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  • Watcher
    replied to Scion 2.0 Project - Enech
    Alrighty! Sorry about the delay, I had a bit of a medical problem but now I'm back on my feet able to ramble about this stuff.

    Okay, so. The status of women in pre-Christian Ireland is really complicated, as we don't strictly have anything purely from the period itself. Sort of the problem we always have. The Brehon Laws are one of the more trusted sources, but even they are not recorded until after the Christianization process has already been more-or-less finished. We do know that the Celts were not a Super Feminist, Peace-Loving, Nature-Worshiping, Classless Society as was the...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Suggested resources for mythology
    If you are looking for a solid starting place for the source stories Lex, see if you can get your hands on The Mabinogion from Oxford World's Classics. It has the Mabinogion in it as one might expect from the name, but it also has a collection of early Arthurian legend. The earlier Arthurian bits, before the medieval period runs off and Lancelot/Tristan becomes the darling of medieval literature, is tied into the scraps of Welsh mythology we have left.

    If you can't get your hands on the book, the names of the legends inside that probably would interest you the most are Peredur son...
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  • If you are using the Scion 2.0 rules, you can check out the section on Hazards. Hazards can represent anything from a raging fire, to an injected toxin, to holding an object that is ripping the soul out of you.

    You will want to work with your Storyteller to work out the exact mechanics of conotoxin using the Hazard system, and then work out how many Dots it will cost to have that as a permanent feature of the weapon. I can see it potentially being exceptionally powerful, sort of like an extra attack, but I think it can be balanced out rather well. My big suggestion is to keep the...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Animal Purview (Ape)= Human?
    I would potentially allow a Scion intentionally pushing to build that sort of thing into their personal Legend to use Animal (Apes) to influence humans. However, that comes with two caveats. Firstly, just like Lula mentioned, I'd allow it to fiddle with the animal side of humans as long as it didn't start messing with other Purviews areas. Secondly, I wouldn't allow just anyone to use the Animal Purview to do this.

    Purviews don't deal with the scientific, exact thing. They are a bit more conceptual than that, and can get very culture-specific. The best example of this I think is darkness....
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    Last edited by Watcher; 08-08-2017, 06:31 PM.

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  • Everyone can run their games how they want, the variance is what makes Scion a really fun game! Gods can change, they stagnate, they can be present, withdrawn, on an individual level, on a Pan-Pantheon level. It's cool, people can play the game how they want to, there is no right way to play. It's whatever an individual Storyteller or Game Table wants. And, we have strayed a bit from the conversation about the influencing of Politics, I think Manannansun's question was about the method, not the function, it's a neat question. I'd love to know what people do at their tables in this regard.
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  • As everyone here has discussed, this sort of thing is predicated on the exact sort of world an individual Storyteller is running their games in. It's sort of a crossroads between two big choices Scion Storytellers normally make when running their games. Did the Pantheons Withdraw, and Did the Pantheons Modernize? Any combination of these, with any number if small detailed changes can make for fun games. Withdrawn Pantheons, but Modernized. Present Pantheons, but Stuck in their Ways. Or even something like breaking down the questions to specific Pantheons. Modernized Present Netjer, Withdrawn Archaic...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Manannan mac Lir Purviews?
    Sure Kyman, I can put my two cents in here.

    Lir is mentioned as being a Fomori here, which is something that I have not heard of before. It could entirely just be something for the Scion-verse, but if it’s not, I’d love to know where it’s from. I have not seen Lir identified as being Fomori in any of the texts I have read, and he is a... lovely man really. I have a very big soft spot for Lir, he is at the center of one of the more human tragedies to befall a Divine Entity in Irish Mythology. He longs for his children, loving them with all his heart, but unable to save them...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Scion 2.0 Project
    I can't say for sure, not without seeing the rules for the community content, and with that information having a conversation about it. I don't really want to say any more than that just in case it gives the wrong idea somewhere, but we have already discussed the vague idea, and there is no schism or anything. When those rules are in the community's hands, we will have a more in depth conversation amongst ourselves about it....
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  • Watcher
    replied to Scion 2.0 Project
    I have actually just finished my degree, graduated last month. I was all ready to sit down and grind away at the Manchu, but then I managed to net a summer job doing historical writing, so that's put the brakes on again. My undergrad is in history, no official focus, but I specifically chose classes that would help me with my MA in Celtic Studies. I spent most of my undergrad looking at Christianization attempts, both the successes and failures, as well as medieval European Christianity, and courses on early Ireland....
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  • Watcher
    replied to Scion 2.0 Project
    The Animal Purview is actually complete, it was either the first or second Purview to be totally translated over. Is there anything you are looking for in an Animal Purview revision that it doesn't have? I could talk to Iry about it later today if it is.

    For emotional manipulation, that is broken up across various Purviews and Epic Attributes. Darkness and Negative Epic Appearance have some Fear and Terror elements. Sun, and Charisma have overwhelming Hope and Adoration in there. Fire has some 'Supercharged Emotion' powers. Epic Manipulation and Epic Charisma are the 'core' pieces...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Looking for Ogam Write-Ups, Can Anyone Help?
    When I was writing that post I was mulling over some of the literary and folkloric mentions of burials I know of. One of the versions of the Tain starts with the Bardic apprentices going by and 'waking up' either Conall Cernach, or Fergus mac Roich to tell the story of the Cattle Raid of Cooley as well. (I can't exactly remember which of those two it was, and all of my books are currently shoved in boxes in preparation for a move) What I would say about Abhartach specifically is that the story was recorded very late, 19th century, so that sort of raises a host of issues. If the story is archaic,...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Looking for Ogam Write-Ups, Can Anyone Help?
    Ah, Ogham. I love Ogham, not really for it's functionality, it's sort of terrible at it's job. The fact it's not very good at it's job, being an alphabet, is what is so interesting. Lots of work have gone into that, it is sort of adorably cludgy as a development. I think the running theory in academia at the moment is that it is an adaption of the Latin alphabet, sort of like a different set of letters, which is why it is so brutally dodgy for writing in Old Irish. I don't know how popular the 'sign language' theory is (that it could have been put together as a sign language initially since the...
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    Last edited by Watcher; 07-30-2017, 01:13 AM.

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  • Watcher
    replied to Cyber Powers?
    Oh, right, the Netjer! I didn't put my bit on them. I actually love the Netjer for computers, they are the Pantheon I normally run with 'getting' things a bit more. Especially Djehuti. The way it has been presented in games I have played in before is the Nejter 'get' the idea of putting a collection of structural, systematic commands together for a result from a system. The Netjer more often deal with reality itself than computers, but they feel like they can move their cosmological concepts pretty easily.

    Djehuti, with his writing, and especially his connections to the ancient Egyptian...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Cyber Powers?
    What sort of powers are you looking for out of curiosity? There are some really awesome hacking Knacks in RAW, but they tend to get missed since they're not actually explained as being hacking or even technology based Knacks. From RAW, Math Genius and Cypher are amazing for being a hacker. In fact, just having those Knacks essentially lets you blow your way through all mortal security systems with almost zero effort. You can break any code in seconds, for no cost. The FBI, CIA, CSIS, everyone. Every mortal computer system you can break into at Legend 2 with one Epic Intelligence Knack. Mortal-built...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Pregnancy Knacks for Goddess of Maternity
    I'm assuming this is an Epic Appearance Knack as it has to do with one's appearance, yes? The Knack's effect is rather narrow, a very, very niche power, but that is somewhat to be expected for these Knacks. Probably a cost of 1 Legend to put it on the same level as Detail Variation as well. I don't know how often it would come up, but if it is something a player really wanted, I would let them. Anyone with the God template is technically already able to do this when creating their avatar IIRC, but that's a problem that exists with all of the appearance shifting powers in RAW.

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    Last edited by Watcher; 07-25-2017, 07:54 PM.

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  • That's not a bad idea for a campaign! There are ways to expand it past the Tuatha as well, especially including some of the new methods of being a Scion Neall as eluded to. There are a whole set of "Kidnapper Entities," which an entire Band could be composed of, either the 'Replacements,' or the 'Captives,' for sure.
    The Tuatha de Danann have the normal Sidhe Captives and Changelings. Lots of possible player options there between Captives and Changelings. For the Captives there are actually some options for Chronological Distortion as well, though the time dilation in the Irish Otherworlds
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  • Oh no, don't worry about it! I am happy to help in whatever way I can. I just happen to know a lot about a very narrow subject line. You don't need to start thinking before you post or anything, it's absolutely okay, don't worry about that sort of thing at all!...
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  • Hm... I wouldn't say so, not exactly. But, what you do in your own games is up to you of course! From what I do know of Otherkin, which I will admit is not much, the Tuatha are not the best fit for them. From what I know of Otherkin, the Deva seem like the best fit by leaps and bounds.

    So, right. For the details of why I don't believe Tuatha-reincarnation to be a method to create Changelings. From what we have been able to reconstruct through the literary evidence, the pre-Christian Irish notion of a 'soul' is incredibly corporeal. You are your body, your body is you. Your body might...
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  • Changelings come up often in my games, or games I have played in. There is a lot of room to do a plethora of things with the concept. Off the top of my head, I can think of three different ways I have handled them.

    The Tuatha are slavers, ancient Ireland had a sort-of-complicated slave system, with the general concept being that slaves were people you captured on raids to neighboring areas. Historically, this would be things like various Irish kingdoms raiding each other, the Welsh, etc. The mortal children captured by the Tuatha, the Sidhe, and the Fomori are all going to have a...
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    Last edited by Watcher; 07-24-2017, 04:02 PM.

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  • Watcher
    replied to Advice on a storyhook
    Humanity tends to get the shortest end of the stick in Greek mythology, the current version of humanity (Age of Iron) are unrelated to Gaia IIRC, but don't let that stop you if you're really feelin' that sort of angle to go with! There are some options I can think of here and there though. If you are specifically looking for Greek 'Titanspawn,' then I can suggest some things. Satyr are always a good option for social breakdown such as this sort of situation. In theory Gaia could have a special purpose-born creature to stir up trouble as she did with Typhon to attempt to overthrow Zeus, but that...
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