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[nalak42]

He wasn't, he was only the first Solar to die of old age.

As far as using deaths to figure it out it doesn't really work out. While I think there are few exalts listed as survivors of the Primordial War running around the First Age (possibly longer if I'm remembering the bit about Rakan Thulio being a survivor of that war correctly,) as we're not given a post for when they entered the war and how far into the first Age they died then they can't be used to judge how long the war lasted. I mean you could ask First and Forsaken Lion, but he's got that whole Deathlord thing going around...

[nalak42]

Not to mention actual experience would be necessary due to wonderful things like plans inherently going to pot, because that's just kind of what happens to plans in a war.

[nalak42]

No see that's called prep time, and would still end up with large amounts of essence 2-3 exalts fighting the war ,if we go with 2nd's thing of exalting putting you at essence two and not 3rd's thing of new exalts being essence 1, unless you go with the idea that the fighting was done in under a week. With either zero fatalities or no reincarnations happening in enough time to make the war. Which would just be asinine. Oh and because I'm 95% sure we did have dev's saying that the majority of the primordial war was fought with exalts who weren't even essence 5.

Plus we already know...

[nalak42]

There's also the possibility of making the working fragile. To use our popular road idea, a finesse 1 road might just end up as the kind of road where it looks like a lot of people just walked a path or rode their carts through and such and so the ground has worn into shapes that more easily facilitate others using it. But this isn't the same as a paved or cobblestone road so it would take only a small thing like a month or two of little to no travel along the path for it to overgrow or some other enviormental thing to wipe the road out again. Or the invisibility cloak is made of a normal material...

[nalak42]

Personally always figured the hate came more from things like Lillun, you know the various references to sexual acts with her (page 39 lists having sex with Lillun as one of the challenges Infernals will use to solve arguments for example), then there's a bit that one of my player's interprited as all Infernals go through a period of being a sex toy for the Yozi and it's 3rd circle (The line says the Infernal's body is shared among the other 3rd circle souls and the jouton, so might not have been intended to read that way. Still had to handle the damage control for it in my game.) With other...

[nalak42]

I swear I remember reading somewhere that part of the surrender oaths were the Yozi weren't allowed to end themselves or the others. Could be wrong, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to think something like that was in there. Even if the gods were reasonably certain that something like the Demon City becoming the Horrible Beach Resort wouldn't release the Yozi. Primordial's becoming new forms isn't exactly a known and easily predicted science. For crying out loud Adjoran used to be a laughing river as opposed to the silent wind, and that's if we don't take Sacheveral into account seeing how it...

[nalak42]

Actually generally yes they did send essence 2-3 out to fight in the Primordial War. This wasn't a conflict where they were going to get a luxury of keeping major war assets (and let's face it that's every exalt) out of the war for over 100 years just so they could hit essence 6. Not to mention that's part of why one would generally pick exceptional individuals to exalt, super powers are going to people who are already pretty good at something and can extrapolate out from there. Though there was probably a fair amount of prep time for things like information gathering, strategy, and making sure...

[nalak42]

First pretty sure that was the Solars that actually had the problems with Jadeborn not Sol, with Auto doing what he did to them when it started to look like the Solars might actually decide to end the Jadeborn on their own. Second Sol has to suppress his virtues to ignore them he doesn't discard them. (Hell I'm guessing you're going with Glories Most High which points out he tends to need to suppress various virtues and spend all his time in the Jade Pleasure Dome lest conflicts arising from maxed out virtues and seeing the world drive him utterly insane.)

As Isator pointed out...

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Plus I think everyone was firmly disturbed by the existence of the Neverborn.* That was a bit I liked in 2E's explanation was the idea that a few of the Primordials become much less willing to fight once they saw that not only could they die, but seeing the Neverborn as what they became led to a bunch deciding they didn't want anymore of this crap.

*Not just that problems were being made by killing Primordials just that the result were really freaking everyone the hell out.

[nalak42]

Well attempting to starve out a Horror is a bit tricky, I mean there is also the risk that the Horror adapts and what was once a collector of shiny baubles ends up a collector of vassals in the prison, or undergoes an entirely different shift and the collector becomes a predator. Then there's the table for bonuses to feeding.
So let's go with a hypothetical collector of heirloom jewelry. (Pretty sure that's not a common thing in prison unless they can get into the personal possession storage room.) Then our collector undergoes their first instance of both their Horror attempting to sate...

[nalak42]

I think it's mostly just a few people with this weird idea that the exaltations are plugged into their creators. I find this train of thought fascinitating, not on the grounds of what it is (I mean you could probably do a story about some god trying to make an exigence that just draws off power as opposed to being invested with or something) more on the grounds that it seems to be coming up recently. I mean most similies and metaphors for how creating an exalt worked have been more viewed in the vein of cutting off a limb and hoping you don't bleed out or something. (Gambling gods probably get...

[nalak42]

Stabbing the Beast to death in the physical world is a fair method of doing the job. Not necessarily easy, but generally agreed upon as easier than trying to kill them in the lair. If you kill the Horror then that ends both halves I believe (kind of sucks for the Beast in that regard) destroying the Beast through the human portion has the risk of turning the Horror into an Unfettered ,basically a ghost Beast or a hunger spirit, which Heroes still consider because it's dead, destroying the Lair actually doesn't kill a Beast. Destroying the entire Lair just forces the Horror to fully inhabit the...

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Actually the way combat is supposed to work getting the solars overwhelmed, caught off guard when possible, or any other of a million little tricks to get a solar more penalties beyond just the onslaught penalties. Lets be fair about this the Sids and DBs were not operating in a vacuum of information on the Solars. While charms aren't a list of known powers in universe it isn't like they wouldn't have a general idea of things. You know "She's a nightmare to sneak up on, he freaking seasons his sandwiches with the worst poisons he can find, and I'm pretty certain those three are immune to...

[nalak42]

As far as #2 goes I would say that you do need some logic to destroying the actual chamber. Like I would say you're note getting far in destroying a vast desert by trying to set it on fire or throwing dynamite. Granted that's just me, so if your ST wants to make it so the method only needs to be physically viable then that's fair. (Ie you can't set a sunken ship on fire because it's underwater.)

Now number 3 there is always the issue that fighting a Beast in its Lair is not necessarily the wisest course of action. Particularly if it's known that a Beast can bring in traits from other...

[nalak42]

At the very least Lunars would have had a vested interest in crippling the Deliberative's communication networks. I mean those trying to protect a solar, or exigent, partner wouldn't have wanted the information on where the it was easily available, and the rest of the Lunars would very much have not wanted it to be easy to track and coordinate attacking them....

[nalak42]

The big thing I think is justifying why they dress up as clowns. The Insatiable I mentioned was a clown before he awakened and thus it was just keeping up with his job and mixing in his new appetites. (Cult only has one episode, so aside from screwing with a lady who has an irrational fear of clowns I don't know about them.) I would personally prefer a better reason than "clowns are scary," but that's also just because there are a number of reasons to justify it including the one nofather mentioned about people being unlikely to believe stories of a serial killer clown group without...

[nalak42]

Seems to be the basic plot for the current season of American Horror Story: Cult. Plus one of the Insatiables in Beast is psychotic clown, who for a fun little twist is heavily involved with the clown groups trying to keep people aware that clowns are not evil, creepy, or the like and just want to make people laugh.

[nalak42]

Mind a lot of the "How does collecting a thing from a person teach a lesson" is only if we're going for the direct of the lesson being by collecting and not something like how silver age Batman and Superman had massive piles of superweapons and such from foiled supervillain plots. You know teach the lesson, terrify the person, do what you gotta, and then you walk off with the thing as a trophy....

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Murcushio Not necessarily on the gas thing. This series is kind of all over the tech scale at times, so we have no clue what the hell Bumblebee runs on and how long it can do so. For all we know it runs on dust vials with the spares kept under the seat or some other such madness of the writers not wanting to deal with that kind of stuff.

[nalak42]

I don't recall where the archaeology one, so I can't say there. As far as the safe-cracker I think there's a bit of a difference between one who cracks professionally and illegally. So depending on how the clients are run it could be that he's acquiring stuff from other people's safes on commission. Of course the other option is that these people were trying to build a good secure safe and that either by mundane means of breaking the safe or just using the anakim ability to rip through barriers.

It's tricky with feeding as a collector as you are bound to a more complicated timetable....