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  • I think without the Tzimisce to promote the spiritual and social camaraderie aspects of Sabbat life, it would be far more pragmatic and treacherous. (The two backbone clans would be Lasombra and Tremere—they'd either strangle the Sabbat vying for control against each other, or work together to streamline it into a frighteningly effective war machine.)
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  • I don't think it's for certain that all the current Inner Councilors are 4th generation, as several are replacement holders of their seat, and easily diablerized 4th generation methuselahs don't grow on trees. In fact I'm almost certain I've seen Grimgroth referred to as 5th generation somewhere.
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  • Matt the Bruins fan
    replied to Gehenna Cycle
    Wasn't Set's last known appearance rather suspiciously in the same year as the Crucifixion?
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  • Matt the Bruins fan
    replied to Breaking curses
    In Greek mythology a lot of curses tended to start with what the curse-speaker would like to happen to the cursee, followed up by what he or she would settle for. Guess which one tended to happen?

    In any event, the Baali being the source of this particular curse suggests to me that it might be vulnerable to the same sort of things that they are. Cultivate friendships with people of faith (note this could be Sabbat Inquisitors carrying around their iron reliquaries). Frequent houses of worship. Go on a pilgrimage. Seek out legends about saints' fingerbones and healing waters. Try repenting...
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  • I think it boils down to rarity. The Tzimisce who practice Koldunic Sorcery are a minority and the real experts are mostly insular and located in Eastern Europe where no one in their right minds go looking to fight them; by contrast, the vast majority of the Tremere practice Thaumaturgy, and their clan culture/role in the Camarilla involves frequent use of it in pragmatic fashion to accumulate boons and secure their own position....
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  • On general principle, I'd have anyone with any sort of supernatural perception—including a single dot in Awareness—get a "Danger Will Robinson, Danger!" alert if in the presence of a hidden Baali building up a ball of destructive power from the great beyond over multiple turns, even if the vampire itself might be hidden until someone tries actively looking for the source.
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  • Considering that a level 5 Thaumaturgy ritual can create pseudo-vampires out of spare parts, tinkering with specifics of the Curse in a willing, pre-existing vampire seems like it should be somewhat easier.
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  • Matt the Bruins fan
    replied to Breaking curses
    Seems like Unweave Ritual would do for curses that are more complex than the evil eye.
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  • F-15s as his sacred eagles, delivering thunderbolts in the form of Sidewinder missiles and a Vulcan gatling gun?
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  • Matt the Bruins fan
    replied to Summoning an Incarna
    To echo Aleph, I don't think Spirit 5 in multiple hands would be enough to compel an incarna level spirit to appear, for that you'd need Spirit 6 and a whole lot of successes. It would do for opening a gateway to the home of one and personally entreating it, and Spirit 2 is all that's really necessary to make it aware of your request.

    As for the convincing, lots of chiminage and ass-kissing.
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  • Remember in the Renaissance, they would also have cautionary tales of how well getting in a pissing match over territory with vampires worked out for House Tremere from a mage's perspective. I doubt anyone would have a detailed knowledge of what exactly went down, but the bottom line would be "mage organization picks fight with Eastern European night creatures, gets contaminated, 400+ years later IS an organization of night creatures."
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  • I didn't actually ask why. There's always videogames. Characters advance faster in those than tabletop if you play them 16 hours a day, right?
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  • Matt the Bruins fan
    replied to Gehenna Cycle
    It works nicely for the most part, and I'd think players would still be at the mercy of rumors and hearsay because they'll never have actually met someone who predates the current Gehenna cycle. Most of the methuselah vampires affiliated with the two major sects only date back to the Bronze Age Collapse, so they were probably in the wave of new seeding embraces the antediluvians made the last time they were active en masse. (Izhim Ur-Baal is the only exception I can think of offhand, and he tends to hold his cards rather close to the vest...)
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  • I don't see this as a problem. It took what, most of a century for the best brains of the Tremere acting in concert to develop Thaumaturgy? I don't think even an elder PC should just be able to snap their fingers and invent kewl new powerz at the drop of a hat. Months or years of trial and error effort seem appropriate.
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  • Matt the Bruins fan
    replied to Artwork Tropes
    Jones' character portraits are generally pretty evocative across the board. I actually think they looked better in Revised as B&W art than the color pieces I've seen in V20, though.
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  • Matt the Bruins fan
    replied to Neph discussion thread
    Thanks! The charms definitely go in the "pro" column for me.
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  • I'm disinclined to be charitable. I distinctly recall pointing out mismatched names in errata thread, which then made it into the final book with a shrug of the developer's shoulders....
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  • Matt the Bruins fan
    replied to Neph discussion thread
    I was a late-comer to the game line, so I don't know if Neph is responsible for the stuff I loved about Infernals, the stuff I loathed, or a mix. He wasn't the Lillun author, was he?
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  • I assume that combination of disciplines would result in heat vision or super-ventriloquism.
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  • That's not honoring Zeus, it's competing with him for women!...
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