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  • Watcher
    replied to All Myths Are True - My Cosmology
    Totally! Let me know how you like the cosmology with those changes, and how it goes! I am glad you enjoy the idea of the merged worlds, that's all Iry, a brilliant idea of his. I think the Cosmology mainly exists to help keep my own internal arguments at a minimum while running a game, I am very happy that people find it interesting, let alone interesting enough to use some of it in their own games....
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  • Watcher
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    So, just as Samudra points out, the challenge of the story of The Indian Wars of Dionysus is that I need to explain why the Deva do not intervene when the Theoi start meddling in their region. This meddling isn't simple, "Turn some mortals into stone," meddling, but God-on-God violence, regiments of Cyclopses, herds of centaur being brought, it is a proper, big Divine War. IIRC 'Sages' (probably a vague echo of the idea of the Brahman caste) do their best to hold back the forces of the Theoi. The events of the story almost erupt into civil war at points when the Pro-Dionysus and Pro-Indian...
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  • Watcher
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    Close, but not quite. I also don't run the idea that every Underworld and Overworld is part of the same 'plane,' it's a violation of All Myths Are True, and doesn't really add anything to the game. It also fails to account for Pantheons that don't use their Overworld, have Underground-Overworlds, and Aboveground-Underworlds. It was, like much of 1e, a Greek-centric notion unnecessarily imposed upon all of the Pantheons. The Sidhe mounds, and Olympus are not nebulous locations in "The Overworld," (especially since the Sidhe Mounds are beneath the earth) they are both Overworlds, but are...
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  • Watcher
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    If you want to read specifically about those figures, check out Contributions to the Ethnology of the Haida. Edited by Franz Boas. Vol. V. The Jesup North Pacific Expedition by John R. Swanton. It is an Ethnographic work where he discusses the figures I drew on to use as Titans in the opening... two chapters I believe.

    If, on the other hand, you just want to read Haida myths, I suggest the following.​
    • A Story As Sharp As A Knife: The Classical Haida Mythtellers And Their World. 2nd ed. Vol. 1. Masterworks of the Classical Haida Mythtellers. Translated by Robert Bringhurst.
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  • Watcher
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    Alrighty, if anyone wants to read the full details of my Cosmology minus one or two of the really weird bits, it is all detailed here. (I'm really sorry it's so long)
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  • Watcher
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    Cosmology - My Solution
    As I mentioned at the start of this thread, this system is designed to respond to six challenges that the notion that All Myths Are True causes, keeping the game as accurate as possible while also trying to manage the colossal headache All Myths Are True can cause for a Storyteller.

    The problems presented by In The Beginning, the issues of multiple origins of everything in creation, is really simply addressed by this Cosmology. It’s all true, even though that’s obviously contradictory. The world was made by the Tezcatlipocas from the body of Cipactli,...
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  • Watcher
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    All Myths Are True - My Cosmology

    The cosmological system I use for Scion caught the attention of some forum posters earlier this week, and there was interest to see my brief explanation expanded upon. So, that is what I am doing here. I would like to credit Iry for the idea of the planet Earth being a result of merged Pantheon-Specific worlds, and Aynie for the notion of the Legend Cap brought on by the sealing of Titans. I have interwoven these notions, and added some features of my own here and there.

    The premise that All Myths Are True forms one of the core pieces of Scion. However, this notion can be exceptionally...
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  • Watcher
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    I absolutely can do that! I finished my rough draft, it's... a bit long at 7.3k words, and I feel a bit too dry. Tomorrow I will take the ideas, trim them down, structure it a bit better, write it in less of a dry voice. Hopefully I will have it up in the next day or two....
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  • Watcher
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    I absolutely will, I am just currently writing up the details. I started off giving myself a solid explanation of the issues I'm trying to address, seven big issues that I sought to address through this cosmology. I don't know if people will want to read that, but that's the only section I have completed thus far. It's 2,500 words because I used examples, and explained the challenges that these seven problems that the cosmology of Scion presents a Storyteller.

    I don't know if people will really want to read that, it was more of an exercise for myself to make sure I explain my reasoning,...
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  • Watcher
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    That's actually one of the details I didn't expand into, we have been running our games with the idea that not all Titans are antagonistic for years now, so I actually already have that as part of the system. I didn't delve into it since I know not everyone does that. Lots of non-literal, and sometimes unintentional 'Imprisonments' like Lir being imprisoned by his grief, something which the Tuatha never intended, and worked against, but couldn't stop. He has no chains, no gilded prison, but his sorrow has kept him imprisoned for thousands of years. And not all Titans even get imprisoned, I've...
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  • Watcher
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    Oh, I'm so happy you like it as well! I am now slightly embarrassed that I wrote the idea in such a rambling, incoherent way. If some people find the cosmology concept useful for their own games, maybe I will spin it together in a more elegant way, with some of the details I didn't put down, and my rationalizations for the different parts of the method from a game-running outlook as well as a All Myths Are True outlook....
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  • Watcher
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    Oh, if people like it, people are more than free to use it! It's not purely my idea, I cobbled it together from the cosmologies of Aynie and Iry. Aynie has the idea of a 'sealed world' and Iry has the idea of the 'countless, merged worlds' which I wove together. I am glad it is serving of use to others!...
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  • Watcher
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    I am glad you like it! It helps me a lot deal with getting around having to explain every little thing to myself, which I find really helpful. It is also a really fun tool for making Terra Incognita flow more seamlessly into the world. After the Legend starts leaking back, if you go start digging in a Sidhe mound, you'll fall through someone's roof (and probably get yelled at a lot and probably forced to do something to make up for it) and there will legitimately be a large island off to the west that has a bunch of strange people on it who keep coming around and asking if anyone saw Oisin around...
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  • Watcher
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    So, this is one of the things that is very, very very much up to individual storytellers. There is no right or wrong way to handle this. (I, personally, think my own way to handle this is really dumb, needlessly complicated, but I've spent so much time making it work, and it prevents so many headaches that I can't ignore because I'm stupid about somethings and can't just ignore things.)

    I would say that no world-ending monster could kill off all the Pantheons though, things get too weird the moment you take a being out of their cosmology. I will normally keep Apocalypses centralized...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Suggested resources for mythology
    Oh, no, sorry. I should have phrased that, "The Argonauts were credited with building a shrine to Hecate." The Argonauts are well into the realm of mythic figures....
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  • Watcher
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    The Titans get worshiped sometimes, but not all of them. Not because some are 'too horrible to worship' or anything, more like because some of them were just so borderline 'meh' that they didn't attract any major cult presence. The biggest two who get worshiped are probably Cronus (as Saturn) and Rhea (as Rhea, Ops, and Cybele). Mnemosyne gets invoked at the start of some of the poetic epics, but that isn't worship. Themis is essentially the modern day Lady Justice, but having a bunch of statues isn't worship. She's just used as an Anthropomorphic Personification. The rest of The Twelve Titans...
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  • Watcher
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    Interesting! I didn't realize the term had changed so heavily, that's really neat.

    And you're totally right, by the start of the Old Irish period, the Filid had faded, and broken apart. They are more of an Iron Age than Early Medieval thing, but the idea of poets having an oracular function sort of lurks in the background here and there in the texts. Potentially a survival from older versions of the tales, but also potentially just sort of a cultural association that persists past the end of the Filid.

    What I really find interesting is the idea that the Filid are the...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Suggested resources for mythology
    I quickly tossed both terms into some of the word databases for Old Irish, can't see the elder versions at a glance oddly. I'm not sure where I could get my hands on a transcription of one of the texts, but I'll see if I can get my hands on an original version to track down the Old Irish terms that are used. Quickly delved into the Corpus of Electronic Texts to grab a translation of The Boyish Exploits of Finn. (Here if anyone would like them) The lines regarding the salmon are 18-20.

    The way I have seen the idea of the salmon translated before is that it gives Poetic Wisdom, which...
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  • Watcher
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    Oh yeah, the Tuatha are defeated, most of their 'Big Names' are dead, and the Pantheon is driven beneath the ground by the invasion of The Sons of Mil, the ancestors of the modern day Irish. Dian Cecht and Goibniu both die to a plague, The Dagda is killed by The Sons of Mil due to an old wound left by Cethlenn of the Crooked Teeth, Lugh is killed by three of The Dagda's grandsonssons, Nuada, Macha, and Ogma are killed by the Fomori.

    The rest of the Tuatha are defeated in a series of battles, both physical and magical, when the mortals invade Ireland. Manannan mac Lir arrives to form...
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  • Watcher
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    Oh man, the Finn and the Fianna. The Fianna bands of Ireland are really interesting as this method to essentially curb testosterone by getting all the young, landless men and sort of... shooing them away for a while. This is a great article on it, nicely summed up by Vox Hiberionacum as, "Finnian Cycle: Early Medieval Irish preventative measure against male testosterone." Great stuff, the Fianna bands are a really... interesting cultural thing. There is a description of a similar institution of the Italian Gauls with descriptions of rampant homosexual activities which I find interesting...
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