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  • It's just too large a license to die. Somewhere, someone will be looking for an interesting property to buy and snatch it up, just like Paradox did.
    Plus, it's Vampire. Just wait for the Torpor timer to end and pour some blood on it....
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  • I would assume +0 and +5. Aggravated is a massive boost for damage, +9 would be in Call of Cthulhu PC mortality range.
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  • It would also be reasonable to subject the Lasombra to all kinds of additional rules, like not holding office for 50 years, submitting to blood bonds or coming alone - which is exactly what happened in many domains since such a mass exodus is extremely suspicious.

    The development is probably too new, particularly with the lines of communication hobbled and some Clans not being all that centralized anyway - a Clan like the Tremere pre-decapitation would have an opinion. But the Toreador? Primogen 1 hates the Lasombra for having murdered their lover, Prince 2 considers their exodus...
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  • These are vampires we're talking about. Half of them probably wouldn't even care if they knew he was defecting - he's their ticket to greener pastures, end of story....
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  • Cifer
    replied to These new Lasombras
    How about adding four dice to rolls when using blood surge, healing three points of damage per rouse, adding three dice to all disciplines and roughly halfing the cost of all disciplines at level four and below?...
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  • Nah, that one's just plain annoying, like one of those flaws that suddenly everyone else in the group has to play around though they didn't get any points for it....
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  • Yeah, the forum software is... special. I just quote the first post, copy the text, then unquote it, quote the second and paste the first back in....
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  • So we're living in Interesting Times. But compared to previous editions, this actually feels slimmer to me. Flaws are categorized as one or two dots, so you'll always have one major or two minor flaws, compared to V20 where you could theoretically amass 7 one-dot flaws - now that was book-keeping.

    Why do you get seven points of Advantages? Why do you have nine Attributes instead of three? Why focus particularly on the Flaws?...
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  • Oh, come on. Two points of flaws can mean "You're illiterate." Or "You can more easily be blood-bound". Or "Some subgroup hates you." Or "People know that you're supposed to be dead and your Haven is a dilapidated mess that looks like serial killer central - best not invite someone over."
    If that's your idea of bookkeeping, wait until you have to keep in mind that your character knows more than three other people....
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  • The books have been a massive fustercluck when it comes to PR. Yes, they've been edited, but they will always be tainted as "the books that made Paradox eat White Wolf and give out the license to Modiphius". I assume the companies want to essentially bury them and replace them with a more blank slate....
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  • They will, but only as pre-orders. If you can convince your store to pre-order one for you, you can get it....
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  • And how do you think the rule of a Prince works, if they're not a puppet for their Primogen council?
    Yes, a Prince will not rule by fear alone. But considering they're ruling over a species of immortal predators, it's certainly safer to be feared rather than loved if you can't be both....
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  • It is. But try disrespecting the don/oyabun/avtoritet and see how far you get....
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  • Personally, I think Chicago is mostly the trial balloon and, as mentioned, an effort to set a precedent, to start a wave that other cities will be swept up in. If Chicago fails, well, two Magisters lost (one of them a Neonate of 20 years, the other a barely functioning near-wight), let's try somewhere else. If the Camarilla hadn't suffered its current series of crises, the other Princes would probably laugh at the idea of the negotiations of a Neonate Lasombra and an Ancilla Prince having any sort of meaning in the long run, but right now, they can create facts.

    I really like the...
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  • "Follow humanity" has very little to do with being moral in a human sense - it's just a prerequisite for it because the alternative is to be on an utterly, utterly inhuman Path of Enlightenment. But the elder with Humanity 3 still "follows Humanity" even as they consider humans to be basically cattle.
    "Cultured" is also a false lead. Southern plantation owners were indubitably more cultured than their slaves. Shall we talk about who was more moral?
    And respect, finally, is actually a pretty big deal in street culture.

    The Camarilla certainly...
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  • Cifer
    replied to These new Lasombras
    But even if we used the appellation of Muad'Dib, the meaning would still have changed, from a specific allegiance (Ravnos Antitribu describes Ravnos in the Sabbat, not non-independent Ravnos - and the Salubri Antitribu don't even have a main clan beyond a few hermits anymore) to "whoever is not biggest faction". And who knows? Maybe the term will come back with a specific meaning, perhaps describing the Sabbat clans once more than "they're out there and you don't want to meet them" is known about them....
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  • Cifer
    replied to These new Lasombras
    Basically, yes. But this is not „just rewrite half the book!“ – the core book already contains the older setting. It details what an intact Camarilla power structure looks like, with Prince, Primogen, Harpies and so on. How much of that you want to break via Beckoning, SI, Anarch uprising or Camarilla withdrawal is up to you, even though the book implies few cities will have gone totally unscathed.
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  • 2 points is indeed standard. But considering how the definition of Flaws has broadened, it’s usually relatively simple to get those two points.
    (Also, certain predator types or other templates get extra flaws)...
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  • Cifer
    replied to These new Lasombras
    i thought the problem was that there was no reason behind the removal of the Antitribu appellation and it was just „change for change‘s sake“. Now it’s that change is happening at all.

    And yet, it is still entirely possible to play in a setting that is barely distinguishable from the usual V20 one. It won’t be the most average V5 setting, but who cares about average?...
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  • Cifer
    replied to These new Lasombras
    Exactly. The facts changed, so the appellations did as well. Antitribu made sense in prior editions. It doesn’t anymore though - note that even the Camarilla clans will have large Anarch factions because the Cam shrunk down to „whoever is useful or powerful enough“. I would assume there are very few clans that have a majority of their members in a single sect by now. Tremere and Ventrue for the Cam, Brujah for Anarchs. Perhaps the Ministry as well. Everyone else may have strong pluralities at best....
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