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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Portal
    Good points. To let light go through, would require Forces as well. They could be more clear about this in M20, though.
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Locking Force effects
    All the time the books keeps repeating that to lock an effect in an object takes Matter 2, to lock in a simple living organism takes Life 2, to lock ibto yourself takes Life 3 and to lock into an complex living being takes Life 4.

    You are confusing locking an effect into shapechanging a creature. Shapechanging allows way more than just locking a simple fly spell into someone. With Life 5 you can pretty much rewrite the whole body and it's functions of the target.

    HDYDT states that you can lock levitating effects in pg75.



    I know how gravity...
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  • Lord Revan
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    Agree. As others already have suggested, looks like with Corr 3 the portal doesn't let anyone go through other than the mage. It is not directly stated in the books though.
    So, Corr 3 only you can open a portal that only you can pass (others go throu without teleporting, like if it was an illusion)
    Corr 3/Life 3 let other people teleport with the portal
    Corr4 opens a portal that anyone can teleport with....
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Locking Force effects
    Muad'Dib there is no Quintessence cost for a flying spell (except for that hdydt chi craziness, let's not even consider that).

    Aleph But the mage is not present anymore, nor using his concentration to change direction or speed. So, the spell is not as static as we thought it had to be to be locked. Also, this would mean that this effect wouldn't work in space.
    Maybe, as the spell requires Forces/Life it can be fuelled by the body energy of the target. But this should have some consequences, such as tireness. Also, there is no way a body would provide enough energy to move such...
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Portal
    Well, when you teleport someone directly you don't give the chance to other people to teleport too. A portal is like a door that allow anyone to teleport as long as it is there.
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  • Lord Revan
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    I'm not saying just teleporting, but opening a portal with Corr 3. No other sphere involved..
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Locking Force effects
    You are right. I can think of a few ways of dealing with this without Prime:

    - Using a suficiently powerful source. Maybe a very strong magnet or battery. This have the drawback of having to recharge/change the source from time to time.

    - Making it transform external energies to fuel its power. There would be several implications, like if the kind of energy it transforms isn't present at some moment it won't work. Also, there would be external implications, like transforming the heat of the ambient would make it colder.

    -Using a point of Quintessence. Don't...
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  • Lord Revan
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    Well, I know that Correspondence 3 can teleport people, in conjunction with Life. What I really wanted to know is: If a mage cast a spell to open a portal from where he is to the Everest, would somebody also be able to enter this portal? Considering the mage wants to let people enter the portal (or don't even care). I'm asking this because just by the text of Correspondence 3 ot seems he can open portals, but only for him. And if he wanted for more people to go through as well he would need Correspondence 4....
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Locking Force effects
    All depends on how you put it. I can say that flight is a very complex effect, even more that what I am trying if I sy that you want an effect that will let your target fly up, and also fly down, also fly right, also fly left. And even spin, etc. Flight even does the "enhance the output", since the target can fly slower or faster, depending on what she wants. I agree that it would be easier if done with Forces 3/Prime 2, but it still is doable only with Forces 3 and not that hard if you put it this way:



    Not only that, but to create a beam/ray/bolt/wathever...
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Portal
    That's what I'm trying to find out. If the caster wants, he can make a portal for people other than him to go through with only Corr 3?...
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Locking Force effects
    I think there are 2 points here that you are not adressing.

    First, this is still a magick effect. You are treating it as if the device should handle all the physics complications. This is not just an equipment, it's an object that carry a Force pattern just to have something ro lock the spell on with Forces. The rest is pure magick, I don't want a real working plasma gun. For all we know, it could be done with a pencil and Forces+Matter to lock the efect or, as I said, even only Forces if you proceed to close all the gaps and that leads to the second observation :

    A locking...
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Locking Force effects
    1) That's correct.
    2) Yes, but this is just how the effect works, no additional successes needed here.
    3) Not necessary. The user still needs to aim the gun. The energy just comes out from the only pssible way
    4) I think that turning power up and down could be controlled by mundane ways, like a potentiometer in the device, or magickaly, by for example, saying something, since sound is still in the field of Forces control. When you cast a fly spell on someone with Forces+Life, the target is still able to choose the direction of the flying, so a locked effect isn't completely static....
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  • Lord Revan
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    Actually, there are lots of ways to do that. There are a lot of different Forces the gun can use for its purpose. Big ass batteries, big ass magnet, potential energy from springs, even the gravity or heat from the environment could work... But to keep it simple, i guess a potent magnet, battery or spring that can be held inside the device is the best.
    Remember that Forces 3 can increase or reduce forces as well.

    There is the ember and theres the heat the ember produces. The ember is Matter, the heat (temperature) is Forces....
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Locking Force effects
    I don't see how this is unbalanced as it works exactly like a normal gun, except that it may be powered up by magick. The catch here is doing this without Matter, which isn't unbalanced, but creative.
    What would be the difference of using this or a sniper rifle that is powered with Matter or even Forces? It's just the fluff of using a plasma gun.....
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Portal
    Regardless of paradigm or how the portal is created, the mage can't make a portal for him and a friend of his to go through just with Correspondence 3, then...
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Locking Force effects
    Yes, you had a similar idea. The effect is constantly "shooting" plasma and the "can" only controls when to let it go by opening and closing. Something similar to the cyclops laser from X-men.

    I was thinking of even controlling the power of the beam by altering the strength of the field inside the gun. It's not changing the effect, it still is "transforming X ammount of magnetic field into a Y power plasma". What happens is that i will vary the value of X. And the number of succcesses would determine how Y behaves : maybe Y=2X or even more.
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Portal
    So, you are saying that if a mage uses correspondence 3 to open a portal to somewhere and another person tries to run into the portal before the mages does (or even after, considering it didn't close yet), rhe person would bang in the portal like if it was a closed door?
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Locking Force effects
    I see.. The locking must be in a constant effect, not a trigger. But the effect could be transforming the magnetic field into plasma, and the gun could have a constant field that is increased or decreased by a trigger.
    In this way, the is a little field, insignificant, being turned into plasma that doesn't even get out of the gun. And when the mage wants, he push a button that increases the magbetic field and thus the plasma that goes out of the gun like a line or a precise flamethrower. The range would depend on the field strength in the first place.

    Would it be any easier...
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  • Lord Revan
    replied to Locking Force effects
    I was thinking something like using the internal magnet or eletromagnet of the gun to lock the effect of turning the magnetic field into bolts of high speed plasma. The effect involves Force transformation and the locking would work with the magnetic field inside the gun.
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  • Lord Revan
    started a topic Locking Force effects

    Locking Force effects

    You can lock effects in objects with Matter, in beings with Life. How would you lock with Force? Lock an effect in this light of a lightbulb?? Can't think how to lock an effect in a magnetic or gravity field...

    Also, I want a mage to lock an efect of conjuring plasma bolts in a special gun, whenever he pulls the trigger. I know the normal way would be to cast the effect using the gun as instrument. But i want to be abble to shoot without making the Arete roll, like it was a real gun.. Maybe locking the effect into some internal magnetic aspect of the gun?

    Oh, and no Matter...
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