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  • Cifer
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    How so? There were five endings, three of them could be considered good, one of them Anarch, but the Camarilla and Independent endings were generally positive too. To actually "lose", you had to either throw in your lot with the guy who was in utterly over his head or the lady who constantly showed how untrustworthy she was....
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  • If we're talking V5, this would heavily depend on the Chronicle Tenets - if there's nothing in there that says accepting your vampirism is bad, it would certainly feature in art....
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  • I wouldn't be too sure about that - in medieval times, the 13th generation was considered "thin" and sterile. In modern times, the 14th came, then near the end of Revised the 15th. Now we're at 16th....
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  • Cifer
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    The main criticism about the Ravnos is that they're a walking Roma stereotype with basically every "gypsy" prejudice thrown in, up to a clan weakness that makes them prone to vice and crime. Would you say that they would be less tone-deaf if it was clarified that they're totally not real Roma, but a supernatural form and their penchant for vice is exaggerated by the Beast?...
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  • Cifer
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    Would you say the same could or should apply to the Ravnos?...
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  • Cifer
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    And yet minorities like people of colour or the mentally ill do get shot proportionally more often....
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  • What's the point of any supernatural power? To strengthen a certain concept. In this case, that the Duskborn are changing the curse in ways other vampires don't quite understand. There's a power that older vampires, for all their might, cannot possess. How do they interact with that? Do they trade with the alchemists? Employ them? Abduct some? Conduct experiments on them? Kill them all for their blasphemy? Kill them all for their threatening power?
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  • Cifer
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    And yet stigmatization remains a very real and sometimes lethal problem. So much so that in the US, one of the basic rules seems to be "don't call the police to deal with a mentally ill person" for the simple reason that they might get shot rather than calmed down or subdued. "Autistic" is still being used by many news organizations as a synonym for "completely lacking in common sense or empathy."

    Realistic and empathic portrayal of mental illnesses in high-profile media can help change public perception. Fishmalks can do their part in perpetuating stereotypes...
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  • Frontline989
    Um, how much weaker were they supposed to go? You gain full aggravated damage from guns and bladed weapons. Any superficial damage you do manage to take, you heal 1:1 with blood. You can't surge, your phenomenal cosmic powers consist of one shifting dot of a first level discipline and maybe sometimes a second one. Without a merit, you still can't act for more than maybe half a minute in sunlight. You can't use your blood to bond, to properly ghoul or to embrace. And for everything of those that you want to change, you lose some of your precious few advantages.
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  • In V5, only blood directly from the source can form a bond. Letting it "cool down" a little after bloodletting before ingesting it would minimize the risk.
    That said, a domitor cannot directly break a blood bond, but a domitor expressly telling their thrall to keep away from them would likely increase the speed of the bond breaking.
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  • Cifer
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    Tell their crimes to the Prince? Frame them for your crimes to the Prince? Manipulate events so they lose their power? Remind them of their lost Humanity? Debate them out of existence?

    If you think a story can only end with you killing someone, you may be lacking in imagination.

    jamiemalk
    Even if they choose to go for a realistic portrayal of mental illness, it would still be only one clan in 5+ that may not be playable for you....
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  • Cifer
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    Yeah, who would ever play a realistically portrayed mental illness?...
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  • Cifer
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    I think there are two ways Malkavians could legitimately go. Either do the work and portray mental illness correctly and accurately or make it clear that their Clan Bane is not in any way related to any real-world mental illness.
    Personally, I'd prefer the first one.

    ...unless at some point some elder thinks that you're a nuisance, in which case it's likely noone will lift a finger to help you while your unlife is being made hell or ended....
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  • Cifer
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    What video game are you talking about? Because I don't think I've heard anyone talking about needing a game to "focus" on it. The only things we know is that BL2 will allow you to select pronouns and that the game may take some stances on so far completely unknown issues. Perhaps they'll present white supremacists as evil rather than giving a "both sides" story. We'll see.

    As I just said, no, that doesn't prove anything. Would you say that Elizabeth I. proves that 16th century England was not a misogynistic society? Would you say the same about Catherine II. and...
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  • Cifer
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    Take a look at the first paragraph of her bio. That wasn't part of her V5 characterization, but of the very first time the character appeared.
    Yes, Clan Tremere had a few exceptional women among its ranks. There always were exceptional women, in all periods of history. But the existence of a Joan of Arc, a Mary Shelley, a Mary Anning, a Catherine the Great do not mean they did not live in deeply misogynistic societies....
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  • And if we're going a little more chaste than that, a hand kiss with the palm turned up would be considered an unusual stylistic choice, but would remind vampiric viewers obviously of feeding from the wrist, often in a blood-bound relationship....
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  • Cifer
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    Please, do tell that to Carna....
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  • Cifer
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    First stuff I found regarding the topic:

    https://hornet.com/stories/battletech-gender-options/
    https://www.greenmangaming.com/newsr...ling-backlash/
    https://steamcommunity.com/app/63709...6342868409560/

    So yeah, there was more than a bit of backlash.


    (That said, just to be clear: I'd say BL1's treatment of the topic was about average for its day. It's just that its day was 2004, and bringing sexuality into games was still... well, not new, but certainly not on the level of today. If Bloodlines 2 stuck to the same standard, it would be like...
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  • Cifer
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    Google "battletech pronouns", I dare you.

    Then, presumably, this option hasn't been implemented there for you, just like Captain Marvel and Black Panther weren't produced primarily for the people who got to see themselves in fiction from the day they were old enough to watch movies.

    That's two, one apparently added in later via patch, compared to how many lesbian and straight male-to-female advances?
    Also, I'm going out on a limb here and assume that you are male, non-trans and probably straight - in short, the demographic the game catered to. When it...
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  • Cifer
    replied to Bloodlines 2 Announced.
    Eh, this is all massive amounts of guess-work right now, going from a set of pictures that maybe possibly kinda imply what clans might be in the game at launch. I'd suggest to just wait and see.

    While that is true, they're still part of the Core 7 and Camarilla membership isn't exactly likely for a Thin-Blood anyway....
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