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  • The Brujah are probably going to be one of the bigger exceptions to that. While they have a disproportionate number of Anarchs, the clan as a whole IS a member of the Camarilla. An old Camarilla Brujah is going to be very similar to a Ventrue in outlook and methodology. His/her vulnerability to frenzy is going to be something he/she hides by controlling the environment around him so that everything is civilized and quiet, and any arguments are done in a carefully political tone so as not to rouse the beast. In other words, the way the clan likely operated when it was a High Clan.
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  • The thing is, in practice problems are going to be solved by the player-characters.

    If those player-characters are combat-monsters, then they will be the elite forces who get sent in to deal with things militarily, whether they take the BH background or not.

    If those player-characters are social manipulators, then the Black Hand can be the guys they manipulate into doing the combat stuff, sure, but they could just as easily manipulate a pack known for its military prowess.

    Thus there is a kind of clunky pointlessness to the Black Hand....
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  • I've never quite known what to do with the regular black hand. I mean, a fanatic Sabbat who looks for heresy in his packmates? Doesn't that describe most Sabbat? I've never understood what makes these guys worth creating as a distinct group in the first place. I've actually gone so far as to refuse to let players play them, not because I thought it would be overpowered, but because it seemed like a pointless waste of background points.
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  • Only thing is, if you manage to get some domain and herd, then you are a de fact primogen in most respects. A de facto primogen with no voice in council meetings, and no one to call on if your domain is attacked by sabbat. Which means that many of the more successful Anarchs are going to get quietly absorbed into the Camarilla once they get old and powerful enough. Maybe no one retires in the Camarilla, but it is a mistake to say that their is no upward mobility. Like the feudal lords of old, newbies can rise simply by holding territory that is in dispute. And once they do so, they are going to...
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  • CajunKhan
    replied to Paths by Usefulness?
    Doesn't conjured stuff turn to goop if damaged? Seems to me that that means that any explosive would go off, at best, at firecracker levels before ceasing to be explosive.
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  • CajunKhan
    replied to Paths by Usefulness?
    The Tremere are mostly academics concerned with the gradual gain of mystical knowledge and power. As such, they don't have much to gain from oppressing each other. If a Tremere does something unorthodox, he is likely to either destroy himself, or gain more mystical knowledge for the clan. If the former, well then the problem has taken care of itself. If the latter, wonderful, more knowledge and power for the low low price of ignoring someone.

    In fact, I'd guess that the biggest problem in the Tremere isn't oppression, it's thievery. Work fifty years constructing some new ritual that...
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  • CajunKhan
    replied to The Second Generation
    Like the Ante's are all guys who made a deal with the Devil for immortality, and aren't even related, a deal with the Devil for immortality just has similar results. Or the Ante's all actually Chthuluesque beings who were never human to begin with. Only the fourth on down are truly human vampires. All sorts of possibilities when you give it a little thought.
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  • CajunKhan
    replied to Paths by Usefulness?
    Yeah, I've always hated that Path of Blood is standard, to the point where I long ago houseruled it that Weather Control is the default. I'm a big fan of old school Dracula, and it just seems wrong to me that there is no vampire that starts with his control over the weather.
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  • Well later Sabbat stuff makes it clear that most true Sabbat aren't shovelheads. The shovelheads are mostly tossed away on suicide missions almost immediately. And remember, Sabbat who aren't true Sabbat can be executed at will by any true Sabbat, which probably happens a lot when shovelheads survive their missions, and the True Sabbat decide that they just don't have enough hunting grounds to sustain this many vampires in this new city they just captured.

    The actual True Sabbat, especially members of the Big Two clans, are just as picky as Cammies when it comes to their progeny....
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  • Not really. I'd say the most powerful begining character is probably a Brujah. It's only once the XP starts piling up that the Tremere come into their own....
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  • CajunKhan
    replied to Just do it the high-tech way
    That's hard to say, because the books themselves are deeply contradictory about it. Sometimes it seems like the White Wolfverse is purely metaphysically idealistic. Other suppliments imply that the Technocracy viewpoint is at least partially correct, and the Traditions are arguing about the margins. I think the problems comes in because (1)in the real world the Technocratic viewpoint IS correct, purely and absolutely, so it becomes difficult to detail the White-Wolfverse without either acknowleding that, or else making the WWverse nothing like the real world, when it's supposed to be a grim and...
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  • One thing: y'know vampires, especially young vampires, don't need to just drink human blood, right? Nothing stopping them from heavily supplementing their diet with animals, especially during war-time.
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  • Maybe the Tremere just wanted to survive more than the Hermetics wanted to kill them. Tell a Hermetic that vampires are an abomination, and maybe he'll believe you, but is he going to want to risk his life over it? Wouldn't it be far more exciting to him to stay home and read that old tome, or mix these potions? Meanwhile the Tremere are devoting their every waking hour to not dying.
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  • CajunKhan
    replied to Just do it the high-tech way
    Delete please
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  • CajunKhan
    replied to Just do it the high-tech way
    That's not really true in the updated Tradition books. The Trads mix in technocratic stuff with their mystical symbols and such. I think that WW realized that they had made the Traditions less free than the supposedly oppressive Technocrats. So they made an effort in later material to make it clear that the Traditions were indeed about freedom and tolerance.
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