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  • Piff
    replied to Do the gods go to prom?
    Are these courts where they try/pretend to do work, or is it mostly drinking and partying?

    I'm sure that's regional, but I mean... as a general rule.
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  • Piff
    replied to Do the gods go to prom?
    Do they still do that stuff regularly? How decayed is the 'Order of Things'?

    I've been portraying Gods that still care about reports and the old order as eccentric and unhinged by the standards of more modern and pragmatic deities that are trying to accept and adapt. Is that not right? Should I have them still doing paperwork?

    Should I have a 'boss', you think, some local minister or something?

    Thanks for the help.
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  • Magic: The Gathering wounded the RPG playerbase, but it was Warhammer that took advantage of the onsought penalty and dealt a decisive blow. Exalted has actually adopted well to the digital shift, but I haven't - I haven't been able to recruit online or play online, really, so the death of the old school recruitment pool has hit my games pretty hard. When I was pulling groups five years ago I had three or four reggies, but these days It's 1-2 player games (which actually Exalted is particularly good for, as crunchy / deep systems really shine when you have fewer people at a table and can bog with...
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  • Piff
    started a topic Do the gods go to prom?

    Do the gods go to prom?

    So let's say you have a standard area of Creation with several Gods in it. They're 'normal' Gods in that they don't super pay attention to formal rules anymore but most of them aren't raising up cities and boning humans, at least. Let's say you've got a God of the Forest, a God of the Beaches, and a God of the Mountain for simplicity sake.

    Now obviously these guys spend a fair amount of time at the forest, the beach and the mountain. But what I'm asking in this thread is...

    Do they ever hang out? Is that normal for Gods? Does Mountain God actually like... know Beach God,...
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  • Piff
    replied to How big is the exalted playerbase these days?
    Yeah, Exalted is doing great, so lots of people are clearly buying books and considering playing. I think it just has yet to hit critical mass in this edition and I strongly suspect the DB book is going to be sort of a moment of rebirth. The old community will never come back but the new community may eclipse it yet. We have our own age to write, no need to pine for the glory of the old!

    I should also note to give full context to the anecdotal lack of Exalted in my area that RPGs in general have completely crashed lately, not JUST Exalted. Our last game store converted into a Warhammer...
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  • Piff
    replied to How big is the exalted playerbase these days?
    I could be wrong about this, because obviously this is an anecdotal observation, but I think the population of people who are prospective new 3e players who know/care who specific developers were and why they ought to be loved/hated has gotta be less than 5% or something. All the hate boners are gonna be in the already sold/unsold camp, people who are familiar enough with the line and the history to not really qualify as 'noobies'. Those newcomers are the kind of people Coik was talking about, I think. Lots of the people I got interested in 2e had only the vaguest surface awareness of the line...
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  • Piff
    replied to How big is the exalted playerbase these days?
    That makes me wonder, would the game get more people interested in it if a 4 replaced the 3 on the cover?

    Theoretically it wouldn't change much. The gesture would be more symbolic than anything for the informed, but it might mean a great deal to the people who don't know or care about the drama enough to parse the particulars. It's a good short hand for saying 'fresh start', I suppose....
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  • Piff
    replied to How big is the exalted playerbase these days?
    I share many of the same observations here, Exalted is more-or-less dead except for those who were pretty interested in it prior to 3e. At the moment the only people I can get involved in the game are those who were loyal fans during the previous editions. I haven't been able to get anybody into 3e.

    I think the delays were part of the problem, but the real issue was the way the community sort of collapsed in upon itself. A good portion of the initial community was destroyed by openly antagonistic fan relationships and public arguments between producers and consumers. The fact that...
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  • Piff
    replied to 1e Luna - How the Changing Goddess Changed
    Totally understand, the thread is dense. Here is the reference in question, from Games of Divinity... and to be specific, Gaia didn't set up the Celestial Order. She set up the TERRESTRIAL one, which in turn allowed the whole post-war situation to work much more smoothly. The Incarna set up a system to function independent of them, not one that relied upon them as executors and arbiters.

    When this subtly shifted to an 'absent throne' in 2e, I'm not sure anybody even noticed at the time! But it was, as I begin to dig into this stuff more, a big shift....
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  • Piff
    replied to A Tale of Two Dev Teams : The Two Ages of Ex3
    Let's try not to be reductive here - craft is just one example. It's a symptom, not the problem, so in that way I kinda thank you for that example.

    This is a thread about acknowledging that the late 3e development process was less intense, was plagued by diminished enthusiasm and a toxic work environment, and further mechanics produced during that period had NO play testing. This doesn't apply only to Craft. It applies to nearly everything that was done later in the process post-leaks.

    Grouping the mechanics produced during this period with the exceptional work done during...
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  • Piff
    replied to 1e Luna - How the Changing Goddess Changed
    And it bears noting, at least in the early 1e material we're discussing here, the Sun was never enshrined as any sort of ruler. That was not part of the deal. The order that Gaia established was intended to allow them to RETIRE. In the original material, people aren't SUPPOSED to bothering the Sun. He isn't neglecting his duties, he HAS NO DUTIES. That's the whole point!

    2e tweaked this concept a bit and suggested that in some way the Sun had a purpose in Yu-Shan that was being neglected or somehow delegated to his inferiors. But this was not the original concept! Originally, the...
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  • Piff
    started a topic A Tale of Two Dev Teams : The Two Ages of Ex3

    A Tale of Two Dev Teams : The Two Ages of Ex3

    Exalted had two dev teams during its creation. And I'm not talking about the new guys!... who are thus far amazing!

    I'm talking about Holden and Morke, but I'm also talking about THE OTHER Holden and Morke. Let me explain...

    The first dev team was beloved by the fans for reviving a game they were deeply passionate about. Emboldened by an epic kickstarter that broke industry records and empowered by the roaring approval of the fans, the Ink Monkeys started producing some of the strongest (IMO) rpg mechanics and material of the last decade. Long, well balanced charm trees...
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  • Piff
    replied to 1e Luna - How the Changing Goddess Changed
    I think the point is... you really don't need the 'This Guy' part.

    And further, when you DO bring a 'Patron' into it? All sorts of kind of toxic questions come up. Like, who does the Sun agree with more... Solar A, or Solar B? Isn't whatever the Sun says the One True Path of Solar Exalted purity? Shouldn't we try to talk to him as much as we possibly can so we can get a good Plan right from The Source - I mean, after all, the First Age had this huge problem where they didn't listen to The Boss close enough and shit went bad, right? Let's drop everything! We need to get the Pure Solar...
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  • Piff
    replied to 1e Luna - How the Changing Goddess Changed
    Another thing to remember about the 1e GoD is that while it was portrayed as hopelessly addictive, it was also portrayed as the just reward of the Gods.

    IE, the setting doesn't really place much judgement on the Gods when it describes these things. It just sorta naturally assumes that as the victors, they're going to take seats at the Games of Divinity. It's the reward they fought for, the spoils, and them embracing it to the degree they do isn't really portrayed as unnatural as much as it is inevitable.

    That said, the 1e material is always very firm on the nature of...
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  • Piff
    replied to 1e Luna - How the Changing Goddess Changed
    This is true - the presentation of the Sun was much less charitable prior to Glories. In fact, if you consider Rathess to be part of the 'Early 1e Canon' (and it arguably does fit into the end of the 'first era' of Exalted), he's sorta a bloodthirsty war God in addition to being hopelessly addicted.

    This is one part deconstruction, one part intentional effort to reduce heat. Exalted went out of its way to create the Gods but to at the same time make sure nobody would really find them TOO interesting. This was intended to be distinct from other fantasy settings with Gods, like Dungeons...
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  • Piff
    replied to The Empress : Who Was She?
    Fun fact : Maiden Tea actually kinda-sorta existed! Silphium is what I think they were more or less going for. Really interesting plant.

    If you run with that, it can be proposed that Maiden Tea might have all SORTS of medicinal uses, and may be in fact one of the most useful medicinal herbs...
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  • Piff
    replied to You Don't Have to Join the Silver Pact…
    One thing I always liked about Beastmen is how they were sort of an indication of how far the Lunar Exalted had fallen. IIRC they didn't really even exist, more or less, until after the Usurpation. The practice remained unexplored until Lunars were left alone to... ahem, experiment... in the frontiers and behold the outcome.

    Beastmen are something Lunars of the First Age would have looked at and said, 'holy crap, wtf!'

    I wonder, if new methods of Beastman creation are defined, if that will remain the same? Or if we'll have the implication that Beastmen aren't just a feature...
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  • Piff
    replied to The Empress : Who Was She?
    I now picture the Empress having a ridiculously awesomely long and silly name like Pippi.

    And I like it.
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  • Piff
    replied to 1e Luna - How the Changing Goddess Changed
    That's a valid opinion and I respect it as much as my own. I was only making sure that the textual inaccuracies were corrected. The spirit of the thread is 1e archeology after all!

    To condense the citations I've posted in the last page or two, 1e Gaia is responsible for...

    1) Creating the Elemental Dragons
    2) Elevating Luna to the status of a Celestine,
    3) Teaching humanity how to make the Master Elementals and helping them do so,
    4) Ordering the Elemental Dragons to create the Dragonblooded,
    5) Proposing and enacting the idea of Hell as an alternative...
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  • Piff
    replied to 1e Luna - How the Changing Goddess Changed
    Yeah, 1e books are hard to get these days. As I said in the earlier post, the PDFs are priced somewhat ridiculous and print copies... if you can find them... are not usually in great condition.

    This is part of the reason why I felt it was important to dig up some lore and start talking about it, since our 'link to the past' as it were is fading rapidly...

    ... a DriveThru sale with all of the 1e books in a giant package or something would be absolutely amazing, powers-that-be!...
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