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[nalak42]

That's not what bandwagon fallacy means sparky. Second, no your argument is disqualified because it is still written poorly. "I said many not all" is not a good defense of a grotesque misrepresentation of an argument, not counting the other issue being that the phrasing you chose on the initial statement can be interpreted as either the argument conclusion that is dominant among people or that you are summarizing a large number of debates . Then you go from there with this idea that ultimately Lessons must exist as a way to objectively improve the human condition and need a mechanic...

[nalak42]

Nope still doesn't work. See the problem is that you're still operating backwards from your conclusion that you don't like them and they're bad. Because you still presented it as the dominant concept being that Lessons are a morality license to do whatever as the dominant presentation. Which is also part of the reason for it being absent mechanics on bonuses or whatever, doing so would justify it as more than a thing a Beghotten does to provide external meaning to feeding and would also invalidate feeding without a lesson . (Not counting that any bonuses you give towards it would just feed back...

[nalak42]

I'd also like to add your "paraphrasing" of lessons is kind of insulting to well all the arguments that people have had and the bloody section in the player's handbook on the topic.



See that gives the idea that more or less all of us and that entire section argue "ends justify the means" that we are literally arguing that the existence of teaching a lesson immediately exonerates the Beast of all wrong doing in whatever they're doing because lesson. And the reason I have a problem with that bit in particular is because of how many times, on this board...

[nalak42]

So if you're gonna keep on the insistance that Beast is an allegory for otherness and such, you're gonna need another pass or two on this as it comes off a bit problematically toned at places. Such as when you argue the inheritance's are bad because you view them all as representing suicide saying that's a problem when dealing with a game meant to represent being other. Then you follow it up by referrring to the erasure as "redeeming the Beast" after they shove a new human soul in there.

I get what you're trying to do, but it needs a bit of polish because this does come...

[nalak42]

Resolve and Int: 3 Wit 2
Composure: 3, Presence and manipulation 2
Str,Dex,Sta:2

[nalak42]

SPoP is what now?...

[nalak42]

Not sure how far along the anime has gotten, but umm it gets very far away from that....

[nalak42]

On the birght side you can probably claim that spot as a Lair chamber rather easily at that point, so going in won't take too long. You may have to pay therapy bills though....

[nalak42]

In addition to the above it wouldn't really have helped. Let's go with a hypothetical of a group of a Lunars that were near enough by that they could have done anything, shits already rock bottom for them or seizing the area around what would be called the Imperial Manse would be a major boon to their goals of ensuring the survival of people important to them. And since we're not talking about a version of Reality where her Redness forged an alliance with a particular group of Lunars, they either don't talk to her or said talk is met by refusal combat and one thing leads to another and someone...

[nalak42]

Oh true doesn't Ravenous Maw's satiety spend send things you swallow to the Lair?

That would be a hell of a way to prove it. "I'm actually a monster."
"No you're not."
Grabs person and shoves them into their mouth like an oreo and swallows them. Shows up in Nightmare Lair a couple minutes later.
"Now do you believe me?"...

[nalak42]

Well you could bring them into the Lair, I mean holding the door would preserve them from the dangers there and all that while the Beast merges with their other half....

[nalak42]

Weakest yes, but not as bad as last edition whereby their perfects didn't work against celestial exalts. Also essence 6+ isn't a common thing in 3rd even in the first age, and if I recall the count of survivors of the Usurpation was 50 or lower in the Solar camp in 2e. (So if your logic is based off 2e when 6+ was a matter of course for everyone including DBs they weren't getting the 1/3 of their numbers your estimating.)

Now as for tricks potentially used. Well first the Sids and DBs had the advantage of research. Knowing your target is infinitely useful, even just knowing which...

[nalak42]

I kind of like the idea that fireworks may be less of the controlled colored explosions in patterns like on earth and might be more like things that send up flame trails into different designs and patterns.

[nalak42]

Probably a bullet point in the whole removal of capital 'O' Oblivion. Though probably lower on the list than ensuring we didn't end up with more monsters or threats that "can only be destroyed by being thrown into Oblivion" or the ST coming up with their own thing....

[nalak42]

Pretty much what's been said. In 2e abyssals were listed as theoretically immortal unless killed, though as they hadn't been around long enough that was more speculation than accurate, their soul would fall into Oblivion if they didn't get that one mirror charm that let them pretend to be Solars that stopped that, and the exaltation would go back to the Monstrance if it existed or go hunting for a new exalt if there wasn't a return place. Past life memories are more impressions and such that rubbed off on the exaltation, so those were still around seeing how it was mentioned that sunlight had...

[nalak42]

You're kind of missing the part where it says that withering attacks should be labeled as serious attempts, but can also be described as feints or things intended to force an opening. What it explicitly says isn't acceptable is "I wither him him to steal initiative."

Feints, attempts at making openings, distractions, and all that are perfectly fine and there's nothing saying people don't know about them. Its that as Epitome says your character wouldn't be going "Okay we need more initiative to overcome the enemies defenses, just keep withering until he's crashed that...

[nalak42]

Umm that's not what any of them say. The withering thing just says withering and decisive are abstraction, but the closest it goes to denying they exist is saying it wouldn't make sense for players to try harvesting eachother for momentum ie the twilight letting the dawn hit with them with withering to build up their momentum because withering attacks don't do damage and momentum doesn't care where it was generated.

The charms not being things in universe is a bit weird, but considering the lexicon at the start of the core mentions charms are more of an instinctual and reflexive use...

[nalak42]

I mean considering what some of the clans are, I can totally see grabbing someone who's worst incidents don't amount to much more than "Oh god work suuuuuuuucked today." or transitive of these-are-horrible-things-which-happened-in-the-world-while-you-lived-in-it.

But yeah outside of needing a reason for you know being in the position to go adventuring or what have you I've never seen a particular reason to force a negative backstory. Even then so long as they're capable of justifying their own presence adequately positive background events are also fair game. As far as vampire...

[nalak42]

So prephrasing this with the fact that I mean entirely in a narrative and non-mechanical way.

I kind of like the idea that as part of Getimian being the result of glitches in reality that some of them insist they were a different type of exalt before the world became wrong to them. Again no mechanical benefit like being able to use charms from the type they claim to have been previously,* just like some of them have the added chip on their shoulder that their old allies in the Silver Pact won't deal with them anymore or the whole now being an anathema thing.


*Save...

[nalak42]

Worst case scenario you just prepare to claim you weren't fighting it one on one. A normal blood ape is hardly impossible to kill for mortals, not that most mortals and trained soldiers want to try and pull it off, and with the injuries it sounds like your disguise has claiming it wasn't an easy fight shouldn't be hard. Add in that you've got a disguise as a trapper and you can easily go with the idea that the ape was victim to a number of traps first and only fought the demon at the end due to something like it turning out the monster wasn't actually dead or it managing to get through all the...