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  • Cifer
    replied to Central theme of Serpentis
    Well, going by V20, the first four discipline level are named "The Eyes of the Serpent", "The Tongue of the Asp", "The Skin of the Adder" and "The Form of the Cobra". So I'd say... yeah, snakes. Go up the ladder and you can branch out from snakes towards "stuff from egyptian mythology".

    (Note, by the way, that Quietus breaks with its own theme at level 1 - silence is pretty handy for an assassin, but it has very little to do with the manipulation of blood).
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  • I would assume there are no stains or at most one.
    "Treasure your past" is right out as some guy you've met maybe a month before presumably doesn't count as part of your past.
    "Don't be a monster" is of course a very vague tenet, but I would assume questioning an enemy combatant (without application of torture) does not count, even though the guy's in a miserable shape.
    "Never kill the innocent" depends on how you define "innocent". I would assume that SI spooks usually don't count, particularly not when they act as you've described.
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  • Was it? I can't remember anything directly referencing the Technocracy when it comes to SI, beyond an oblique "if you want to include them, they're probably on board"....
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  • Well, depends on what you call fragile - on the other hand side, vampires have no best-before-dates, so a singular vampiric master can be a continuity by themself that exists for longer than most mortal institutions do.
    Additionally, ghouls in particular are just begging for a take-over. If you know which companies or agencies a deceased vampire had infiltrated, it's probably relatively easy to find the ghouls inside and make them an offer they can't refuse (without going cold turkey and aging 10+ years)....
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  • Cifer
    replied to [V5] Moloch's Will
    I think they were both intended to be there, as the two clashing images of Carthage.
    Of course, it would still have been nice to actually provide mechanics for Moloch's Will......
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  • Cifer
    replied to V5 Camarilla, Chechnya
    I must say I absolutely love the idea behind the setting - a state run by vampires for vampires turning a country into hell on earth. One can only imagine what one of the pining-for-Carthage Brujah would have to say about it.

    It's just a pity that such a setting has no place within Vampire: The Masquerade, both because it just doesn't work when one of the main plots is "Everyone expects the Second Inquisition!" and because it is superimposed on and thus trivializes mortal evil.
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  • Cifer
    replied to Sunlight protection
    Everything the vampire knows, the Beast knows, including the fact that inevitable death lurks about an inch away from the vampire's skin. Not showing it directly will certainly be helpful, to a point, but take your biggest arachnophobe friend, put them in biker leathers and tell them they're perfectly safe from the 20 or so poisonous spiders in the room, which, by the way, they can't see....
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  • Cifer
    replied to Sunlight protection
    I believe you are seriously overestimating the price and complexity of such a suit.
    Alternate solution: Go to your nearest fetish shop, buy a latex catsuit including a mask, get a VR headset to put on top of it and some emergency patches for holes. Estimated price: Less than two thousand dollars.

    DuncanD
    IIRC, the "sunbag" is simply a classic heavy duty body bag (the kind you always see in police procedurals even though noone uses them in RL anymore). It's used by anarchs as a last resort for traveling and most of them hate it because... well, any mortal stumbling...
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  • True, but the Werewolf Abyss is also a realm of endings and absolute darkness. Drawing a connection from there to the Shadowlands and the Labyrinth on the one side and Obtenebration on the other really isn't far-fetched....
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  • Cifer
    replied to Camarilla and Anarch Guides
    Two (rather cringe-worthy) pages do not make a book of 200....
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  • Cifer
    replied to Camarilla and Anarch Guides
    First of all: Huh?
    Second, it does make sense. Yes, everyone's Camarilla when it benefits the Camarilla to claim that. But when the Second Inquisition comes knocking and every little captured Neonate could point them to the nearest Elysium? Oops, turns out you are not quite worth the hassle.

    Of course not. But there have always been vampires who thought they might become the good guys - and some of them managed to pull it off, for a while.

    Going by the inscription (ow, my eyes hurt... the PDF isn't exactly high-definition when you zoom in like that), it's the Order...
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  • Cifer
    replied to Camarilla and Anarch Guides
    The main difference between V1-20 and V5 is that the Camarilla essentially said everyone is belonging to them, at least in the places where they hold power. If your city has a Prince, you're Camarilla and bound (and protected) by the Traditions, end of story.

    Undead rabbit
    I disagree about the gerontocracy part. Yes, that's how it often works out in practice, but in the end, the Camarilla is about power. An incapable Primogen or Prince won't keep their position for long just because they're old and a prodigy can often shave off decades from the usual cut-off-point for being...
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  • Cifer
    replied to Camarilla and Anarch Guides
    The main tipping point would likely be the Camarilla pulling back from its "everyone belongs to us" claim, which suddenly frees up the whole vampiric underclass that was counted as Cam, but only ever interacted with the establishment when they either tried to gain a boon or were coerced into doing so. Those guys still exist (and are still exploited), of course, but they're no longer counted as actually Camarilla....
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  • Cifer
    replied to Camarilla and Anarch Guides
    By the way: The PDFs seem to suffer from the same problem as the core book: The bookmarks are a mess. Anarchs has no indentation at all while Camarilla has sensible chapter titles like "The" "view from the" and "top". I really hope those get fixed soon (along with the core book)! Apparently, the automatically generated bookmarks really don't work with heavily layouted books.
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  • Cifer
    replied to Camarilla and Anarch Guides
    Yep - Quietus has essentially been divided into Blood Sorcery and Obfuscate powers, both of which are clan disciplines.

    Also, they get two new rituals: Ishtar's Touch, which creates a touch-based narcotic that makes people more open to suggestions (reduces Composure/Resolve dice pools), and One With The Blade, that lets them dedicate a weapon. A consecrated blade becomes indestructible and can be fed more blood (a Rouse) to add dice to the user's melee rolls for a scene, but what I really love about it is that if the weapon is ever used against the ritualist, it inflicts Aggravated...
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  • Cifer
    replied to VtDA - Possession Body Switch
    And another one for the chorus: Nope, doesn't work. It's even somewhat dubious if you can use the physical disciplines as the discipline doesn't say so.
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  • While a more precise wording would have been helpful, I think this rule is indeed supposed to act as a sort of speed bump - you can't ever be torpored by a single attack unless it deals aggravated damage (or is of the "completely obliterate your body" variety). If there's no follow-up damage, you can always come back by investing a little blood.
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  • Note that V5's werewolf version does have in fact "five dots in both" (and 4 Celerity, 5 Animalism, 1 Obfuscate and 2 Auspex to boot). While those obviously won't translate over to W5 directly, I think it's relatively clear the V5 design team still wants Lupines to be the bigger and badder monsters when it comes to physical conflict....
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  • I think it was clear for a while that the Beckoning has its limits. The core book notes that some elders are trying to stave off its effects by drinking younger blood in what seems to be a kind of reverse-diablerie.
    And while the Antediluvians are still extremely powerful, they've never been described as limitless - otherwise, Gehenna would already have happened...
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  • Cifer
    replied to WoD is it still ok in 2018.
    Is it possible you're misunderstanding what this is all about? Because the problem is not about cruelty and darkness existing in the World of Darkness. It really isn't. On the contrary, by discussing techniques like Lines and Veils, individual groups can tackle far darker topics than was safely possible in the 90s.
    The problem arises when really existing peoples that suffer from persecution are used as props in ways that mischaracterize them and heap just a little bit more on their individual piles of prejudice.

    Also, a few words regarding the word "trigger".
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