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  • And in a very large number of Chinese movies, books, and tv shows. And Japanese and Korean etc. There is a connection in the popular consciousness between Daoism and martial arts going back centuries, and Daoist mystics have done nothing to discourage that. Their practice is a type of gongfu, which also includes martial arts, and the Wudang tradition of martial arts is firmly Daoist in origin.

    Then there’s the Buddhist tradition, which also accounts for a great deal of Chinese ideas about magic and even martial arts, and it’s hard to completely decouple it from Daoism, as the...
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  • Black Flag
    replied to V5 Clan Lasombra symbol
    It’s still not as big a difference as we got with Revised, the edition with easily the most drastic metaplot advancements in the line’s entire history. People just forget that because the game was on hiatus for a decade, followed by an anniversary edition that tried to be metaplot-agnostic and thus didn’t really move things forward past where Revised left them.

    So a game known for its advancing metaplot and periodic setting shake-ups and startling revelations was basically on hold for 15 years, and some folks — many of whom came to the game during or just before that unusual...
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  • It’s to get people to make characters with interesting problems that aren’t easily soluble. That’s very useful for a game that’s basically a character-driven soap opera. See also the relationship map and the expectation that you have at least five relationships, including positive and negative ones, to start. Or the need for a desire and ambition. Characters with no discernible problems or connections to the setting or long-term plans just aren’t as useful in setting up this kind of game.
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  • Never underestimate the ability of our education system to foster a shocking degree of ignorance about the outside world. I have had teenaged students ask me 1) what part of Mexico Spain is in, 2) where Chinese people come from, and 3) whether people in Europe have technology like cars and toothbrushes.

    It’s what happens when you have a country as big as this one that people seldom travel outside of, plus an education system that is mainly concerned with cultivating patriotism by making this country out to be the only place of importance in the whole world. (And, frankly, a lot...
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  • On the one hand, yeah, people in the USA tend to assume all Latin Americans are Mexicans. That’s not great, but it is the closest neighbor and the largest Hispanic country, so understandable.

    On the other hand, people in the USA tend to know very little even about Mexico, which is sad and unfortunate. It’s mostly silly caricatures and negative stereotypes, and that stuff creeps into games and other media too often. Especially considering that the USA has the second largest Hispanic population after Mexico....
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  • The Camarilla *is* a mafia, in the general sense of the term. It’s also got all the negative aspects of it, plus a few more.
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  • Can’t seem to find it again. I’m pretty sure it took place near Lima in colonial times, and it’s a vampire film only in very broad terms, and even that is a bit of a spoiler. I recall seeing it on Netflix a few years ago, and it centered on a young priest who returned to his family estate to find it almost empty from a plague. But of course things aren’t what they seem....
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  • Agreed. I believe the only reason they didn’t deal with SA back in the 90s is that they just didn’t know much about it, and part of that is because there isn’t much of this sort of media set there. Or st least not that is widely available, even less in the pre-internet age. I’ve since seen a pretty good Peruvian Vampire movíe, but for us back then there was nada....
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  • It doesn’t have to be about being good. Crime dramas (explicitly named as an inspiration for Anarch games) are about somewhat sympathetic bad guys. A lot of Vampire games are about being just as bad as you need to be but not as bad as those other guys. So Camarilla and Anarchs are pretty bad, but they tell themselves at least the Sabbat are worse. The Sabbat tell themselves... other things, but Sabbat games have always been something of an inversion of the default mode.
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  • Don’t worry; they’re not. Anarch vs. Camarilla is a meaningful trade-off. Yes, you have more freedom, in theory, but that comes at a great cost. The biggest one is security. And yeah, “Anarch” is a big tent, a term defined by opposition more then anything, so some portion of them are going to be frustrated authoritarians who couldn’t make it in the Camarilla, not actual anarchists. So you got everything from real egalitarian communes to petty dictatorships, with the only common denominator being that your territory is probably small and vulnerable.

    I mean, it’s a legitimate...
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  • Black Flag
    replied to These new Lasombras
    Not so clean or easy if there are three or more major sects, though, is it?...
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  • It’s a part of the weird Setite Ministry ur-religion, for one, but mostly I’m thinking if the Cainite Heresy. It got its own book in the Dark Ages line, is probably meant to be one of the origins of the religion of the Sabbat, and has been brought back in the form of the Church of Caine in V5. It’s discussed in all V5 books so far.

    The Camarilla basically banned it, not just because ir promoted belief in the Antediluvians, but also because the Camarilla, for all its claim to be secular, is still culturally Christian, and all those medieval vampires who founded it held a basically...
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  • Yeah, Anarchs struggling against the Camarilla isn’t a new thing; that was the default mode of play in V1. It was still there in every subsequent edition, but it got downplayed as the sect war between Camarilla & Sabbat got increasingly played up and, because the Anarchs weren’t really treated as an independent sect until V20 (LA by Night notwithstanding) they weren’t taken seriously by the authors as sect war material. Meanwhile, the Sabbat effectively became the Anarch-like sect.

    But yeah, Anarchs are the punk in gothic-punk. Camarilla (and Sabbat too, when they’re...
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  • Black Flag
    replied to Tzimisce and Kupala
    I don’t necessarily disagree, but it interesting how orthodox forms of Christianity still cheat a bit with the veneration of saints who help you with this and that, if you say the right prayers, and a few of whom actually were gods originally. In Christian thought it’s not really “worship,” because it’s rationalized within a monotheistic context, but from a pagan perspective that would be a distinction without a difference.

    A lot of orthodox Christian practice preserves these little bits of classical Greco-Roman religion but changes the context. But that context matters,...
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  • Black Flag
    replied to Dominate and Generation
    In seriousness, I can indeed see it as an edge case thing, where in this particular situation you don’t want any unforeseen consequences. In that case spending willpower to keep the hangry Beast in check seems appropriate....
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  • Black Flag
    replied to Dominate and Generation
    But messy crits are a large part of the fun. Can’t imagine spending points to avoid one.
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  • Black Flag
    replied to These new Lasombras
    There’s quite a bit of text on the SI already. Plenty of room for more, but it’s not as if we don’t know how to use it in games. I’m already doing so.
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  • Black Flag
    replied to These new Lasombras
    The problem with the word “antitribu” (aside from being a made-up Spanish word for no apparent reason) is that it doesn’t tell you much. So they’re not in the sect that the clan leadership has decided to affiliate with; okay, but what sect are they actually *in*?
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  • Black Flag
    replied to These new Lasombras
    Yeah, each clan has an inside term for the “traitors.” So you have “Free Ventrue,” “Red Nosferatu,” “Abstract Toreador,” “Unchained Malkavians,” etc.

    Similarly, you have “Hellenistic Brujah” who stuck with the Camarilla.

    Basically, this edition has more major sects, and anyone can be in any sect, so it no longer makes sense to have a tribe/anti-tribe binary designation. Instead I expect clans will have their own terms to refer to members in each sect....
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  • Black Flag
    replied to Tzimisce and Kupala
    @Muad’Dib: It’s a consequence of the development of monotheism. If you only recognize one god, then you need some justification for why. There are lots of gods out there who are worshiped by lots of people, so why not accept them as such? Well, it must be because you have a more strict criterion for divinity that they don’t meet.

    But yeah, it’s mostly Christianity. Judaism got it started, holding that Jews had a covenant with Yahweh not to worship other gods, but ancient Jews don’t actually assert that other gods don’t exist or aren’t really gods; they’re just not...
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