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  • Black Fox
    replied to tribal moots
    I think we are talking past each other. I am not sure how to explain myself any different because you keep ignoring what I am saying.

    Obviously the style of sept moots are partially reflected by the tribe(s) at the sept, just as they reflect the nature of the caern totem itself. Regardless of the caern totem, a sept controlled by the Get of Fenris will have different style than if it was controlled by the Children of Gaia, or if it was controlled by a coalition of Glass Walkers and Bone Gnawers.

    But we are not talking about sept moots.

    We are talking about...
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  • Black Fox
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    Tribal moots are not sept moots, so why would they performing a gift to the caern? Tribal moots and sept moots are two entirely different things. Even if the sept is a mono-tribal one, those two moot types are still different. The sept would still be performing its normal monthly sept moots, and then the members of the tribe at the sept - even if it is everyone - would be holding a separate moot rite at whatever frequency and style is typical for the tribe.
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  • Black Fox
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    I'm curious, have you actually read the individual posts I've been making on each tribe? Because I'm pulling what actually gets said from several different books about their tribal moots and trying to put them together.
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  • Black Fox
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    Down to the last two tribes - Uktena and Wendigo. I am going to take a slight break before I do, but hope to get them done next week.

    This has actually been a good exercise for me as I have short notes for all the tribes and how to distinguish their different tribal gatherings, while keeping my STing to a minimum. I imagine for many PCs, they will simply want them handwaved with brief flavor text. But for those who want something more in depth, I have a framework to work in.

    This has taken more work than I thought, mainly because a lot of this requires interpretation...
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  • Black Fox
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    There is almost no information given on Stargazer moots. The corebook says they are simple affairs, if they are held at all. Several tribe members meet up, exchange information, engage in riddle contests, or just meditate. Sometimes no words are even spoken.

    I could not find anything in either tribebook about their tribal moots.

    In the Storyteller's Handbook section on seasonal moots, we're just given the rite of the Sky Hunt which can be done during any lunar eclipse, and unlike the other seasonal rites, are done by individual Garou instead of in groups. So while...
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  • Black Fox
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    Strangely, we are not given much detail on Silver Fang tribal moots. The second edition corebook simply says the tribe holds their moots in isolated, idyllic locations, and that they are very ceremonious with dancing and singing, and litanies to the spirits. The Fangs where white robes on these occasions.

    I cannot find any specific mention of tribal moots in the first edition corebook at all. I suspect a major reason is the space taken up by the various Royal Houses and lodges which other books do not need to deal with. However, it does mention that the Sun and Moon lodges organize...
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  • Black Fox
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    I imagine in practice that is what happens - local Garou of the tribe meet at a nearby sept that is solely of that tribe, or dominated by that tribe. However, there are no doubt regions where the tribe does not control any caern, and they meet elsewhere. This may be because the tribe has so few in numbers (like the Silent Striders) that do not control many caerns, or have cases like the Shadow Lords who meet in secret and this can't have their shadow moots in the open which rules out caerns....
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  • Black Fox
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    I think you are confusing tribal moots with grand moots. Grand moots are called to discuss important matters that affect the entire tribe. Grand moots would deal with many of the topics you just mentioned. Grand moots are rare because the reasons to justify them are rare.

    Tribal moots though are rather local, and the exact scale probably depends on the general population in general. In a mono-tribal sept, it is probably just the sept members and maybe a few additional local tribe members outside that sept. Or it might be all the tribal Garou in one protectorate, or in a regional...
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  • Black Fox
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    Hats and trench coats work wonders at hiding monstrous deformities.
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  • Black Fox
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    Thanks for commenting! I'd like more.

    I think monotribal septs will have sept moots that are heavily influenced by the tribal culture. But I don't think that makes them "tribal moots". Tribal moots are not about an individual caern (and whatever caern totem there is). They are about the tribe, the tribal totem, and tribal needs/politics. In many cases, they will need to "open up" and take in tribal Garou who are not normally sept members. And their concerns will not be about the caern totem or local sept affairs. The fact that focus is about honoring/appeasing...
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  • I heavily disagree.

    The Delerium may last a scene, but it is very specific as to what it covers. You don't recognize THAT Garou (to whatever degree on the Delerium Chart based on WP). It doesn't distort anything else. People would still know various animals are those animals and that people are people. It is not a schizophrenic break with reality, but a specific effect based on the individual Garou and their reaction to it. The Garou with the Pierced Veil flaw should not be any more distorted than any non-Garou.

    Now of course, certain manifestations of the Delerium...
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  • Black Fox
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    Silent Striders are known to be nomadic, so it is not a surprise that their tribal moots are "extremely rare." Storytelling about their past travels is a major portion of their moots. It is also said the tribe travels into the Umbra a lot during their moots, and that their moots - in fact- travel from one spot to the next with extensive use of races and relays. I interpret it as that a tribal moot "area' is in fact an extremely large territory, and that within that territory the Striders will make multiple camps during the course of the moot. Although not mentioned, I imagine...
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  • I use G'lough as a stand-in for Shub-Niggurath as well, but I try to rub off the serial #s a bit more than you do. I try not to transplant Lovecraftian entities directly into my World of Darkness, but the concepts behind those entities. I do like the strategic placing of Fomorian names alongside them, as well as other mythological names.

    I recommend Tsathoggua as a good Great Old One that can be transplanted in the game. He's less alien and malevolent than a lot of mythos concepts (most of Clark Ashton Smith's are compared to Lovecraft) and thus something that can be introduced...
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  • I think one of the reasons Metis existed in the first place was to answer the question, if we have werewolves who are born from humans (homids) and werewolves who are born from wolves (lupus), then what happens when it is the werewolves who mate? If you remove the Metis breed, you still have that question to answer.

    Now it is true that Metis don't exist as actual werewolf myth and folklore. But MOST of the game is like that. In folklore, werewolves are simply humans practicing black magic to turn into wolves which then attacks and kill livestock or their fellow man. There is no...
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  • This is wonderful. I am stealing a lot of this for my Werewolf campaigns. I tend to incorporate a lot of cosmic horror for the Wyrm, and being able to tie this into Changeling lore as well actually helps a lot.
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  • Black Fox
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    For two reasons. First, if you had something like armor to protect you, and damage went through it, it would most likely soak lethal first and leave you with bashing (the lethal damage from the sword or bullet didn't go through, but you still have something like bad bruising, aka bashing). That is not exactly the situation here, but I find it comparable. Second, players would much prefer this option than the other option as it allows them to do more things and be more active in the game, which is generally preferable in an RPG. As long as the rule applies to both NPCs and PCs, I'm fine with...
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  • Black Fox
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    In similar circumstances, I've also soaked the worst damage first.
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  • Black Fox
    replied to "Branded by the Camarilla"
    Another possibility is that the higher up Tremere did do some kind of massive ritual that impacted all Thin Bloods (just like they did with the antitribu and Assamites), but that it is not "activated" until something much more mundane happens, like someone physically branding them. In this situation, you don't need an actual Thaumaturgical ritual done each time someone "brands" a Thin Blood, as the big ritual done by the more powerful Tremere did that for them. However, in order for the mark to show, something mundane still needs to happen - which is information that's been...
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  • Black Fox
    replied to "Branded by the Camarilla"
    It's likely one of those things that sound cools, but details were never given any thought. And once you do, the entire thing falls apart.

    However, there would be a kind of branding that would not be Masquerade endangering - and that is something similar to the invisible marks given to the Tremere anti-tribu. So perhaps the Tremere made some kind of lesser artifact through a ritual that could band an infinite or predetermined number of Thin Bloods (and only thin bloods) which would only be apparent through a low level of auspex. There'd be some klunky logistics of creating and...
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  • Black Fox
    Black Fox posted a Visitor Message for Dwight
    Welcome back. I thought you got perma-banned.
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