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  • I personally think it's partially bullshit that the hermetics lost. It was necessary for sales of vampire to have the hermetics loose

    You can't sell your flagship line as well if the vampires who people often play keep getting shit kicked!

    The hermetics get shoe horned into whatever they need to be to have lost the war. However they need to get rewritten, they get rewritten, that's the bottom line in this.

    Logistically speaking, the whole idea that it would take about two centuries for the order to learn the Tremere were vampires also strikes me as bullshit...
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    Last edited by Zennis; 04-20-2017, 08:10 PM.

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  • This chronicle must take place in the city we are playing in, this city has a population of about two and a half million in the metro area. That is the setting...
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  • How do werewolves amass political influence

    I want to use some werewolves in a vampire LARP, I would like to use the werewolves as an entrenched group who are capable of being a threat to an entire (newly established) vampiric court of Camarilla and Anarch Vampires.

    These werewolves must not be brute force "Lupines" as Vampire often depicts them. They must be tech savy, cunning, patient and politically influential people who will not reveal themselves or strike directly if it's too risky.

    In short, I want good political antagonists but for reasons not under my control, the Sabbat and other groups of vampires...
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    Last edited by Zennis; 04-14-2017, 07:21 PM.

  • I wasn't suggesting they could, I was talking about vampires having the ability to work hedge magic, a proposition which was being discussed as potentially impossible.

    Thus, I made reference to the fact that it is possible....
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  • Wolves of the sea

    It's not even an expensive merit!...
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  • Cynic01 you have made a very good series of points but I think it's possible that you're misinterpreting the material.

    First off, vampires can practice hedge magic just like mortals can. It's entirely possible to do so. I think the references to the vampire loosing their magic is in explicit reference to AWAKENED magic but that's my opinion. I see no reason why a sorcerer who was embraced would loose his or her mastery over linear magic.

    Secondly: Going back to hedge magic after centuries wouldn't be easy, it'd be like relearning or learning ANEW something that had...
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  • Cynic01

    You are mistaken in your assumption I think, to say that a spirit says it witnessed Etrius warding off magical attacks is proof of the development of thaumaturgy is a bridge too far.

    First off, the spirit's words may be misinforming, intentionally or unintentionally.

    Secondly, simply because Etrius, who is a vampire at this point, is creating wards does NOT mean he has developed thaumaturgy, it could be that Etrius has is in the process of doing so and that his efforts may or may not have been effective.

    It is my opinion that the Tremere...
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  • No, it doesn't. What Aleph said above is actually correct, you do NOT simply get free thaumaturgy right away. It stills takes time to develop....
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  • No they drank some potion that Goratrix, Tremere's right hand man, cooked up. Apparently, being turned into vampires was NOT the desired effect and came as something of a surprise....
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  • I hear you, a bunch of angry Hermetics, high on pride and pissed that one of their own "fell to the pathetic state of Vampirism" might just say "we will easily destroy them all and declare total war without further discussion!!!" I could see that for sure.

    The whole Tremere drinking the potion without a second thought seems a little unbelievable though, hubris or no.
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  • Having a hard time buying into the Tremere

    First off, I'm NOT JUST talking about a group of mages actually turning into vampires.

    Althoough it seems unlikely that the Tremere would NOT test the magic elixir before drinking it and instead, would simply say "FUCK IT, LETS JUST DRINK THE POTION AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS."

    Hermetic Mages are not exactly known for their utter sloppiness (except when they're downright pissed, which presumably wasn't the case at the moment that Tremere and his seven apprentices were about to slam back the elixir of unlife). Not testing the potions on some lackey (who would then...
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    Last edited by Zennis; 04-07-2017, 06:41 PM.

  • I know most books don't have full protons of the rules, however, with the exception of the non vampire dark age books, all the historical setting books had full rules in them.

    ie. Vampire the dark ages, Mage the Sorcerers Crusade, Werewolf the Wild West....
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  • Is Victorian Vampire an incomplete book?

    I just picked up a copy of Victorian Era Vampire and couldn't find the section on disciplines, as well as a few other things!

    Did I just happen to buy a bad bootleg from a second hand store or does the legit copy of this book NOT include the rules needed to play?

    If this copy is legit then I guess you have to have a copy of dark ages or modern era Vampire in order for VeV to be of any use.
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  • Zennis
    replied to Where to go to find M20 games?
    Because I was about to ask where you live and then google all the hobby stores near you!
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  • Zennis
    replied to Where to go to find M20 games?
    I take it you mean "where on the Internet"
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  • Zennis
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    I don't have much sympathy for this to be honest. If, as an Eastern European, I say I'm offended that there is a clan of vampires that is based in Eastern Europe and I don't Iike it, I don't think I deserve much sympathy. My opinion is that people have the right to create fictional characters with actual ethnic backgrounds. IF the character offends someone we have to ask if they have a legitimate reason to feel that offence and why.

    The Tzimisce are grotesque to me and the shadow lords are rather Machiavellian, I don't complain about this though.

    I see the issue with...
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  • Zennis
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    Poor bastard, if it's any consolation to you I rolled necrophilia when making one of my first Characters, the group never let me live it down....
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  • Zennis
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    Not only are all the independent clans racist stereotypes (damn those inbred Italian Mafiosos! All Italians are involved with the mafia!) but many of the werewolf tribes are too!

    Get of Fenris: Angry Vikings.
    Fianna: Drunken Irish.
    Black Furies: Amazon warrior women.
    Star Gazers: East Asian mystics
    Shadow lords: Eastern European manipulators
    Silent Striders: Egyptian nomads (watch for those Romani stereotypes lurking in the background)

    I shouldn't hav to say this but the above anti Italian stereotype is not my opinion.
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  • Zennis
    replied to Ravnos Controversy
    Personally I think that making the Ravnos an Indian based clan which has some ties to the Romani people (who emerged from India) is fine.

    The Ravnos can still have ties to the Romani just as they have ties to peoples throughout India and other regions where Indians have travelled.

    The racist elements of the Ravnos have been acknowledged and retconned so as to avoid offending anyone without eliminating the clan from the game. I see no reason for people to be demanding you not use them in your game, I think there is no problem here as long as the racist elements of the...
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