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  • Muad'Dib
    replied to Mage 5 and a new vision
    I don't agree with the criterion you gave in regard to a Mage being a Technocrat. Descriptions of the Technocracy mention or imply that it is possible - with calling upon friends and contacts, having and calling upon personal achievements, knowledge, and power, and/or through skillful politics, and also through navigating the Technocracy's rules and duties - for a Technocrat to get away with ignoring or bending seemingly obligatory standards and rules within the Technocracy ; and that it happens regularly.
    I think a Mage is a Technocrat when the Mage uses technocratic methods and Foci -...
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  • Is there anything at all written in M:tA or V:tM indicating that the case with Mages who use Foundation and Pillars being arguably more capable and/or more powerful than Mages who use Arete, is anything more than how it ended up within the rules ; is there any in-setting justification for this ? I think there isn't anything in the setting that says or indicates this being the case, or anything that justifies it ; I think that it is just inequality ( or unfairness ) within the rules between the two systems for knowing and casting Magick Effects.

    I think that if there are both Mages...
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  • Muad'Dib
    replied to Mage 5 and a new vision
    I think that the writing in regard to the Technocracy shouldn't be as focused as it currently is on just these two groups or types of Technocrats - the ruthless and controlling Technocrats, and the idealists who want to be out there for mundane humans and to improve the mundane human societies. I do wish that this will change in future publications of M:tA ; and that other kinds and groups of Technocrats - who are already written about, just not as much as these two kinds of Technocrats that I wrote about above - will be described and outlined more. I think that M:tA would benefit from this as...
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  • If one wants to talk about and to outline how capable and powerful M:tA Mages are, then I think that it is much more appropriate and better to mention and describe the Magick Effects from the 1-3 Sphere levels. The 4-5 Effects have greater difficulty and tend to be Vulgar ; thus a Level 5 Effect can have a base difficulty of 9 ; the difficulty can be lowered, or means to get additional successes can be used, but it is the same in regard to the lower levels Effects.
    I also have it in my headcannon that Mages do require very specific and hard to achieve conditions to use those Level 5 Spells...
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  • 125) This Technocrat Mage of the Iteration-X Convention - a PC gamer and designer and a programmer from the period of his life before he Awakened and was recruited by the Technocracy - has found a viable way to be able to keep playing and modifying PC games within his actions, duties and development as a Technocrat. Through recording, cataloging, and analysing his brain activity during playing PC games while setting up intricate and complex self-limitations and challenges within the gameplay for himself , he has developed means to alter, catalyse, and adjust his thinking and feelings through a...
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  • Muad'Dib
    replied to The Affinity Spell
    A Correspondence Affinity Spell - One's Own Place

    The Mage chooses to associate ( for example ) an item, a way of thinking or feeling, or a gesture with a place that the Mage either lives at, or regularly frequents. The criteria for picking the place are not at all strict or easily defined ; though they tend to be places ( for example ) important for the Mage because of some activity or meeting there with other persons, or the place where the Mage lives, or places where some singular and important event happened, or places that the Mage has specifically noted and thought about because...
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  • Is this view point about Technocrats outlined somewhere in the M:tA books ? I think that Technocrats don't " follow established science to a point ", except to go beyond it. The Effects that Technocrats are capable of contradict science theories used by mundane humans already at the first Sphere levels.



    Yes, this is comparable for all the Conventions. From what I read on the Onyx Path Forums, this need for preparation time for Effects is often forgotten in regard to Technocrats of the New World Order and the Syndicate Conventions. Though I can see how they...
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  • What you are calling ' techno-babble excuse ' here is technocratic science. It does not have to be based on or in line with what mundane humans call science.



    I think that what I described, in addition to possibly being part of the three things you mentioned, is also part of actions that the Technocrats of the NWO regularly perform as part of their Foci and Procedures that involve psychology, sociology, predictions, and/or deductions. They need to access data, analyse it, and develop and/or choose the best approach ; according to a given situation, whether a practical...
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  • Can you give your reasons for why you don't like such crossovers, involving interactions between groups and factions of different supernatural persons to a significant and major extent ? I think that it is one of World's of Darkness strongest points, that such crossovers can be done, and that they provide many opportunities, are thought provoking, and highlight the characteristics and qualities of different type of supernatural persons in the World of Darkness.

    In regard to crossovers done through introducing M:tA Mages to V:tM chronicles, I think that that this can definitely be...
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  • I think that variety of Clans in Packs, and other groups, of Sabbat Vampires definitely wouldn't lead, the vast majority of the time, to Clan identity of individual Vampires and Clan culture being less present and important in the Sabbat.

    I think that overall ( or on the average ) Packs ( or any groups ) of Sabbat Vampires that have Vampires of varied Clans in it, sooner or later end up functioning in such a way that an emphasis is placed on Clan culture and expressing it, and thus the Clan cultures of Clans in the Sabbat are maintained and developed. I see no reasons why it wouldn't...
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  • There is another possibility ; one that, as far as I am aware of, is not even that unusual and that discouraged in the Camarilla ( like learning and adopting the Path of Lilith, the Path of Caine, or the Path of the Cathari would be ) - the Path of Power and the Inner Voice. In the V20 Corebook it is written about it " (...) and some of its precepts have even started to gain grudging acceptence among the power-hungry and jaded elders of the Camarilla. " . I think it is not incompatible or wholly contrary to obligations and goals that a Tremere Vampire would have....
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  • You didn't note the part of a Technocrat's Foci that does the probability alteration in regard to an event or a person. For example a probability alteration field, some vibrations, a projection of energy or particles etc. ; " Guide to the Technocracy " mentions : " (...) Common apparatuses for Entropy include: calculators, probability resolution devices, thermodynamic models, and energy field disruptors. " .

    It is made clear in M:tA books that Technocrats have theories, models, and data analysis methods that they use as Foci and methods for Entropy. What I think...
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  • I think that persons having psychic abilities and capabilities, and skills, outlook(s) , and/or view points related to this, would get taken in and/or recruited also by the the Order of Hermes, the Society of the Ether, and the Cult of Ecstasy Traditions ; specifically because of those persons having this particular characteristic ( psychic abilities ) and qualities related to it....
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  • I'd like to have it explained, described, and explored starting from what - as far as I am aware - is the very basis. That is - the Extraordinary Citizens of the Technocracy are the persons who are, in regards to who they are and their capabilities, roughly equivalent - or at least comparable - to who Sorcerors are in regard to mystic Mages. Thus I would very much like it to be described and explored what are the capabilities and skills of Extraordinary Citizens - to put it simply - in direct comparison to Technocrat Mages.
    Are Extraordinary Citizens of the Progenitors capable of carrying...
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  • Some Vampires in the Tal'Mahe'Ra - if not most ? I don't remember this part of what I read about the Tal'Mahe'Ra Sect - are, to various extents and/or on the surface, members of the Camarilla and the Sabbat. Thus it is entirely possible, and not at all unlikely, that a Tremere Vampire who is in the Camarilla to meet and befriend ( or for example collaborate with in regard to a matter ) a True Brujah Vampire who mingles with and cooperates with Camarilla Vampires ( or a True Brujah Vampire who is a member of the Camarilla ) ; who could initiate her or him into the Path of the Scorched Heart, and...
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  • Wouldn't these two Paths of Enlightenment still be practically just as ( to say it lightly ) discouraged in the Camarilla as other Paths of Enlightenment are ; because they, as Paths of Enlightenment, ( as far as I remember ) are considered by many Vampires in the Camarilla to be contradictory to following Humanity, and supporting or aiding Vampires who follow Humanity ?...
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  • Muad'Dib
    replied to A Greater Canid Breed
    The Coyote as presented in W:tA seems to me to be a full-time trickster, compared to the Raven. For example the Coyote is a trickster who makes pranks and does undertakings that use, play with, and refer to the fact and the idea that he is a trickster. Another characteristic of the Coyote is that all ( or almost all ? ) that he does is related to and involves him being a trickster in one way or another. I don't think that the Raven goes this far ?...
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  • Muad'Dib
    replied to The Danava and the Ventrue
    Can you explain what do you consider to be the "vampion factor" in regard to blood magic, and in general ?...
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    Last edited by Muad'Dib; 10-17-2018, 08:06 AM.

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  • Is there anything written and described in V:tM books in regard to Tremere Vampires following Roads or Paths of Enlightenment ?...
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  • I think it could be that Technocrats would pick Spheres ( or a single Sphere ) with which they have bonuses to learning Effects, and Spheres with which they would have some kind of disadvantage in regard to learning Effects. This would be on an one-for-two basis ; so for each Sphere that a Technocrat would have advantages in regard to research and learning, a Technocrat would have two Spheres in regard to which she or he would be at a disadvantage in regard to research and learning. The bonuses and disadvantage could be related to, for example, experience costs, cooperation with other persons,...
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