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  • It's actually 2m 1i, but it still compares unfavorably to Cloud of Ebon Devils. It's Perilous, which shuts it down in Initiative Crash, and has a dead Charm as its prerequisite (it explicitly says it only works on "a firewand or similar flame weapon" - why am I forced to pick up a Charm that explicitly can't help me if I want to use a firewand? Either Harvest of the Hunter needs to be changed so it can create ammunition for flame weapons, or it shouldn't be a prerequisite here). Its supposed advantage is that it can a/ help you reload between multi-attacks (which is not an issue if you...
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  • First off, when a literal demon storm out of hell with winds strong enough to force flying creatures out of the sky only applies a -3, I'm strongly questioning how often a -5 is going to happen over the course of the average campaign.

    Second, yes - in a situation where you would take a -3, you can effectively use it to get +3 non-charm dice for 4m. It's a slightly worse motes-to-dice rate than the excellency, but those dice are non-charm, so it's fair. But that's all it is - fair. Not great. Not amazing.

    So what you have is a Charm that, if you fulfill a(n admittedly...
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  • The guide is very much let down by a lack of granularity - bad/okay/good/very good is just not nearly as expressive as the D&D CharOp boards-style bad/situational/average/good/very good split.

    Also, the rating of some picks is uhh... questionable at best. When Charms that have been sent back for a second pass for being borderline useless (Sky-Calming Draw, Flame-Borne Interception) are rated as good picks, I find myself futilely trying to unravel the logic behind the decision in bafflement (and failing, because - another cardinal sin in guide writing - the writer's reasoning...
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  • 1m for 1i is generally a decent, if not outstandingly good deal (see also: Reed in the Wind).

    Are you asking how much is the maximum I'd be willing to pay to retain 2i? How much would make me very happy to have the ability?
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  • Very often.

    I have defense penalties? Time to delay, clashes don't care about onslaught, and wound penalties are effectively halved.

    They're laboring under a penalty to rolled actions? Time to delay, I'm better off hitting their penalized attack than their unmodified defense.

    I have trouble with their soak or they're down to their last health level and I don't have the initiative to reliably finish them? Clash damage bonuses may solve the issue.

    Applying a -2 Defense penalty from losing a clash before my big decisive next turn is also supremely...
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to Lunars Preview!
    Literally nothing of what you said addresses anything I said in any way though?


    I mean, let's break it down paragraph by paragraph:

    - You make an argument that my framing of CBT and SIT is "misleading". Me saying that these Charms have been criticized on the basis that they reward rape/torture could only be misleading if the criticism I was referring to somehow didn't happen. I only repeated that I personally did not agree with this criticism three times over the course of the last few posts I made. I literally have no idea how I could possibly make my...
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    Last edited by aluminiumtrioxid; 08-02-2018, 08:49 PM.

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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to Lunars Preview!
    The flippant answer would be "maybe try reading the paragraph directly preceding it", but I'll bite.

    The criticism leveled against Celestial Bliss Trick and Shadow-Immolating Talon is that they reward you for doing something extra heinous (rape and torture, respectively).

    I believe that the careful wording on Heart-Drinking Allure is, at least in part, a reaction to the backlash against effects such as these: it allows you to benefit from doing the extra heinous thing, but only to the same extent as somebody else who chooses to merely do the highly questionable...
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  • Defense against "weird shit" (sorcery, shaping effects, Fate shenanigans, et cetera).
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
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    I think there's a subtle difference between "arguing for the same people I'd rather take potshots at" and saying that "to me, there seems to be little functional difference between Heart-Drinking Allure and other Charms that are seen as controversial by some people in the community, even though I disagree with the assertion that the existence of said Charms is, in itself, problematic".

    There seems to be an assumption of bad faith here - that I either expressed surprise because I wanted to start shit with the people who like the preview, or because I wanted to start...
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    Last edited by aluminiumtrioxid; 08-01-2018, 09:43 PM.

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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to Lunars Preview!
    You're repeating a point I already made though?...
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to Lunars Preview!
    Clearly, getting a shot in at people who are present is much loftier and does wonders for raising the standards of the discussion :P...
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to Lunars Preview!
    The Charm text says "a human that has a Major or Defining Tie of love or lust toward her (or her current shape)" - there's nothing stopping you from nomming on a hot soldier boy, taking his shape, going to his home and having sex with his lover (who believes you to be him) to steal their shape as well....
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to Lunars Preview!
    To me, all three seem like a case of "this Charm has a clearly intended use-case but does not prevent you from abusing it in a way that is creepy and wrong, and you even profit by doing so".

    Granted, Allure grants you the same benefit you would receive by not being being less of a creepy bastard, so it arguably does not reward you for being particularly disgusting....
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to Lunars Preview!
    So is the decision to use Celestial Bliss Trick for rape or Shadow-Immolating Talon for mass torture, yet it did not stop people from complaining about them....
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to Lunars Preview!
    No complaints so far about how Lunars are incentivized to commit rape by deception? Frankly, I am surprised.
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  • Y'know, one thing I don't understand is why can't the people who like to have tactical combat choices and clearly have the system mastery to recognize the benefits of maximizing their dice pools just exercise some basic self-restraint and maybe go dex 3, ability 5, no spec instead of picking 5/5 and an omni-applicable specialty, especially when doing so would make the game more fun to them by their own metrics....
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to On What Fire Has Wrought
    And this is why the assumption of maximum optimization as the default is literally poisonous to the game line.

    (Granted, medium weapons' omni-applicable free +1 Defense doesn't help.)...
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to Ledaal Hyper Shikari
    Sure, it probably won't break anything. I, personally, don't like them, the reasons for which I have explained here; but that shouldn't keep you from doing your own thing in your own game!...
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to Ledaal Hyper Shikari
    I am reasonably confident it's just meant to read as "these guys can bump up their permanent Essence without the need for the usual decades of experience and heavy meditation requirements".
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  • aluminiumtrioxid
    replied to On What Fire Has Wrought
    I am reasonably confident that you can't just announce an attack without specifying a target - in which case your original target is either already at short range, thus obviating the need for the Charm, or they're not, and your announcement that you're making a "short range withering attack" becomes invalid....
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