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[nalak42]

Well if you were at the initial crime scene then you could use Mind Manse to reconstruct the scene in your mind and maybe combo it with Unknown Wisdom Epiphany to reconstruct the events of the incident. This might enable you to piece together evidence or ideas that weren't available back then. Example you know the killer was masked, but courtesy of your enhanced powers and deductive abilities you're able to reconstruct the killer's figure and build from the time of the incident off some foot prints or impressions. You might be able to piece together if there was something unique that can be used...

[nalak42]

Monsters from the Id.
Beasts arise from/are part of the collective unconscious with the Horror remaining in the Primordial Dream and the human side acting as access to meat space/outside the Lair. The Dark Mother (because I feel this should connect to the thread a bit.) whether some sort of natural/supernatural system or a conscious entity is where the amalgamations and compressions of disturbances and disruptions are compiled together to create said the unbound Horrors.

As for where the connection comes from, if you go with the Beast idea that the other supernaturals originated...

[nalak42]

Well remember the books will also vary around in who's viewpoint they're from. The Dark Mother never claims to be the origin for all the monster species because she doesn't really speak most of the time. The rituals that occaisionally connect to her connect to something though one can always have the reality be what they want when its their own table.

The thing on Beasts is they figure all the other supernaturals have a connection to them, ergo there must be a reason for it and they're logic is common origin point. Mage used to have one claiming all the other supernaturals were humans...

[nalak42]

Fiat happens.

The eye generally just does things, and if one were to argue that the Imperial Manse can just be plugged into things to supercharge the effects (never seen that implied anywhere, but your game so fun trick there.) you would end up supercharging effects that are already well outside of normal expectations or capacities. Honestly based on the fluff on them I'd actually list it as pointless owing that unless you've given the Eye a specific power to resolve a conflict and that requires a lot more power then the normal listed effects are just variations on obliterating...

[nalak42]

Is there a point to this thread or did you just want to come in and kvetch? Cause I'm not seeing a point to this, you don't accomplish anything you're not asking anyone to give you information because you think you're missing something, so why does this exist?

[nalak42]

Also a thing brought up in a previous iteration of the discussion, demons will still be themselves when bound. So if the living tower can work out a way to do his task that involves his hobby of empire building he's going to do it. Not out of malice, necessarily, just because the option exists and is fun. Plus these things are powerful and useful for a number of reasons, so not unreasonable that if a particular demon's abilities were needed someone might put out a hit on the existing summon to ensure if can be summoned later.

What's the cap on how hard armor needs to be this edition...

[nalak42]

If you attempt to summon a demon of 2nd, or 3rd circle (generally the unique ones) who is currently summoned in Creation then the ritual fails....

[nalak42]

Well it would depend on the speed and extent of it I'd think. In most games I've been in I'd probably have an easier time justifying picking up parts of the style and such after watching/engaging another combatant than I would arguing for spontaneously picking up charms.

I feel like a merit would fit best since it just tends to be a shonen protagonist thing. Maybe word it as being able to count life or death struggles against masters of the art as training under a mentor for the purpose of training time. Would also go a ways as to explain why they might learn dot one or two of a style...

[nalak42]

Let's start with the obvious, you haven't read the books you stated that in the opening so this is conjecture I'm guessing based on wiki reading and potential Pun-Pun builds. Garou lose social stats not intelligence in their other states. Why don't they use weapons in Chrinos? Most of the time no point, when they think there is they do.

To use my ST's thoughts on the subject:


Ambrosia I like you, you speak reasonably....

[nalak42]

Not really sparky. First, mages also have the means of immortality, and its not like everyone would jump on the chance of losing the ability to freely warp reality or better guide humanity to make the species cattle, so while some might be tempted the ghouling process is known to taint an avatar. So ghouled mages quickly become less useful in a total war scenario as they would be detectable and since the information can just be forcefully extracted from the ghoul's brain ,with memory mods getting them to return to sender for confirmation tracking in case memory modification was used to obsfucate...

[nalak42]

Not exactly, remember that these abilities aren't unheard of, whether used by a vampire with dominate or just a mage using mind magic to do the same, so a full scale war initiative by the Technocracy to wipe out the kindred wouldn't be going in completely blind. They might get caught off guard by the realities of Celerity or Vicissitude its not like those can't be countered. Recall Mages get freeform spell casting, meaning if Dominate were as big a problem as you're suggesting, Mages still get saving rolls, you'd just end up with mages countering by things like anti-memtic visors on operatives...

[nalak42]

You may want to actually explain your thoughts for those not following the series.Also helps to differentiate a bit as it took a minute or two to realize the anime you were talking about and not that the thread title wasn't an attempt at making a Werewolf Saitama or something.

Nitpick aside.
Eh, I mean I suppose if you go with the whole angle of crushing heroes who aren't actually being heroes its a fair one. Stain in "My Hero Academia" had that as his whole shtick too. Just I don't know Garou feels kind of weak as an example of a Beast trying to do good considering...

[nalak42]

Scenario 1 would also depend on what's allowed to exalt. Hunters exalting in WoD is useful to them and a problem for others unless it turns out supernaturals, like say mages, can exalt as well leading to something that was already beyond humanity becoming supercharged....

[nalak42]

Swallowing the Scorpion and the whole Devil Tiger tree are probably going away (though I hope some of the names stick as a few of them were cool). We're also pretty likely not to have that one charm that dragged information out of a least god.

[nalak42]

What about a maggot? I mean I could see them being respected or feared in a culture as a sign of decay, death, and rot. Still would be a problem to find out your spirit totem is a larval state.

[nalak42]

I can think of a few methods for Solars and exalts to destroy mountains, but its less using your charms and more demolition with Solar tier sorcery and/or workings. Because I'm going to be honest excavating a passage through a mountain by just focusing death ray on it till its melted through sounds like an awesome explanation of an extended roll.

[nalak42]

Oh speaking of artifacts, magic materials and their bonds with exalts have changed a bit. Essentially Exalt types are either neutral, dissonant, or resonant with a magic material. Generally speaking you go with the dominant MM when judging which quality you're dealing with, so if you have say green jade armor with soulsteel inlays its a jade artifact despite the presence of soulsteel.
Exalts and resonance chart:
Solars: Resonant all
Lunars: Resonant Moonsilver; Neutral everything else.
Sidereals: Resonant Star Metal; Dissonant everything else
Dragonblood: Resonant...