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  • Watcher
    replied to Neo Versions
    I wrote up a whole post about this, but I actually realized I might be misunderstanding something. When you say that by retelling these stories they are 'Neo' in the sense that they are simply new, or 'Neo' in the sense of 'Neo-Paganism'? I realized the differentiation between those might be a tad confusing, but Neo-Paganism is more than simply being modern versions of those religions, they are revivals, reconstructions, and recontextualizations, not simply 'new' ones. (In fact, some Neo-Pagans do not like the suggestion that they are 'New' in any way, their belief being that they are 100% accurately...
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  • Watcher
    replied to "Ultimate" Deity List (WIP)
    At the moment, I have done work on the Hittites, the Ashanti, the Haida, and Sacerdos is playing with the Manchu. All four of them should be a lot of fun for all of you hopefully! We are intentionally trying to expand in regions or topics that Scion has traditionally not touched on. The Hittites are possibly the most 'antagonistic to humanity' Pantheon and thus should present fun stories for their Scions trying to mediate the relationship. (Not counting the Irish since, while they don't like their mortals, the Irish can't really do anything about it, while the Hittites frequently bring humanity...
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  • Watcher
    replied to "Ultimate" Deity List (WIP)
    I have an entire Pantheon list for the Sgā’na Qeda’s, the Haida Pantheon. Just worked on it today, they should be capable of being represented in Scion without any changes or anything, they should be good at the end!

    The figure that frequently gets simply called Raven is normally named Xhuuya, NAñkî’lsLas, Wī’gît, The One Of Whom We Speak, and others. Xhuuya is a good 'core' name for him, the extra names are a reflection of Haida culture having a slightly different naming system than you might encounter in some other cultures.

    Ta’ñgwan lā’na is the...
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    Last edited by Watcher; 06-19-2017, 09:21 PM.

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  • Watcher
    replied to Other African pantheons?
    Oh, thank so you much! I am so glad you enjoy reading it! I love genuinely knowing that people have fun reading all of what I put together. It makes it all worth it to know that people like to hear what I have dug up along with Sacerdos!...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Norse and Nerves
    Hey Simison, no worries, don't be hard on yourself about calling a game due to education stuff. School first is one of the main rules in our groups. It's good you want to finish things up though!

    You could totally do some individual sessions with the pair of them, but, if the scheduling can't work out, you could also sit down with the players shortly before game and just go over things in rough detail with them. Totally bump their exp up to the same as the rest of the group though, having stuff like that not balanced across characters can be tricky for you as the ST as well as be...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Other African pantheons?
    I can remember Gotham By Night talking about how Anansi was the only real viable figure within the Ashanti religious system, which at first was my concern when looking into their traditional religious system. When Sacerdos and I realized that there were a whole host of Deities, though admittedly most of whom are incredibly minor or localized, it suddenly appeared to be totally viable as a Pantheon. There are four figures who are undoubtedly possible Divine Parents of enough note to be considered 'Major Divinities' (I don't say Deities or Gods here since technically only one of them is a God, and...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Other African pantheons?
    I have never heard of the cabildos, those sound quite interesting! My propensity for ancient history reveals itself once again. Do you have any suggestions for journal articles or books to look into on that topic of permissive syncretism in this context? It's sort of become my pet topic. Sidhe being folded into popular religion's view of Christian cosmology in the early modern period in Ireland. The honestly impressively badly done Christianization of the rural Andes resulting in animal sacrifices to saints and various Christian and local Inca/Pre-Inca Divinities being folded into the same group...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Other African pantheons?
    That is absolutely fascinating, I hadn't considered the differences between Protestantism and Catholithism in that situation. Thinking about it now, I know very little of Protestant interaction with non-Abrahamic faiths, I had never really considered that they would be more evangelizing, but now that I think about it, it makes absolute sense. The colonial period areas I have had experience with are the Wyandot, Haida, and Inca, all of which were interacted with mainly with Jesuits which has probably flavored my understanding quite a bit. I should look into that, I am desperately interested in...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Other African pantheons?
    Oh, Lula! I actually have a question for you since you are educated on the topic of the trans-Atlantic transfer of the West African religious traditions. Do we know why the Abosom were not transferred on a scale similar to some of the other West African Pantheons? There is a folkloric presence of Anansi in Jamaica along with Owu (Brer Dead) and Osebo (Brer Tiger/Lion), but we don't see Nyame, Tano, Asase Ya or really a continuation of the religious traditions.

    My initial thought was that it could have something to do with the more... geographically static nature of some of the Ashanti...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Other African pantheons?
    Well, they have a few systems that could be viable for a PsP for the Abosom. They do have Divine Possession, but not in any way that makes it stand out. A lot of Pantheons have Divine Possession, it's very commonplace, the Orisha, the Abosom, the Kami, and the Sgā’na Qeda’s (Haida) all have it in their cosmologies. I would probably only want to represent as a PsP if it was particularly core to their identity, which for the Abosom it isn't entirely.

    A relatively unique, and really important cosmological idea they do have though is Abosom residing within man-made objects for various...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Other African pantheons?
    The Ashanti Pantheon, the Abosom, are a really interesting West-African Pantheon. The world at large probably knows about them through Anansi, but probably don't know much about them beyond the story telling Spider. Myself and Sacerdos have actually worked at writing a Pantheon for themselves which we find entirely viable. We have done research on them, done some heavy outlining, and got some rough drafts hammered out to represent them as a Pantheon actually, and it appears that it will be entirely viable. We are going to wait for Scion Second Edition to come out so we can give them to the community...
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    Last edited by Watcher; 06-04-2017, 05:41 PM. Reason: I'm bad at words

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  • Watcher
    replied to Mythological Disagreements
    Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what you mean Ostarion. I mean, are you trying to talk about the legitimacy of various historical texts? If that's the case, I'm sure Sacerdos and I can talk about the validity of primary sources and the methods in which Historians track various changes over time and notice alterations made to texts. Like, do you want us to explain the Historiography of these things? It's kind of dry, but if you want? I think you are misunderstanding the idea of history here and there.

    Do you just mean that you wanted to see a larger impact on the world by the Netjer? The...
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    Last edited by Watcher; 06-03-2017, 08:55 PM.

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  • RAW Scion 1e is really, really broken. Overt Order and Serpent's Gaze being the very top of the iceberg. Stacking Animal Aspect buffed Do Not Want with RAW Untouchable Opponent leaves your DDV so high it is impossible to hit without looping Animal Aspect to buff Animal Aspect.

    Screwing the rules and changing everything is pretty common, with various ST's screwing the rules to different degrees. For this problem you are seeing here, the most common fix is instituting something like a Mental DV, normally based on Wits or Intelligence. If you are looking for a full collection of such...
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  • Ah, okay! Well, I can give some more suggestions in that case.
    • Scion of Nike: Minor Goddess, since it is for an NPC you don't need to come up with a statline of favored things for her. Play off the idea of Victory at Any Cost, and instead of being smart they could instead be preternaturally lucky. They, as a child of Success incarnate, are just going wild with their capacity to pull things off they have no right to. This will, in the end, be Fated to come crashing down upon their heads as the Theoi do not regard uppity Scions highly, and the Fates of such Grecian Heroes tend to be tragic. They
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  • The only Divine Parent that leaps to mind between the Theoi and the Kami is Izanami if you are looking for someone who is 'close' to their Divine Parent in concept. In my revision of the Kami, I made Izanami a Titan since she is a) horribly antagonistic to Gods and Mortals b) got put in a box, and c) old and powerful, but in RAW she is listed as one of the potential Divine Parents. If you are playing from RAW, she is not a bad option for Divine Parent for this Scion.

    Izanami and Izanagi are caught in this back and forth of Izanami killing off mortals, and Izanagi causing more mortals...
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  • I don't know very much about Overly Sarcastic Productions, but this is not entirely true. There is actually exceptionally little what I would call demonizing of the local pre-Christian entities with the arrival of Christianity in Ireland according to all sources we have remaining of the period. There are even incredibly heretical phases where it is suggested that there are gods who are lesser divinities compared to God. The only solid instance of outright potential demonizing of local entities would be in the figure of Crom Cruach, but there is a very good argument that the entire scene is not...
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    Last edited by Watcher; 05-30-2017, 03:50 PM.

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  • Watcher
    replied to Suggested resources for mythology
    Oh, I am absolutely happy to help! I love being able to share the weird little tidbits of world mythology with people....
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  • Watcher
    replied to Suggested resources for mythology
    Sacerdos will be able to explain in more detail, but yeah, 1e was not being accurate there. If I remember my conversations with Sacerdos when doing preliminary examinations of the Shen for a revision, there were some rather obscure medieval period theologens who suggested that Guan Yu might be the next Jade Emperor, but that theological branch was not traditional, and didn't have any real staying power IIRC.

    The Jade Emperor is most certainly himself an independent being. Exceptionally old, exceptionally powerful. Sort of on the same tier with the Greek Primordials.

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  • Watcher
    replied to Suggested resources for mythology
    Nope, but, that confusion is entirely understandable! Griff would be able to explain to you in more detail, but essentially Tonatiuh is the Fifth Sun, and Huitzipochtli carries (I believe, he might just walk with it) the Fifth Sun through the sky.

    After the end of the Fourth Sun, the Teotl gathered in Teotihuacan, planning the creation of The Fifth Sun. Tecuciztecatl said that he would be the Fifth Sun, and the Teotl all agreed with this, sending Nanahuatzin to go with him. When the whole ritual situation was organized, and it was time for Tecuciztecatl hesitated to jump into the...
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  • Watcher
    replied to Advice on a antagonist idea
    Depending on if you are talking about First or Second Edition is fairly important as Atamajakki mentioned. In Second Edition, a Titan does not necessarily want to cause anything bad just due to being a Titan any more than particularly antagonistic Deities do. However, since the premise you mention here makes more sense in First Edition, I'll give advice based on that! If you want advice for Second Edition, we could try to give you some advice, but at best it would be a lot of guesswork.

    For First Edition, the first thing you want to figure out is what the goal of this Titan is, and...
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