. I would have been very interested in what exactly happened in those yearly New Orleans Conclaves. What issues...
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  • Actually the Camarilla represented massive change in vampire society. I can think of several major changes at the top of my head.

    1) The massive control sires had over their childer ended. Beforehand, sires could create and destroy their childer at will, and the setting implied would blood bond them at will too (probably always). After the Camarilla was established that changed because those powers were transferred to the Prince (who as a political figure could always be balanced by Primogen and domain politics). The frequency of blood blond being lessened is something that one...
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  • It doesn't make sense. Period. People act stupidly because that is what is needed for the plot to work. It's just bad writing.

    Now, any single thing in that chain of events is perfectly fine.
    • Theo Bell can leave the Camarilla and become an Anarch.
    • Many of the Brujah clan can defect from the sect.
    • Some vampire could serve as mediator between the Camarilla and the disaffected vampires considered Anarchs.
    What doesn't work is the combination of these things.
    • Traitors and defectors are rarely trusted by the side they defect to. Theo Bell's slaying of so many Anarchs would make
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  • I've yet to use the Baali for any of my chronicles, but if I did, I'd treat them like a sect/cult. Members come from the regular clans, but once they join they learn the secrets of their unique Discipline.
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  • The entire event was utterly contrived in order for the game to have an "event". For that to happen, there were several things that had to happen, and any number of which lead to various points of disagreement by players. So if you don't get it, you're not alone. It was just one of many, many bad decisions during the Revised metaplot era. Every gaming group I personally know of has just ignored it.

    But if it's to your taste, then enjoy. But I'd recommend changing the event in order for its conclusion to make sense to you and your gaming group.
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