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  • Also, don't forget any rank 4 or higher spirit's natural attacks act as banes, as any being with Honorary Rank (*cough*Some Uratha*cough* and Spirit adepts).

    Also the rock from the bottom of the Missippi is a great idea, but what adds to its symbolic power over water? Maybe a rock or gravel from a levy would be better? The Missippi river has a lot of levies to control its flooding.
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  • It occurs to me it may be fun to brainstorm bans and banes for this spirit, and that could be helpful.

    Bane: Broken Pearls (as symbols of water, their broken form could represent breaking water, though this is a bit too rare for a rank 2 spirit)

    Ban: Must open a Gate within water during a "spring tide". (Using Influence to make it Open as needed)

    Bane: Salt (Appropriate if a fresh water spring was its original source for Essence)

    Ban: Must drown one person a year.

    Bane: Pumice.

    Ban: Must Materialize is exposed...
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  • Absolutely a spirit can use numina while in twilight to affect the material world. Numina and influences are how ephemeral beings in the Twilight Form manifestation affect the physical world. So that familiar you have statted can cause damaging sprays of water (the type of blast that seems appropriate for a water spirit) that affect things in the material world while in twilight form by spending essence to use blast.

    A numina that demonstrates this well is Sign. If a spirit had to Materialize to use the numina it could just physically interact and not need the numina.
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  • To also be clear, I should have added something that acknowledged that you agreed, because I knew. Sorry for the oversight. I included your quote not because I thought you disagreed but because you agreed and did so articulately.

    I meant your quote as a topic sentence but totally see why you thought I was responding to you. Again sorry....
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  • It may me human nature to assume that the absence of anything bad happening means that what we do is safe. This is obviously wrong and a concerted effort is needed to root out those unnecessarily risky behaviors. This "comfort zone" mentality needs to be eliminated.

    That's a quote because the "comfort zone" mentality is part of human nature.

    Human beings are not optimized to be "safe" and thinking we are is silly.

    Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing...
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  • Maybe my examples of safety steps might have been not the best analogies to what a mage can do.

    How often do people always take the time to stop and listen to the weather report before going about their normal day, not talking about planned special outings, just their daily routine?

    How many people always check the traffic report before starting their commute?

    How many people always carry one of those little packages of kleenex's or hand sanitizer?

    How many people always keep an umbrella, just in case?

    How many people always carry...
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  • An Adept Re-Weaving an existing Spirit, or a Master Making one whole cloth?...
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  • Originally posted by Pale_Crusader View Post
    Where is the line between reasonable privacy and paranoia in the real world?



    There are reasons to be paranoid in real life, that's why some people are. Real life is terrifying if you allow yourself to fully fathom the certain facts and probabilities that could snuff you out like a candle in a hurricane. Paranoid people are still stigmatized because they don't filter that out and let those thoughts affect their actions.

    Paranoia isn't safe, for those around the paranoid person and for the paranoid person,...
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  • So just the Ballistic Plate Kevlar Vest and no rifle then?
    of course that is referring to protection against physical assault, which you're correct isn't the same as protection against invasions of privacy.

    I am in agreement with the Mental Shield, because a mind is a terrible thing to be hacked. But there is a reasonable line in what investigation counter measures are acceptable in real life, and I'd expect a similar line in the fictional world

    I'd say using TOR would be a be an internet equivalent to the anonymity offered by magic. You could wear a mask to protect...
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  • Because without an ability to sense which way is down or up equilibrium is impossible?

    This makes me wonder what would happen if you veiled kinetic forces, would that render the subject a rag doll unable to move themselves by sensing the direction they apply kinetic force or feel that push back from the matter they are pushing against? I mean I can still see them perceive pain of being shot, nerves are still damaged, but not feel the impact of the bullet. Terrifying magic......
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  • Excellent question! Hey given the Second Amendment why don't you wear a ballistic plate kevlar vest and carry an AR 15?

    The answers likely have mage analogies, like it's locally restricted via law (local lex magica rulings), would make you a social pariah for several reasons:
    Shows you expect violence against your own person (that's pretty suspicious, what type of person expects to be attacked? Take moment to look around real life begore you answer)
    Show you are mentally prepared and capable of brutal violence if need be.
    Show you have no faith in the system of...
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  • And Death, don't forget Death's ability to destroy Sympathetic connections. Oh! And Mind's ability to cause the victim to go down a convoluted rabit hole that makes the investigation difficult, and also to veil observations by being with Mind. Double oh!! And also don't forget Spirit that can be used to get a disposable ephemeral hit man which is sent on two missions, kill the mage and then attack a bigger spirit which eats the assassin. ...

    Wait a minute! That covers all five Paths! Golly. And you next part of lumping Scelesti and Banasher together implies murder is the greatest...
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  • I apologize. My question isn't about detecting magical alterations to the timeline, it's about using the fact that Temporal Sympathy changes when a subject becomes/was less like the moment you are using as a Temporal Sympathetic Yantra.

    Hypothetically it'd let you know when changes of particular magnitudes enough to change the subjects Temporal Sympathy happen even if you have no idea what the change was.

    Like using Spirit to notice changes in the Gauntlet while you travel to pin point thicker spots (like Prime sacred geometry, but search for the opposite of normal...
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  • Simple Question:

    Since major changes to things cause a noticeable shift in Temporal Sympathy, could you just cast a a knowing Time spell to detect the exact moment in the past such a shift in Temporal Sympathy took place? Such as a death, birth, item Imbuing, ect... like noticing you're suddenly going up a much steeper inclune?
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  • This thread is why you want a cabal that has at least two members covering at least every Arcana, and barring that being a member of an Assembly or Colesium that has an investigation team that does...
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  • At this point it can be completely within the rules, aThysus with Mind could have compelled Jim to Spirit verge and use the key that the Thyrsus knew, and had his spirit ally to devour Jim alive, leaving only Spirit ephermera as evidence in the hisil (because you're transmuted into ephemera when you pass through the verge)
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  • Like the Iris formed on top of him? Did it exist before he disappeared there since you can use mage sight through postcognition?...
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  • Iris? This just went from mystery to Mystery! It can't lead to anywhere else in the material world because that wouldn't have stopped space sympathy from finding the cabal mate. The exact moment of the cabal mate entering the Iris is important to watch I think, in close detail (you might glimpse the other side).
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  • Good catch, that'll get all the thinking Twilight Madness (spirits, ghost, goetia, and even stranger) even if you can't see them....
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  • It's a good thing you can only cast Time spells through Temporal Sympathy. Mind-reading through Time would be a bit crazy.
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