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  • You mean an always running effect? That heals whenever hp goes wounded or lower?...
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  • The healing on the fly is for the case of getting too much damage too quickly. And to avoid death. But this could be done by the elementsl body indeed. Then the only reason would be to not waste a turn healing. And a good healing guaranteed.
    You're right about the traps. The obly advantage would be to get more successes, but if you're carefully placing a trap, then you probably have time to get enough successes, so Time 4 is indeed not needed.



    That depends how quick the effect is released. A trigger inplies that it's very quick, like fractions of a second. That...
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  • A healing pool is a good idea.

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    Yes. That's why I thought about defenses in very dangerous situations. The combat one was the big ass fireball that you won't use all the time. Just when you feel the need to blow everything up.



    Yes, definitely. I was thinking about making a strng force shield instead of healing (or both?) It is less dangerous to protect health than to heal after being hit.

    Do you guys have other examples, maybe something you've done in a game?


    EDIT: How would the healing work if the trigger...
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    Last edited by Lord Revan; 11-23-2021, 09:11 AM.

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  • Lord Revan
    started a topic Ideas for Time 4 trigger spells

    Ideas for Time 4 trigger spells

    So, I'd like to see ideafor a Life 3, Forces 3, Prime 1 Hermetic mage that gets gis hand into a Time 4 sonder that can "trap" spells to trigger later as the Time 4 effect we know. I thought about some examples:

    1- Life 3 buffs with good rolls to instantly buff when needed triggered by a specific sound effect (a particular whistle?) with Forces

    2- Life effect to heal you whenever your jealth drops to woumded or lower, triggered by Life. Could you be healed more than once with a single spell trapped? Like, drop to wounded, heal, drop to wounded, heal again?...
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  • monteparnas Yes, like I pointed out later in my edit, the energy in the element body is locked just as the energy is locked in regular human body.

    About detection, gamma rays are very, very, VERY tiny, 10^-12 meters wavelength. The scale of atoms nuclei. It is literally microscopic and can pass through atoms empty space. Geigers can detect it, but it is so tiny that it is not efficient in doing so. Geigers are better at detecting alpha and beta radiation, that are much bigger. I know the amount the mage will turn into is big and might be detected, but it wouldn't explode the detector....
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    Last edited by Lord Revan; 11-20-2021, 03:10 AM.

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  • monteparnas I agree with Ramnesis. Every aspect of this game can be ruined if we apply real science to it. So i think it is better to just ignore modern physics. Besides, the majority of those 10^18 Joules is consumed..uhm...transformed...into magick....because magick...

    This ammount of energy is too much even for paradox backlash.

    EDIT: I was just thinking. Just like this ammount of energy is present in our human bodies, but it is not released or used by this ammount in any form, the same could happen with element body. You indeed have this energy insise, but just like...
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    Last edited by Lord Revan; 11-19-2021, 12:19 PM.

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  • The idea is to get intsngible to go through things and fast travel. In this scenario the mage won't be worried about messing any device. If you just want to pass unnoticed, you will be better becoming invisible with Forces 2. And if you just want to mass through a wall or door you can turn into gamma rays, pass carefully to avoid people and devices and turn back. I can't see this being a bad idea.



    Definitely. Although going gravity or gsmma rays both cover the objective pretty nicely....
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  • Still, I believe the pull would be negligible. You wouldn't be able to move an ant.



    You mean like giving cancer to people you phase through? Other than screwing people you get in contact which side effect are you talking about?



    Exactly =)...
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  • monteparnas great points you made.

    breggie

    For the intent I had in mind, which are primarily for defense and also quick escape/travel, I believe Gravity and Electromagnetism (more specifically gamma rays) are the best ones.

    -Gravity goes through anything and travels at lightspeed. The only thing is that you affect the world, by pulling very, very, VERY light objects (The gravity force of the entire planet results in 9,8 m/s2, so i believe your pull will be negligible). It's also invisible.

    - Gamma rays can only be absorbed by thick high atomic...
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    Last edited by Lord Revan; 11-18-2021, 12:23 PM.

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  • You are right about everything. I'm not sure about the electron and proton fields, though. I think this is one theory that is not as solid as our knowledge about EM waves.

    Ok, I can see your description being adopted by a ST. And mine too. Just out of curiosity, then would air and fire element also not fly?

    Not that this mstters, because you are using Forces 3 too, so you can add flight easily....
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  • No. Light doesn't travel this way. It moves by the propagation of the generation of the electric and magnetic fields, one generating the other each time. Light doesn't need (nor can, because it's massless) to push the ground to move. You just...propagates... Is that simple. Just like the sound also propagates and you would be able to "fly" as sound....
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  • Well, I understand your point. Light's path is affected by gravity making it bend. But unless you're in a black hole gravity is not enough to trap light. For the game purposes, you can ignore the effect of gravity on light and fly. To be fair, you're not flying, you're propagating into one direction. This direction could be "up"....
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  • I know. That's why I puted light insise electromagnetism description. Light is part of the EM spectrum.
    According to relatovity, norhing "falls". They just follow their geodesics of the curved spacetime. As does light. I don't know what your point is......
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  • Dataweaver photons (light) do not have mass. Nor weight. It is affected by gravity because according to rrlativity gravity is the bemd of spacetime and light travels in spacetime.

    breggie i liked your description of light, but I don't yhink you would die if hitting an obstacle, but reflect (if its opaque). Light doesn't crase to exist when hitting objects, it just reflects and that's how we can see things.

    I believe electromagnetism would be very similar to light, except that it can travel through some obstacles and can be invisible.

    EDIT: ELECTROMAGNETISM:...
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    Last edited by Lord Revan; 11-17-2021, 06:35 PM.

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  • Aleph Turn a body. Not a body part. A body is an entire body.

    Dataweaver oh ok. Also, I'd say that even shamanic paradigms do believe in lots of science things.

    Monteparnas, you made a good point about the + in the chart. However, it is not Life 4+/ Forces 3+ . it's Life 3+/ Forces 3+. This means two things: there is no mind involved and it starts with both at 3.

    When you turn your mage into a chair for spying a meeting, do you ask for Mind kust to keep your conscience? I can see using Mind to give consciousness or to remove consciousness from a contient...
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  • breggie Dataweaver thank so much for your 2 cents.

    I ask that we ignore Earth, Water and Air, since they might fall under Matter.
    Also, I forgot the Life on the tittle. I am refering to the Life 3/ Forces 3 effect in M20 chart.

    I think it is more interesting to talk about energies like Light, gravity or electromagnetism. All of those travel at the speed of light. nd gravity seems to ignore completely any obstacle.

    Breggie, I wouldn't say this is a Forces 3 to control movement effect. Also, why are you limiting the speed 1600 km/h? Tou made any calculation?...
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  • That depends. An Earth elemental is completely solid. An Air or Fire elemental is as much tangible as air or fire. This means that you can feel it, but you can't break it. It also might mean that it can pass through small holes, just as air does. And if you consider the weirder ones (Light, Shadow, Gravity, etc..) then you are now completely intangible and can "phase through" several things depending on what you're turning. Sound can easily pass around objects and through holes, etc. It's pratically phasing.

    Another good reason to turn into energy is to travel safely and...
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  • monteparnas you completely miss the point. I don't want to transform into a D&D elemental. I was just using them as an example of how this effect could look like and maybe it's not even a good example.

    The subject of the thread is the M20 "turn body into element" effect with Life 3/Forces 3 (the thread title is missing Life)

    Now, my argument is that the effect isn't "turn body into element, do X and turn back into human". This would be a different, more complex, more success needing effect.
    So, as soon as you cast this spell you're dead....
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  • I understand your point now. But the effect isn't turn into unconscious energy, travel and then turn human back, although that is an effect and very useful too. But my idea is to just turn into an element and stay in this form for the duration of the spell or until changing back.

    And I'm going for the M20 table that states that Life 3/Forces 3 is required. Also, the effect is not described as traveling in the form of energy, but only turning yourself into energy. Since it doesn't use Mind, according to your logic you are dead right after casting the spell.

    Life 3 let...
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  • 1- I understand element as the description of the Forces sphere in M20:



    2- Is turning the "material" of your body into that element.

    3- Excellent question. It makes no sense for a mage to simply turn into a lump of the element. Turning yourself in a unconscious ammount of fire or electricity makes no sense. So I can only imagine that you simply aren't made of flesh and bones anymore, only the new element. Having to use Mind to retain consciousness makes aboslutely no sense at all.

    Also, you don't have to create a "biological"...
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