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  • Word of Command lets you activate non-supernal magical objects (although requires other Arcana to do so, borderline)
    Supernal Veil works on other supernatural creatures explicitly - if it was just truthiness this would work on anything.
    Supernal Vision works on non-supernal beings and phenomena.
    Word of Making refers to magical objects in the same context that Word of Command does (super, super, super borderline).

    Honestly, Vision + Veil make the intent clear imo, but it's certainly up for interpretation.
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  • A Compelling Spirit spell probably could.
    That's not the only thing the Prime spell does - it also lets you pay Mana instead of the normal activation cost.

    Also - there are 4 published Prime spells that treat other supernatural phenomena as something under its purview. I'll have to check and see if I can find what I'm thinking of re: out of game clarification....
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  • It's because 'Magic' is under the purview of Prime, and it can be inferred from the text, and has been clarified outside of it, that 'magic' is not just Awakened Magic....
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  • I mean, Mages can create 'Uratha Fetishes' with a published spell....
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  • lnodiv
    replied to News on the FAQ?
    I tried this yesterday.

    So many of the questions are such strong points of contention that it's seriously a foolish endeavor to even try....
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  • lnodiv
    replied to News on the FAQ?
    No, it's a case of being aware that one of the 'forums' he posts on disappears posts after a brief period of time and isn't searchable in any meaningful way.

    You're being an ass....
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  • lnodiv
    replied to News on the FAQ?
    Extrapolation does not a strawman make. The point was that the ability for an individual to "make a call" does not invalidate the need for official material.


    That's now been done, the original thread was a request to see if anyone had heard of anything, since I don't frequent every single RPG forum thread where the devs post. Then it turned into a discussion about the need (or lack thereof) of supporting documentation for published products.

    None of this constitutes harassment.


    Absolutely no one in this thread has voiced a request...
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  • lnodiv
    replied to News on the FAQ?
    Why should OPP release products at all?
    We can all just play without a system and make a call, right?

    It's no higher or lower of a priority than it ever was. It would be nice if it was something that OPP could pay the devs for, like you see with other companies within the hobby. Those companies aren't operating under identical circumstances to OPP, as has been discussed and recognized. That doesn't make it somehow wrong to make a desire for change known.

    You are not the first person in this thread arguing against a position that literally no one is taking. Maybe...
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  • lnodiv
    replied to News on the FAQ?
    If you had even a modicum of actual awareness of the environment you're posting in, you probably wouldn't be boasting of that in a thread full of people that are constantly making judgment calls, developing Homebrew, and debating some of the more esoteric mechanics of this gameline together as a community. There isn't a single person in this thread - even among the people whose stances I disagree with - who hasn't clearly established themselves as capable of making sound judgment calls time and again here on the forums.

    Your approach is not special, nor is it notable, nor is it a...
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  • lnodiv
    replied to Roleplaying: Raising Gnosis
    Ah, then yes, I agree with your take for most of the games I've run, and the ones I've played in treat it similarly.

    Wyrd's 'just spend xp' also has its place in a certain kind of game, though....
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  • I see your meaning, now - but I don't think talks of real-life mysticism belong here at all. We have an off-topic forum.

    OPP has done a really good job of distancing the practices and beliefs of things in their fictional settings from real world counterparts, especially compared to OWOD. I think that separation is a good thing, and should carry over to their discussion forums, personally.

    As for the quote - sorry, I try to just quote the parts I'm responding too - consider the rest of your message received....
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  • I wouldn't, any more than I'd appreciate a devout Christian telling me all about the similarities between their beliefs and the God-Machine, and comparing people like me to subterranean rodents in the process.

    Moinen hit the nail on the head.

    This isn't the place for an AMA from someone who believes they're a real-life Mage....
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  • lnodiv
    replied to Roleplaying: Raising Gnosis
    This is the recommendation for achieving Archmastery, or binding to an Abyssal Zigurrat, I think it might be a bit much for raising Gnosis (unless you're trying to run a version of the setting where high Gnosis is rarer)

    OP, M2E Has this to say:


    Normally, I require pretty major personal 'revelation' decided on by the player. Frequently accompanied by a change in Virtue/Vice, and almost always a new Obsession....
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  • lnodiv
    replied to Spell control, Mind and Soul
    I could see that, yeah....
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  • lnodiv
    replied to Spell control, Mind and Soul
    I'm pretty sure Mind could force a Mage to make the decision to consciously end one of their spells, yeah.
    Why wouldn't it be able to?...
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  • lnodiv
    replied to News on the FAQ?
    A FAQ, and in cases where it's necessary, regular errata instead of a single pass..basically just those, yeah.
    A lot of OPP products don't need the same level of errata attention as others, but some could have definitely used several passes - Geist comes to mind (although I'm not sure if they had transitioned to OPP yet when that came out).

    For most games, especially the much more refined 2E stuff, a FAQ really provides most of the major answers one tends to need. The Vampire one, for example, is invaluable....
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  • lnodiv
    replied to News on the FAQ?
    That's super dismissive of the topic at hand. No one is suggesting that they pay a monthly salary 'just to post things'. We're talking about a single document that is essentially standard support across the hobby.

    Paying a developer to provide such a document is an order of magnitude more reasonable than what you're presenting.


    Can you stop crapping on my thread? You've made it clear you don't think it's worth discussing. So don't....
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  • lnodiv
    replied to News on the FAQ?
    I'm also not understanding the arguments here. Only one person has expressed a desire to return to the supplement treadmill, and literally no one agreed with it.
    Everyone else is basically saying "It sucks that this isn't a thing, but we get why. It would be cool if there could be changes made to make this possible."
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  • lnodiv
    replied to News on the FAQ?
    I think the defense is getting a little overzealous here. There has been no indication it's being worked on for eight months. Yes, that's perfectly understandable for someone that's not getting paid to work on it - I don't work for free, either. But there's no evidence to support 'it's being worked on' right now. At best, we can say "It has been worked on, and hopefully gets picked back up soon."

    As for it being free?

    1) It's a non-existent product, so I'd hope to hell they aren't trying to charge me for it
    2) Even if the product did exist, support required...
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  • Yep, this is the best way to handle it. It's how my current Matter mage has been getting things done....
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